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Microsoft update will lock out unlicensed Xbox 360 storage devices
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article published on 20 October, 2009
Microsoft has made a new move today that will likely anger many current Xbox 360 users; locking out unlicensed storage devices that are not sold by the software giant.
"When Preview Program members start receiving the Xbox 360 system update next week, one of the changes is that unauthorized memory units will no longer work with the Xbox 360," writes Xbox Live's Larry Hryb, via MajorNelson.
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20. October 2009 @ 20:36 |
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20. October 2009 @ 20:40 |
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Originally posted by scorpNZ:
Don't know what you lot are complaining about pricing for it's not as tho you live downunder,on average we pay 2-1/2 times what you'd pay,we're so used to getting shafted we all walk around hunched back *evil smiley*
Dose not mean those in the US would not want them to rise prices by 20% and set that as the world wide price.
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21. October 2009 @ 05:09 |
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Originally posted by scorpNZ:
Don't know what you lot are complaining about pricing for it's not as tho you live downunder,on average we pay 2-1/2 times what you'd pay,we're so used to getting shafted we all walk around hunched back *evil smiley*
I know, it's so stupid. Before the price cut, the elite cost $399 usd in America, in Australia it cost %549 aud... that's about $500 usd, really stupid price differences.
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21. October 2009 @ 08:01 |
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this stinks of anti competitive practices...
I rarely comment on games consoles but your comment is exactly how i felt when i read the article. It's not even as if it's a modchip or similar, it's a damn memory card!. Greed is the only other thing that comes to mind.
The problem is that this isn't anything close to anti-competitive behavior. Microsoft isn't the only game in town and consumers have a choice of the competitor's systems (Sony or Nintendo) if the consumer does not like Microsoft's lockout policies. I myself find this decision by Microsoft upsetting BUT Microsoft will be punished by the consumer by reduced sales IF the consumer sees this as a big enough problem. On top of that, if consumers don't like the infamous "greed" of Microsoft then those consumers need to stop buying Microsoft gaming products. Many gamers talk a lot of trash about Microsoft, Sony, and Nintendo but that hate sure doesn't show in their sales numbers.
its anti competitive because they are limiting the choices on their platform and adding confusion for the consumer.
That doesn't make it an anti-competitive practice. There are plenty of examples where companies deliberately limit your choice. It's a standard business practice. If you can only buy an iPhone on one carrier, your choice is being limited. If your printer only takes chipped cartridges to stop you buying cheap ones, your choice is limited. If you can only play songs downloaded from iTunes on an iPod, your choice of which MP3 player to buy is being limited (I know it's not like that now, but it was). Of course, when MS do it, they're "greedy" and should be sued. lol. It may be shitty and it may be a bit late in the day to do this, but anti-competitive it is not.
Yeah well when you by an iPhone or printer or download iTunes or whatever, you know what you are getting into. You already know that you can't do A, B or C. This move by MS strips away something from the customer that was there when purchased. Who knows, maybe some people purchased a couple of $30 memory cards. Now they have to spend more money for something significantly smaller. And on top of that, they may lose all of their data if they are not careful. It's ridiculous when a company can reach into your living room and take things from you. And that goes for all Companies and their hackware updates. It's one thing to improve with a firmware update. It becomes hackware when you strip something away. This thing stinks of anti-competitive and anti-consumer. All 360 customers should get a $30 refund just on principle. If you bought a console and it performs a certain way, and then the Company strips away a feature from it, it's de-valued. Unfortunately the TOU or EULA or whatever is cleverly worded so that there is no say. It sucks to spend $400 on a machine that I'm merely renting.
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21. October 2009 @ 10:40 |
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Just because Apple does something, that does not make it legitimate. Apple has done plenty of wrong over the years. So has microsoft, and sony as well. All sides have done plenty to proove that they care far more about grabbing a quick buck than taking care of their customers. This is hardly suprising at this point, and things will only get worse from here. Thankfully, my PS3 does not use memory cards (unless you count USB flash)...so at least there is no fear of Sony locking them out.
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21. October 2009 @ 12:57 |
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Originally posted by emugamer:
Yeah well when you by an iPhone or printer or download iTunes or whatever, you know what you are getting into. You already know that you can't do A, B or C. This move by MS strips away something from the customer that was there when purchased.
