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MS Ban Hammer - 10.30.09
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Sythron
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16. November 2009 @ 00:22 |
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Originally posted by bleh123:
Originally posted by Steeb666:
Originally posted by bleh123:
I read once that someone had called into Microsoft and was told the ban wave was running from Oct to Nov 13th.
No one has posted here or elsewhere that they have been banned from 14th onward I've noticed. Anyone think there is truth to it?
No.
As mentioned before. you get flagged then next time you connect you are banned. Waiting for the "Ban wave" to be over does nothing but prolong the inevitable.
Sigh, did you even read what I posted? I am simply stating the fact that a couple days ago people were posting every 5 minutes that they were banned. Now no one is.
That is because everyone who could post is banned already and have already stated it.
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mdn217
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16. November 2009 @ 00:43 |
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Can someone answer this??.. one of my friends has had his Xbox flashed prob about 2 weeks ago, but has not played any burned games. He continued to play retail games online during this whole ban wave and he is not banned. How could this be considering we believe MS can detect firmware?... im just curious.
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16. November 2009 @ 00:47 |
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it seems that if you mod your system after you have all the latest updates you are somewhat safe. c4e is running more tests now but we will see for sure what its like in a few days
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myrddinwy
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16. November 2009 @ 02:03 |
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Here is a kicker.
My XBOX was never modded. Bought brand new at Walmart. BANNED -- 3 days after paying for 1 year of Live. And the joke -- Today -- MS billed me again for another year. In 7 days, I paid almost 200 bucks to MS for Live service on an XBOX 360 that isn't modded but is banned.
I spent 7 hours on the phone, and finally ended up getting a supervisors supervisor who claims they too have a Banned 360 which isn't modded that they just recently purchased.
Something is very fishy about this whole thing. 1 Million Xbox 360's banned?? ... And no one even stops to think -- is it possible some of those Xbox 360's are legit ??
This whole thing is rather convenient --- nearing the christmas season lets ban 200-500 Million dollars in Xbox 360s, in the hopes to maybe scoop another 200-500 Million dollars.
One thing I can say for sure, if this is not corrected, I am definitely switching all my product to anyone but microsoft. Including my nice shiny new Windows 7 -- LINUX !!
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16. November 2009 @ 02:12 |
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Originally posted by myrddinwy:
Here is a kicker.
My XBOX was never modded. Bought brand new at Walmart. BANNED -- 3 days after paying for 1 year of Live. And the joke -- Today -- MS billed me again for another year. In 7 days, I paid almost 200 bucks to MS for Live service on an XBOX 360 that isn't modded but is banned.
I spent 7 hours on the phone, and finally ended up getting a supervisors supervisor who claims they too have a Banned 360 which isn't modded that they just recently purchased.
Something is very fishy about this whole thing. 1 Million Xbox 360's banned?? ... And no one even stops to think -- is it possible some of those Xbox 360's are legit ??
This whole thing is rather convenient --- nearing the christmas season lets ban 200-500 Million dollars in Xbox 360s, in the hopes to maybe scoop another 200-500 Million dollars.
One thing I can say for sure, if this is not corrected, I am definitely switching all my product to anyone but microsoft. Including my nice shiny new Windows 7 -- LINUX !!
Cool story, I have a hard time believing that one. Microsoft couldn't risk banning random people to try and get some more cash on sales. They ban every year around this time and they have a way to detect the mod, some how.
Also, live is only $50 a year so you didn't spend $200 on live. Either way call microsoft and tell them you want to cancel it and they will.
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16. November 2009 @ 02:53 |
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Originally posted by myrddinwy:
Here is a kicker.
My XBOX was never modded. Bought brand new at Walmart. BANNED -- 3 days after paying for 1 year of Live. And the joke -- Today -- MS billed me again for another year. In 7 days, I paid almost 200 bucks to MS for Live service on an XBOX 360 that isn't modded but is banned.
I spent 7 hours on the phone, and finally ended up getting a supervisors supervisor who claims they too have a Banned 360 which isn't modded that they just recently purchased.
Something is very fishy about this whole thing. 1 Million Xbox 360's banned?? ... And no one even stops to think -- is it possible some of those Xbox 360's are legit ??
This whole thing is rather convenient --- nearing the christmas season lets ban 200-500 Million dollars in Xbox 360s, in the hopes to maybe scoop another 200-500 Million dollars.
One thing I can say for sure, if this is not corrected, I am definitely switching all my product to anyone but microsoft. Including my nice shiny new Windows 7 -- LINUX !!
I'm sorry but I really find all this hard to believe. If they banned an unmodded box I'm sure M$ will unban it if you show them the box. And if they charged you within 7 days for another 3 years of Live then they will refund you after checking their record. M$ is an AH but not some 3rd rate dishonest company. I'm not a M$ fan but they have been providing me with free software all these years and I love Win7 (yes free too) <<wink wink>>. If you didn't mod your box there is no way you will suffer financially. Good luck.
