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Why No known suppliers of Eurovox Ex6000sd
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AfterDawn Addict
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3. November 2009 @ 15:59 |
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Ah well its out in the open now, these are the two suppliers that prob commissioned the making of the box, that is why there is only the two of them answering, and been upset by all the publicity, and attention this box has got, before it even got off the ground.
its amazing the way things get leaked in the cable scene !!
But as i have said before its up to the punter to decide to buy or not!!
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lincsat
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3. November 2009 @ 17:56 |
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I have not commissioned the box at all, I will be selling them as well as the other Eurovoxes and the Kryptviews. From what I've heard, the EX6000SD has better support than the EX1100, but we'll see.
I can tell you that there is a PC based channel editor and RS232 loader available for the EX6000SD already, the RS232 loader and proper channel editor for the EX1100 still hasn't appeared, the editor that did appear is liable to corrupt the channel data.
You will see from various forums that I have been pushing the development of the EX1100 and EX7000 - I don't care what you buy, so long as you buy it from me :D
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mmir
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4. November 2009 @ 05:43 |
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Lincsat, can we rely upon your 100% aftersale support if things do not work well. Most of the dealers do not want to know after the sale. Majority of the current dealers are shy to divulge their business addres or telephone numbers. Why? The word "Genuine" does not appear anywhere in their adverts not even in their FAQs. Is not there any legal requirement for these traders to give their full businees address and contact numbers and satate the goods they are selling are genuine and not counterfeits. Who can we contact to report such traders. They just hide behind an Email address. I would not buy anything from any such dealer.
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lincsat
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4. November 2009 @ 07:11 |
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I have always given after-sales support and will continue to do so, all invoices include the trading address - I am not hiding from anyone.
Most of my sales come from recommendations, I do very little advertising.
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grimsby22
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6. November 2009 @ 02:57 |
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just my two-penneth but the eurovox TX has just been added to the "official" eurovox website.
its common knowledge that this box was NOT made by them but made by the makers of the Starview and Digivox.
whoever is lying, one thing for sure.... the "official" website is not telling the truth anymore.
does anyone think like me that this could be a chinese clone website out to get buisness? LOL
anyway guys, has anyone seen this new box yet?
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Zemme
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7. November 2009 @ 14:06 |
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Originally posted by lincsat:
I have always given after-sales support and will continue to do so, all invoices include the trading address - I am not hiding from anyone.
Most of my sales come from recommendations, I do very little advertising.
I would just like to let you know that the Eurovox EX6000 SD is now available for sale.
All reputable suppliers have been allocated stock.
Lincsat is my recommended choice, if you are interested in purchasing the Eurovox EX6000 SD. Lincsat is well stocked up & is 100% reliable.
I have been dealing with him for many years now, and he values good honest customer service.
Regards
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mmir
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8. November 2009 @ 07:31 |
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Zemme, please advise , apart from Lincsats, and DVB Revolution which came in to being recently, who are the other reputable dealers who are selling these boxes.
Regards.
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AfterDawn Addict
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8. November 2009 @ 10:03 |
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Originally posted by mmir:
Zemme, please advise , apart from Lincsats, and DVB Revolution which came in to being recently, who are the other reputable dealers who are selling these boxes.
Regards.
Yep i have also looked around, and there does not seem to be any other sellers of this unit, either except for flebay, and the two suppliers mentioned above. ie (Lincsats, and DVB Revolution)
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mmir
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8. November 2009 @ 11:11 |
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It is a big risk buying any cable receivers on Fleabay. Fleabay dealers normally disappear overnight. I wonder if it is the main sponsor/dealer selling it on Fleaby under an assumed name. Normally quite a lot of dealers advertise before the release of the Official Eurovox Box Receiver and majority of them take advance orders. This is not the case in respect of EX6000. Why are majority of normal dealers shy of selling this box? Perhaps e45 or Zemme can elaborate further.
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bollyboy
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8. November 2009 @ 11:12 |
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Originally posted by mmir:
They just hide behind an Email address. I would not buy anything from any such dealer.
Many of the largest retailers offer only an E-mail address for contact, this is the reason they offer a lower price than a Physical store due to lower overheads.
That's common business practise.
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mmir
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8. November 2009 @ 11:30 |
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Any large Genuine retailer must give their full address and landline number. The retailor should then clarify that the orders and inquiries would be dealt with via Email address only. I think it is a legal requirement in England for the Large Traders to provide their Trading address, telephone numbers, Vat registration number and if they are a registered company or not.