Exactly, the issue here is that they are taking away something that you have already paid for.
Wrong move MS, and they should inform their customers through XBL, with red Big Bold text.
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21. October 2009 @ 20:39 |
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Yes its anti-competitive. How is this different than sony's psp go, and the downloadable games only available through sony? You can't even sell or trade your downloads as far as I know.
Yes I know this an article about microsoft, but all corporations are doing this now. Either we choose to buy, or not buy. If we choose to buy, then all the b*tching in the world isn't going to change what they do.
If your fish seems sick, put it back in the water.
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22. October 2009 @ 03:50 |
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Mummy and Daddy foot the bill for this overpriced stuff.
Who cares what Microsoft does?
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22. October 2009 @ 07:15 |
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Piracy issues are one thing. But THIS is BS. I'll remember this the next time I shop for a console and I don't even have any 3rd party storage devices in my 360.
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22. October 2009 @ 07:36 |
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Uao I just thought to subscribe to XBOX live...after this news will delay it or never subscribe in first place.
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22. October 2009 @ 08:29 |
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I wander if this only affects people who use memory card, or if microsoft also intend todo the same with external USB harddrives. I have toyed with the idea of gettgina USB hard drive to put mp3 music on. As the 360 only allows ripping of original audio CD's to its harddrive!
p.s the 360 music program is crap, and really needs more development to make it on par with thier windows Media player
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22. October 2009 @ 08:33 |
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Originally posted by 21Q:
So wait, will this stop custom hdd's from working?
This is what I want to know too. The info seems vague on this.
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22. October 2009 @ 08:41 |
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funksoulb, how can you say this is not anti-competitive? Just because Apple and others are doing it. I guuess thousands of hackers are working on a sloution.
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22. October 2009 @ 09:53 |
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So wait, will this stop custom hdd's from working?
This is what I want to know too. The info seems vague on this.
Same here, the article is not very clear... I want to make my Xbox's hdd bigger, but not paying that ridiculous price for it. If the custom hdd is no good (lock out), then it's pointless.
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22. October 2009 @ 12:10 |
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Originally posted by llongtheD:
Yes its anti-competitive. How is this different than sony's psp go, and the downloadable games only available through sony?
It's different because when you buy a new PSP Go, you already know what the restrictions are. This is a case of MS taking away functionality from a product that you already purchased. You may have bought a 360 2 years ago, you purchased devices that would work with the 360, and then MS decides to change your device on you so that you can't use your external hardware anymore and are forced to buy from them. Whether you care or not, they've raped your console.
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22. October 2009 @ 12:18 |
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On a similar note, General Motors and Ford are making it mandatory that all V8 and V6 engines installed in their customer's cars be removed and 1400 cc 4 cylinder replacement engines be installed in their place. A small charge of $3,200.00 per change over will be levied. If another vendor is used for the change over or an owner fails to comply with the change over, the vehicle will be made inoperable. This is non-negotiable and is required if the owner wishes to go on operating the vehicle...
[Makes about the same amount of sense as the Microsoft move..]
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22. October 2009 @ 21:22 |
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This is Idiocy, i cant even use my external hdd at this point now things are getting worse whats next taking away the ability to go wireless with our laptop instead of their wireless adapter or even making us buy a custom xbox only wireless router or even locking us out of our own networks so we cant stream music or video from our computers. i already have issues with that since there are no codecs available for most formats on te 360 thats what they should be working on updating there software to benefit the user not taking from us, never again will i buy a console from them i may even switch my computer over to Linux-Ubuntu
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23. October 2009 @ 02:16 |
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yeah i've never had to use a memory card with the 360 but this is just plain ridiculous, it's just like when EA bought out the football license back in 07 cause madden is 60 bucks and 2k7 was outselling madden 3 to 1 and it was only 20 bucks. remember that? knocking 3rd parties out of the game means monopolyyyyyyyy back at it bill gates...no good very bogus of microsoft who also doesn't allow for any good free game content on xbox live
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23. October 2009 @ 15:57 |
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It's reasons like this that I haven't bought any games for the 360 or have even turned it on in over 6 months. I typically only read these articles without ever leaving any comments, but these big companies like Microsoft are so blinded by greed it so frustrating & ridiculous that it's hard not to want to comment. Yes, I can understand locking out modders for many reasons as has been previously mentioned, but non Microsoft memory chips. I mean c'mon on, Microsoft, what BS! What greedy thing will you lock out next time on a future update?