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amritheir
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16. November 2009 @ 04:37 |
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If MS can detect the firmware because it is doing security checks, does that mean the older firmware (stupid post probably) is somehow a little safer as it didn't run the checks or as many checks as the newer firmware. Only reason I ask is because I had 1.6(BenQ) and my mate had1.51 (Hitachi) and we both play the exact same games(make each other copies) and keep it connected to live, I'm banned and he isn't and to be honest he probably plays games more on live then I do although that probably doesn't make a difference.
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panispy
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16. November 2009 @ 05:23 |
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Originally posted by myrddinwy:
Here is a kicker.
My XBOX was never modded. Bought brand new at Walmart. BANNED -- 3 days after paying for 1 year of Live. And the joke -- Today -- MS billed me again for another year. In 7 days, I paid almost 200 bucks to MS for Live service on an XBOX 360 that isn't modded but is banned.
I spent 7 hours on the phone, and finally ended up getting a supervisors supervisor who claims they too have a Banned 360 which isn't modded that they just recently purchased.
Something is very fishy about this whole thing. 1 Million Xbox 360's banned?? ... And no one even stops to think -- is it possible some of those Xbox 360's are legit ??
This whole thing is rather convenient --- nearing the christmas season lets ban 200-500 Million dollars in Xbox 360s, in the hopes to maybe scoop another 200-500 Million dollars.
One thing I can say for sure, if this is not corrected, I am definitely switching all my product to anyone but microsoft. Including my nice shiny new Windows 7 -- LINUX !!
Ok for one i think its bullcrap that you never modded your xbox.
For two i lay my life you wont go Linux
For three stop crying. To be honest i love the xbox live experience and im glad they stop piracy becuase that means more money for game developers and better games for us!
Juts buy another xbox for cheap and use that one for offline games. Is that not fair!!?
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srfncrly
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16. November 2009 @ 07:15 |
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banned this morning, 5am sydney aus time
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mkoopa
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16. November 2009 @ 07:58 |
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Flashed to 1.6 the week bans started, I am not banned yet. Only played borderlands on it so far.
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zeeden
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16. November 2009 @ 09:26 |
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Originally posted by myrddinwy:
Here is a kicker.
My XBOX was never modded. Bought brand new at Walmart. BANNED -- 3 days after paying for 1 year of Live. And the joke -- Today -- MS billed me again for another year. In 7 days, I paid almost 200 bucks to MS for Live service on an XBOX 360 that isn't modded but is banned.
I spent 7 hours on the phone, and finally ended up getting a supervisors supervisor who claims they too have a Banned 360 which isn't modded that they just recently purchased.
Something is very fishy about this whole thing. 1 Million Xbox 360's banned?? ... And no one even stops to think -- is it possible some of those Xbox 360's are legit ??
This whole thing is rather convenient --- nearing the christmas season lets ban 200-500 Million dollars in Xbox 360s, in the hopes to maybe scoop another 200-500 Million dollars.
One thing I can say for sure, if this is not corrected, I am definitely switching all my product to anyone but microsoft. Including my nice shiny new Windows 7 -- LINUX !!
Could it be possible he bought an 360 that someone gutted/swapped/exchanged for a non-modded one?
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mdn217
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16. November 2009 @ 10:11 |
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Originally posted by zeeden:
Originally posted by myrddinwy:
Here is a kicker.
My XBOX was never modded. Bought brand new at Walmart. BANNED -- 3 days after paying for 1 year of Live. And the joke -- Today -- MS billed me again for another year. In 7 days, I paid almost 200 bucks to MS for Live service on an XBOX 360 that isn't modded but is banned.
I spent 7 hours on the phone, and finally ended up getting a supervisors supervisor who claims they too have a Banned 360 which isn't modded that they just recently purchased.
Something is very fishy about this whole thing. 1 Million Xbox 360's banned?? ... And no one even stops to think -- is it possible some of those Xbox 360's are legit ??
This whole thing is rather convenient --- nearing the christmas season lets ban 200-500 Million dollars in Xbox 360s, in the hopes to maybe scoop another 200-500 Million dollars.
One thing I can say for sure, if this is not corrected, I am definitely switching all my product to anyone but microsoft. Including my nice shiny new Windows 7 -- LINUX !!
Could it be possible he bought an 360 that someone gutted/swapped/exchanged for a non-modded one?
Thats exactly what i was thinking...how long have you had the console? and where was it purchased?
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m41m3d
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16. November 2009 @ 10:11 |
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I think that flashed firmware is always detectable. I read lots of posts about how challenge response times differ from a non-flashed dvd drive and other possible detectable differences.