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bollyboy
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8. November 2009 @ 11:45 |
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It?s common knowledge what info should or should not be available via retailers what conform to DSR, the original questions were not relating to Legal obligations but the lack of contact options.
Not sure how we digressed to Vat registration, etc
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mmir
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8. November 2009 @ 13:32 |
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I mentioned Vat simply to stress the point that the business that is registered for vat is likely to be more trustworthy, as the company would have income of £68000.00 (Vat thresh hold)or more PA. All detils of the company could easily be traced and company sued if it failes to houner trading agreement with its customers. Thats all.
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AfterDawn Addict
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8. November 2009 @ 13:53 |
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Originally posted by mmir:
It is a big risk buying any cable receivers on Fleabay. Fleabay dealers normally disappear overnight. I wonder if it is the main sponsor/dealer selling it on Fleaby under an assumed name. Normally quite a lot of dealers advertise before the release of the Official Eurovox Box Receiver and majority of them take advance orders. This is not the case in respect of EX6000. Why are majority of normal dealers shy of selling this box? Perhaps e45 or Zemme can elaborate further.
Perhaps its because its not sold by Eurovox themselves,and will not be supported by them, and most of the trusted suppliers don't seem to be stocking this themselves, and only the 2 suppliers we have mentioned above are, what does that say.
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bollyboy
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8. November 2009 @ 13:55 |
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Originally posted by mmir:
I mentioned Vat simply to stress the point that the business that is registered for vat is likely to be more trustworthy, as the company would have income of £68000.00 (Vat thresh hold)or more PA. All detils of the company could easily be traced and company sued if it failes to houner trading agreement with its customers. Thats all.
Hello,
I would agree that a Vat Reg Company/Sole trader would have to follow more legislation than one that is not. Although I have to disagree they are more trustworthy than a non-vat business due to a higher turnover.
Statistics unfortunately show that most business fraud is commited by those Vat reg due to the attraction of fucking HMRC for huge amounts of £, I think someone involved in Vat Carousels gives little or no thought to being sued due to breaking a trading agreement with a customer.
After all he has the Queen biting his arse for her little share of his £
But as you have said earlier a little common sense should be used when purchasing from online websites & retailers.
Best regards
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AfterDawn Addict
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8. November 2009 @ 14:04 |
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Best way, if you have previously bought boxes from a supplier, use them to purchase further units from, if they dont stock that box ask them why, they should know why they are not stocking this, its always best to stick to your trusted supplier, at least you know what you are getting.
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lincsat
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8. November 2009 @ 14:06 |
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Originally posted by e45:
Perhaps its because its not sold by Eurovox themselves,and will not be supported by them, and most of the trusted suppliers don't seem to be stocking this themselves, and only the 2 suppliers we have mentioned above are, what does that say.
None of the boxes are sold by Eurovox themselves - Eurovox was owned by Rayyonics and they ceased trading after a well reported raid last Year.
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AfterDawn Addict
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8. November 2009 @ 14:33 |
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I am well aware of the case in question, although Rayonics ceased trading, others have taken their place,and been supplied by Eurovox, how do you think all the other suppliers are getting the Eurovox brands, but the big question is, why have the suppliers that are selling the other Eurovoxes not buying this one, except for the ones we have seen above, as i and mmir have not seen this on any other supplier site as i have said except for them and flebay.
I will stand corrected, if you can post a list of suppliers, apart from lincsat and dvbRevolution, which have only set up this company as per post earlier.
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bollyboy
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8. November 2009 @ 14:44 |
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Originally posted by e45:
I am well aware of the case in question, although Rayonics ceased trading, others have taken their place,and been supplied by Eurovox, how do you think all the other suppliers are getting the Eurovox brands, but the big question is, why have the suppliers that are selling the other Eurovoxes not buying this one, except for the ones we have seen above, as i and mmir have not seen this on any other supplier site as i have said except for them and flebay.
I will stand corrected, if you can post a list of suppliers, apart from lincsat and dvbRevolution, which have only set up this company as per post earlier.
Eurovox is owned by Rayyonics is it not ?
How can they be getting them from Eurovox, are you saying there getting them from Rayyonics or elsewhere ?
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AfterDawn Addict
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8. November 2009 @ 14:53 |
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Rayonics Uk where yes, but someone else has taken over their distribution services, how do you think the Eurovoxes are still been distributed to the suppliers, its not been distributed by the makers of the ex6000 that's for sure.
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lincsat
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8. November 2009 @ 14:58 |
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Exactly my point, there is no official Eurovox, just 2 different factories producing boxes that they have branded Eurovox. Integra producing the EX1100 & EX7000 and the new factory producing the EX6000SD.