Gamers do I have a choice, but for many of the same reasons or others those choices can be limited depending on what your reasons are to wanting to buy that paticular console in the first place. I was going to make the switch to the PS3 this last summer since I wanted it for Gaming & mostly Blu-Ray reasons, but I chose to build a Home Media PC with a Blu-Ray drive instead and couldn't be happier. I now only focus on PC games as my 360 collects dust & haven't looked back since. Plus, these Multi-Billion Dollar Gaming Console Industries can suck it!
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23. October 2009 @ 23:06 |
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Typical Microsoft Crap - "Buy my higher priced, under-performing devise or We Will Hurt You!"
I am one of the old guys that waited for price to come down and trying to decide if my X-Mas present would be an X-Box or Play Station. This latest bit of user unfriendliness probably just made up my mind.
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24. October 2009 @ 02:41 |
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@warlocks
And sony is so consumer friendly? Either one of these corporations will try and squeeze every nickel out of you.
How many people use these memory devices if they have an xbox with a hard drive any way, I've never needed one.
I do agree its another fleecing tactic to take away support however.
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Originally posted by llongtheD:
@warlocks
And sony is so consumer friendly? Either one of these corporations will try and squeeze every nickel out of you.
How many people use these memory devices if they have an xbox with a hard drive any way, I've never needed one.
I do agree its another fleecing tactic to take away support however.
ya but with the PS3 you can use usb flash drives to store saves so they kinda made up alil bit.
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Sony has done nothing to dissable the use of accossories that already worked with the unit. Also, they allow you to upgrade the hard drive to any drive that will fit (with a couple of exceptions...but these are not intentional). Xbox360 won't even let you put a 500GB drive in.
I have stopped playing games on the PC since I can't seem to find any titles that are not 'Games for Windows' or 'Live'. The fact that 360 owners put up with the same, in spite of the lesser capabilities of the console and the higher cost of games is amazing to me. Yes, PSN is a lot like Live!, but it has no monthly fee, and most games that you get from the PSN can be installed on 5 consoles at once...Sony even knows about this, and allows it. Piracy is possible on the 360...but the PSN trick isn't piracy, it is perfectly legal, and Sony has never issued any statements against it.
Yes...Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo are all big, evil corporations...just to different degrees. Microsoft knows that they can get away with ANYTHING...and even if they are convicted over and over, they still get away with it. Nintendo is generaly a good company if you ignore their generaly fascist stance. Sony is somewhere in the middle...and that makes them the best at the moment IMHO.
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Originally posted by KillerBug:
Sony has done nothing to dissable the use of accossories that already worked with the unit. Also, they allow you to upgrade the hard drive to any drive that will fit (with a couple of exceptions...but these are not intentional). Xbox360 won't even let you put a 500GB drive in.
I have stopped playing games on the PC since I can't seem to find any titles that are not 'Games for Windows' or 'Live'. The fact that 360 owners put up with the same, in spite of the lesser capabilities of the console and the higher cost of games is amazing to me. Yes, PSN is a lot like Live!, but it has no monthly fee, and most games that you get from the PSN can be installed on 5 consoles at once...Sony even knows about this, and allows it. Piracy is possible on the 360...but the PSN trick isn't piracy, it is perfectly legal, and Sony has never issued any statements against it.
Yes...Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo are all big, evil corporations...just to different degrees. Microsoft knows that they can get away with ANYTHING...and even if they are convicted over and over, they still get away with it. Nintendo is generaly a good company if you ignore their generaly fascist stance. Sony is somewhere in the middle...and that makes them the best at the moment IMHO.
Agreed for the most part.
Live needed a subscription but these days it really dose not as the micortransations will cover most of the cost. PSN is not bad and makes up for itself by being free.
Nins online is a bit different and has catching up to do but still its not that bad.
I wish there was more development for PC, its not THAT hard to ensure a 360 game can work on a general swaf of newer PCs, all it needs is a basic all button keybinding and res/vid options and the games can be sold at the same time for PC. But blah rush rush wank wank....I am really starting to hate all aspects of modern media...
Copyright infringement is nothing more than civil disobedience to a bad set of laws. Lets renegotiate them.
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