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Homemade hard drives may soon be banned.
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17. October 2009 @ 15:03 |
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No.
No one ever mentioned the dvd key.
Referring to the console itself would mean the actual key on the motherboard, which actually can be changed but is a huge pain and can't be done with all consoles, which is why I mentioned wouldn't it be nice to have an algorithm instead of the current process.
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Donaldo
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17. October 2009 @ 15:11 |
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hrmm.. well this affects me . .. i just loaded the hddss.bin... one from a 120gb i'm sure a lot of people use...
right at the start of the file theres some alpha/numeric chars... i'm pretty sure those correspond to the serial it writes to the drive...
would be pretty easy to switch those around so they are different than everyone elses... just depends if msoft is integrity checking or just looking for the most commonly used hddss.bin serials...
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WJ99
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17. October 2009 @ 15:20 |
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This is going to affect a HELL of a lot of people that will only find out once the update is already applied.
I'm sure a lot of people bought their 120GB drives off eBay, to save a bit of cost, and find they
a) cannot sign into Live
b) cannot load their game saves.
c) cannot load any music stored on their drives.
d) cannot play any games of their HDD (causing a lot more RRODs)
Hope i don't get told off for this but
"The shits gonna hit the fan y'all!"
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qwert99
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17. October 2009 @ 15:20 |
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Originally posted by bhetrick:
No.
No one ever mentioned the dvd key.
Referring to the console itself would mean the actual key on the motherboard, which actually can be changed but is a huge pain and can't be done with all consoles, which is why I mentioned wouldn't it be nice to have an algorithm instead of the current process.
How would finding the algorithm for that key (which is the same as, or at least corresponds to, the DVD key, AFAIK) make it any easier to change the key on the motherboard? You'd still have to go through the current process. All the algorithm would do is give you a new, seemingly legit, key. It wouldn't patch your drive or your motherboard for you.
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WJ99
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17. October 2009 @ 15:22 |
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Originally posted by qwert99:
Originally posted by bhetrick:
No.
No one ever mentioned the dvd key.
Referring to the console itself would mean the actual key on the motherboard, which actually can be changed but is a huge pain and can't be done with all consoles, which is why I mentioned wouldn't it be nice to have an algorithm instead of the current process.
How would finding the algorithm for that key (which is the same as, or at least corresponds to, the DVD key, AFAIK) make it any easier to change the key on the motherboard? You'd still have to go through the current process. All the algorithm would do is give you a new, seemingly legit, key. It wouldn't patch your drive or your motherboard for you.
ahhh my headache!
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qwert99
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17. October 2009 @ 15:23 |
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Originally posted by Donaldo:
hrmm.. well this affects me . .. i just loaded the hddss.bin... one from a 120gb i'm sure a lot of people use...
right at the start of the file theres some alpha/numeric chars... i'm pretty sure those correspond to the serial it writes to the drive...
would be pretty easy to switch those around so they are different than everyone elses... just depends if msoft is integrity checking or just looking for the most commonly used hddss.bin serials...
Yeah, that is what I am thinking as well. I am just saying that if we could crack the SS algorithm that MS uses then we could make every HDD SS completely unique and impossible to detect unless MS compares those generated SS values against an actual database of every single legit SS ever married to a HDD.
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17. October 2009 @ 15:39 |
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Originally posted by qwert99:
Originally posted by bhetrick:
No.
No one ever mentioned the dvd key.
Referring to the console itself would mean the actual key on the motherboard, which actually can be changed but is a huge pain and can't be done with all consoles, which is why I mentioned wouldn't it be nice to have an algorithm instead of the current process.
How would finding the algorithm for that key (which is the same as, or at least corresponds to, the DVD key, AFAIK) make it any easier to change the key on the motherboard? You'd still have to go through the current process. All the algorithm would do is give you a new, seemingly legit, key. It wouldn't patch your drive or your motherboard for you.
OMG qwert... you're killing me :)
This is all out there in the land of "What If" and "Wouldn't It Be Nice". That's all I'm talking about.
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17. October 2009 @ 16:46 |
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when is this update suppose to hit
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WJ99
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17. October 2009 @ 16:48 |
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Originally posted by SATTNINJA:
when is this update suppose to hit
For UK, in a week i believe.
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17. October 2009 @ 16:49 |
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man this really suxxx i just got my 120 gb hard drive i oredered from ebay today and it works fine for now my question is i still have my 20 gb i want to backup my game saves to that one but i dont see how the only option i see is to move files not copy i do have a 2 gb datel memory unit but i cant see how to copy the stuff from the hard drive to the mem card to the other hard drive
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18. October 2009 @ 15:38 |
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well when i signed in last night there was anupdate so i installed it and my hard drive is still working fine
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WJ99
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18. October 2009 @ 15:58 |
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Originally posted by SATTNINJA:
well when i signed in last night there was anupdate so i installed it and my hard drive is still working fine
This is after the Sky/Facebook/Twitter update
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jpizzle
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18. October 2009 @ 17:49 |
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18. October 2009 @ 18:53 |
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thank god good news
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scorpNZ
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18. October 2009 @ 20:14 |
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Originally posted by SATTNINJA:
man this really suxxx i just got my 120 gb hard drive i oredered from ebay today and it works fine for now my question is i still have my 20 gb i want to backup my game saves to that one but i dont see how the only option i see is to move files not copy i do have a 2 gb datel memory unit but i cant see how to copy the stuff from the hard drive to the mem card to the other hard drive
There's a nifty tool called minispy by talisman if you ever need to transfer files from one hdd to another without opening the 360 hdd case,it works real choice
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19. October 2009 @ 10:46 |
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Originally posted by jpizzle:
Quote from http://www.techflash.com/seattle/2009/10...mory_units.html
"A Microsoft spokesman confirmed this morning via email that this particular move is targeted at memory units that plug into the front of the console, not unauthorized hard drives."
thanks NDarkness for the link
I'm not saying this is BS or not, but come on... MS confirming their not going to ban unauthorized hard drives?