There are reports that the producers of the EX6000SD have permission to use the Eurovox name and Integra do not - if that's true, the EX6000SD is the only official Eurovox. Although I tend to believe that as a previous official subcontractor, the Integra boxes are as official as they could be.
One thing is for certain, there are cheap clones available of all Eurovox branded boxes except the EX6000SD.
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bollyboy
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8. November 2009 @ 15:01 |
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Originally posted by e45:
Rayonics Uk where yes, but someone else has taken over their distribution services, how do you think the Eurovoxes are still been distributed to the suppliers, its not been distributed by the makers of the ex6000 that's for sure.
I'm confused !
Are you saying there importing them on behalf of Rayyonics (meaning there trading still) or without there knowledge as the IP owner, therefore illegally.
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lincsat
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8. November 2009 @ 15:01 |
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Originally posted by e45:
Rayonics Uk where yes, but someone else has taken over their distribution services, how do you think the Eurovoxes are still been distributed to the suppliers, its not been distributed by the makers of the ex6000 that's for sure.
Someone else has, but not Eurovox. There are reports that the makers of the EX6000SD are the only people authorised by Rayyonics to use the Eurovox name
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AfterDawn Addict
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8. November 2009 @ 15:06 |
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Well if that the case why is other suppliers not stocking or supplying the ex6000sd.
lincsat you and me both know that their had to be someone to take over from Rayonics, unofficially.
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Zemme
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8. November 2009 @ 15:07 |
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Hi
This negative controversy against the Eurovox EX6000 SD is really getting out of hand now.
Honestly, its gone from being called a cloned box by E45, and Mmir is now talking about VAT legislations. I have been on the forums since 2005 and this is the 1st time that so much controversy has been added to the party from people who frankly are hearing chinese whispers & posting random messages.
Lets get this straight ONCE again. The Eurovox brand name is the Intellectual Property of Rayyonics Limited. They own the trademark to the name Eurovox. The Eurovox name cannot be used on any DVB equipment without there permission.
Now please take time to read this properly. Do not rush through it as it mentions important facts.
Rayyonics was forced to cease trading due to being raided by the Police & Trading Standards. They always sold blank boxes & abided by UK & EU legislation. They were VAT registered, sold Blank boxes with no firmware installed, Always sent up to date & correct VAT returns to the Inland Revenue. MMIR, this question is directed to you, please do not take any offense. Why did Rayyonics get raided when they did abide by the law & ran a legitimate business? The answer to that questions is that they could be too easily found. When you become too easy to be found, it will be only a matter of time before you are found. The Police will bang you up even if they find blank boxes in your pocession. They charge you on suspicion of possible intent, i.e. Intention to supply a product that may be converted to watch free cable tv.
You guys all want to watch free cable TV, but we traders take all the risks. Dont get me wrong we benefit from the sale of the product, but we take the risk also. So there will always be a possibility that even a legitimate company could stop trading tomorrow if they get raided.
You know who the most reliable traders are? They are the ones that hide there identity. This may sound bad, but believe me it actually safeguards the customers personal details. if the old bill cant find you, then they cannot summons you to hand over any customer details.
The reason why the majority of the online traders are not currently stocking the Eurovox EX6000 SD is because the current importers of the Eurovox EX1100 USB, EX7000 HD+ & EX5100 PVR are posing as Rayyonics under a new company name of Plutronics. When we ask the online traders if they want to buy stock, they say that we are buying from the "SECRET" Rayyonics company called Plutronics. This company Plutronics is confusing the traders by posing as Rayyonics.
Rayyonics have there court case going to trial on the 1st week of January 2010. Rayyonics are not happy that Plutronics are posing as them. This will hinder there court case, as VM will think that they are still trading when they actuall are NOT!!!
You know something? You guys on the forums are more educated about the Eurovox products than the vast majority of traders. I keep telling the traders to come on the forums & find out whats going on in the cable scene. And to stop listening to the importers of specific boxes. The guys on the forum have the knowledge.
The Eurovox EX6000 SD is a brand new box from a new factory. It will take a few weeks to gain the traders confidence.
I am not going to debate about this anymore. We have told you how it is, and now it is up to you to go and find out what the truth is. We have defended ourselves & frankly given you information that we should not be telling. We do not tell you how to run your household, you should not interfere in how a trader runs his business.
The most important thing is to ensure that a trader safeguards his customers.
The majority of online traders use fake names & addresses on there website to safeguard there business. Those who choose not to display any fake names or addresses are not bad businessmen. They dont want to be found. If you get raided & arrested for selling blank boxes, do you really want to be found?
Cheers
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