But if microsoft is smart, they can always detect different firmware.
example in bytes:
Original firmware: 010101010101
Flashed firmware: 010101110101
How can you even make custom firmware without having a different kinda checksum compared to the original firmware?
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16. November 2009 @ 10:13 |
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could be, there are people out there saying that they will gut a box and return to the store for a refund, i think if you are caught doing that you should get all that is coming to you as unsuspecting people like myrddinwy think they're getting something thats legit and it isn't.
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qwert99
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16. November 2009 @ 10:36 |
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Originally posted by m41m3d:
I think that flashed firmware is always detectable. I read lots of posts about how challenge response times differ from a non-flashed dvd drive and other possible detectable differences.
But if microsoft is smart, they can always detect different firmware.
example in bytes:
Original firmware: 010101010101
Flashed firmware: 010101110101
How can you even make custom firmware without having a different kinda checksum compared to the original firmware?
Think about what you have to go through in order to dump the firmware. MS would have to do it the same way.
That's why MS isn't directly reading firmware.
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16. November 2009 @ 10:42 |
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Originally posted by m41m3d:
I think that flashed firmware is always detectable. I read lots of posts about how challenge response times differ from a non-flashed dvd drive and other possible detectable differences.
But if microsoft is smart, they can always detect different firmware.
example in bytes:
Original firmware: 010101010101
Flashed firmware: 010101110101
How can you even make custom firmware without having a different kinda checksum compared to the original firmware?
Again, I have to interject when I read just bad noob posts.
Do you know anything about IT or flashing? The firmware is LOCKED OUT! Microsoft can't just probe your console and get a checksum of your drive's firmware. They CANNOT detect firmware natively.
As I have said many many times, if you would heave search for anything, Microsoft left themselves a backdoor by doing and issuing challenges to the drive. But just probing the drive and getting the firmware, not possible.
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boxer2520
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16. November 2009 @ 11:08 |
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I would imagine then that if M$ are issuing challenges this is why C4e can develop a new firmware (the lt)that closely mimics the original and be safe. Should it pass all challenges and the firmware cannot be directly read that there will be some hope for future modding. Now if only we could have a simple way to unban!
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nich0142
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16. November 2009 @ 11:25 |
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Originally posted by VITAL715:
does anyone know if this video is a legit way to check if banned?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVmuJw_IPNg
it says you need to check
W: 0000-0008
X: 0000-F001
Y: 00A8-6820
Z: 8015-190D (see this = banned)
ID: 0008-0000
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tn1848
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16. November 2009 @ 11:33 |
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Originally posted by guessswho:
Microsoft left themselves a backdoor by doing and issuing challenges to the drive.
THIS is the theory that makes the most sense. However, I doubt its even a back door. What is highly likely is that one of the recent live updates included what is typically referred to as an "agent." This agent is installed on the console and immediately starts issuing challenges to the drive and recording the results. These results are then uploaded once the user logs in, and once evaluated, the serial for the console is flagged.
More than likely, this all happens automatically once the the live update is downloaded. The agent does its thing (regardless of the user being online/offline), records the results, and waits for the user to login. As someone who does work in IT, the use of agents is typical in a batch processing configuration for a network with a distributed architecture.
In theory, this agent could have been on our console the entire time, or installed with any one of the recent live updates. As for the time variations between people getting banned, more than likely its due to the variations in the results. Results that are extreme outliers are banned immediately, while those with slight variations are evaluated over time. In the end, the results will always be the same.
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tn1848
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16. November 2009 @ 11:39 |
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Originally posted by nich0142:
Originally posted by VITAL715:
does anyone know if this video is a legit way to check if banned?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVmuJw_IPNg
it says you need to check
W: 0000-0008
X: 0000-F001
Y: 00A8-6820
Z: 8015-190D (see this = banned)
ID: 0008-0000
Yes. It does work, I saved my hard-drive functionality using this method. BUT, you have to first disable the auto sign-in feature on your gamertag, and do the test WITHOUT signing into live. If you see the code mentioned above, DO NOT sign into live with ANY profile from that console EVER AGAIN.
Bottom line, if you do this and it works, you have yourself an offline console.
EDIT: There are now reports that this method isnt working either. Please note that I did this on Friday, 11/13. I have not tried it since then. It IS possible that the loophole has been since been corrected.
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16. November 2009 @ 12:13 |
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Originally posted by Nunta:
You state that its the firmware giving off bad angles and stealth checks in which microsoft can detect, but what about those people getting banned without even playing a game after they have modded their 360??
it gives the error on backups and retail games. so if your saying someone modded their 360 and then didnt play any games at all not even retail i have a hard time beleiving that cause why did they buy a 360 and not a dvd player?
you guys can check here the offical site for ixtreme LT http://ixtremelt.com/ixtremelt.html check the faq
If you send me questions on Live about modding or anything related i will block you. Dont be an idiot.