That would be the same as MS confirming they're not going to ban modded consoles because their detection methods are not 100%.
That makes no sence at all.
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jpizzle
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19. October 2009 @ 11:38 |
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Originally posted by bhetrick:
Originally posted by jpizzle:
Quote from http://www.techflash.com/seattle/2009/10...mory_units.html
"A Microsoft spokesman confirmed this morning via email that this particular move is targeted at memory units that plug into the front of the console, not unauthorized hard drives."
thanks NDarkness for the link
I'm not saying this is BS or not, but come on... MS confirming their not going to ban unauthorized hard drives?
That would be the same as MS confirming they're not going to ban modded consoles because their detection methods are not 100%.
That makes no sence at all.
I completely agree with you, I just thought i would put it out there
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qwert99
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19. October 2009 @ 11:47 |
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Has a console company ever before overstepped its boundaries this far? Going so far as to make 3rd party products for their system not work at all... it's ridiculous. As far back as I can remember, I can recall 3rd party developers coming out with products for every system. Of course I would rarely buy those, as the official products were usually of a much higher quality. Seems to me like MS doesn't want to compete on price or quality, like their 'uncivilized' fair market competitors, so they will just monopolize, err 'civilize', the market to get their unrealistic profit margins squeezed out of the already tight market.
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19. October 2009 @ 11:48 |
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I mean sure, it would be nice if the hard drives weren't affected. But I'd imagine that if there were any validity to the story then more sites would have picked up on it.
Good link though, jpizzle. That'll help add to the mounding "OMG... what's going to happen" hysteria. :)
This is going to be an interesting 3~4 weeks.
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19. October 2009 @ 11:56 |
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Originally posted by qwert99:
Has a console company ever before overstepped its boundaries this far? Going so far as to make 3rd party products for their system not work at all... it's ridiculous. As far back as I can remember, I can recall 3rd party developers coming out with products for every system. Of course I would rarely buy those, as the official products were usually of a much higher quality. Seems to me like MS doesn't want to compete on price or quality, like their 'uncivilized' fair market competitors, so they will just monopolize, err 'civilize', the market to get their unrealistic profit margins squeezed out of the already tight market.
Title from Nelson's site:
Quote:
Don?t use unauthorized Xbox 360 Storage Devices
Key word being "unauthorized".
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qwert99
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19. October 2009 @ 12:15 |
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The devices may be unauthorized, but there have been unauthorized devices on consoles since there have been consoles. Companies have dealt with this in the past by attacking the manufacturing/importing arm of the company itself rather than the end consumers who have no idea which 3rd party device is authorized or unauthorized.
This is the first time in history, as far as I am aware, that a console company will purposefully disable a 3rd party device that the console company's customer paid good money for.
I imagine that in the age of the internet it is harder to play the whack-a-mole game with distributors and manufacturers, but the point remains. It could also be argued that any company that had the power to do this in the past may well have done it, but the point remains.
Really, the whole idea of having to pay licensing fees to MS for developing a device to work on the console in the first place is an insult. This is the same reason my Rock Band set is wired, and not wireless. It's the same reason that I can't use a USB flash drive as a memory card, or any old laptop hard drive in my 360.
PS3, in all of your open standards glory, how I long for thee to be cracked!
PS - the memory card/hard drive thing will not affect me in any way. It's just the principle of the matter that irks me.
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19. October 2009 @ 17:19 |
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Originally posted by qwert99:
It's just the principle of the matter that irks me.
Amen.
Yeah, off the top of my head I can't think of any past attempts to disable unauth. products at the users end either. Of course, now that the console mfg's have plenty of experience under their belts, they've wised up.
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qwert99
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19. October 2009 @ 19:18 |
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Yeah, it's the ability to do on-the-fly updates to the systems that have enabled console manufacturers to do this. For all of the freedom we thought the internet would bring to consoles, it sure is bringing a lot of slavery to manufacturers as well.
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Gnawnivek
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23. October 2009 @ 18:22 |
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So we'll find out in a week? I don't have a modded hdd, i'm just subscribing to this thread for some info...
Peace!
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qwert99
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23. October 2009 @ 18:43 |
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As of now we already found out that there was not a ban on 'hacked' hard drives, but so far only on Datel brand memory cards. These memory cards no longer work with the 360, much to the dismay, I am sure, of their owners.
However, this may be just a first step in the process. Nobody knows what is coming next. I personally won't be upgrading my hard drive to a 'hacked' one any time soon, although it is a great upgrade.
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