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16. November 2009 @ 12:18 |
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Originally posted by stealthdf:
Originally posted by Nunta:
You state that its the firmware giving off bad angles and stealth checks in which microsoft can detect, but what about those people getting banned without even playing a game after they have modded their 360??
it gives the error on backups and retail games. so if your saying someone modded their 360 and then didnt play any games at all not even retail i have a hard time beleiving that cause why did they buy a 360 and not a dvd player?
you guys can check here the offical site for ixtreme LT http://ixtremelt.com/ixtremelt.html check the faq
Sorry but, many people have confirmed this. They wanted to see if it was the fw or not so a guy on my site left it on for 3 days and was banned. Never played a game, dvd, nothing. Kept it in dashboard for 3 days.
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16. November 2009 @ 12:20 |
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Originally posted by azzidrain:
Originally posted by stealthdf:
Originally posted by Nunta:
You state that its the firmware giving off bad angles and stealth checks in which microsoft can detect, but what about those people getting banned without even playing a game after they have modded their 360??
it gives the error on backups and retail games. so if your saying someone modded their 360 and then didnt play any games at all not even retail i have a hard time beleiving that cause why did they buy a 360 and not a dvd player?
you guys can check here the offical site for ixtreme LT http://ixtremelt.com/ixtremelt.html check the faq
Sorry but, many people have confirmed this. They wanted to see if it was the fw or not so a guy on my site left it on for 3 days and was banned. Never played a game, dvd, nothing. Kept it in dashboard for 3 days.
so that guy bought a brand new 360 just to mod and connect? feel sorry for that poor bastard wasting 200+dollars
If you send me questions on Live about modding or anything related i will block you. Dont be an idiot.
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mX10
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16. November 2009 @ 12:27 |
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Originally posted by tn1848:
Originally posted by guessswho:
Microsoft left themselves a backdoor by doing and issuing challenges to the drive.
THIS is the theory that makes the most sense. However, I doubt its even a back door. What is highly likely is that one of the recent live updates included what is typically referred to as an "agent." This agent is installed on the console and immediately starts issuing challenges to the drive and recording the results. These results are then uploaded once the user logs in, and once evaluated, the serial for the console is flagged.
More than likely, this all happens automatically once the the live update is downloaded. The agent does its thing (regardless of the user being online/offline), records the results, and waits for the user to login. As someone who does work in IT, the use of agents is typical in a batch processing configuration for a network with a distributed architecture.
In theory, this agent could have been on our console the entire time, or installed with any one of the recent live updates. As for the time variations between people getting banned, more than likely its due to the variations in the results. Results that are extreme outliers are banned immediately, while those with slight variations are evaluated over time. In the end, the results will always be the same.
Right.
i have two xboxs, one was modded from new (UNUSED), the other was modded only a couple months back.
The one that was modded a couple months back is banned, the one that was modded before using it is unbanned, i used the same method for 2 friends of mine and we all seem to be the only ones on our friends list who have not been banned
Maybe its a coincidence? idk.
Just my two cents. The agent theory seems to have merit, seen as me and my friends are still playing backups daily?
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tn1848
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16. November 2009 @ 13:26 |
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Originally posted by mX10:
Originally posted by tn1848:
Originally posted by guessswho:
Microsoft left themselves a backdoor by doing and issuing challenges to the drive.
THIS is the theory that makes the most sense. However, I doubt its even a back door. What is highly likely is that one of the recent live updates included what is typically referred to as an "agent." This agent is installed on the console and immediately starts issuing challenges to the drive and recording the results. These results are then uploaded once the user logs in, and once evaluated, the serial for the console is flagged.
More than likely, this all happens automatically once the the live update is downloaded. The agent does its thing (regardless of the user being online/offline), records the results, and waits for the user to login. As someone who does work in IT, the use of agents is typical in a batch processing configuration for a network with a distributed architecture.
In theory, this agent could have been on our console the entire time, or installed with any one of the recent live updates. As for the time variations between people getting banned, more than likely its due to the variations in the results. Results that are extreme outliers are banned immediately, while those with slight variations are evaluated over time. In the end, the results will always be the same.
Right.
i have two xboxs, one was modded from new (UNUSED), the other was modded only a couple months back.
The one that was modded a couple months back is banned, the one that was modded before using it is unbanned, i used the same method for 2 friends of mine and we all seem to be the only ones on our friends list who have not been banned
Maybe its a coincidence? idk.
Just my two cents. The agent theory seems to have merit, seen as me and my friends are still playing backups daily?
You do realize that if the agent theory is indeed true, and you do go on live, its only a matter of time for your unbanned consoles. A lot of people have been saying that the bans only happen once a year, but if this theory hold true, everyone will be at risk once they download the required live updates, no matter what time of year.
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