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New DVD FW in Dev/Test - iXtreme LT (Lite Touch)
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Wiiman50
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4. January 2010 @ 21:19 |
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I don't think that the selling of this firmware is illegal. There are countless products that are created for operating systems that don't require the purchase of any kind of license in order to sell it. Many devices have sold in the past that allowed the playing of back ups and I have yet to see any cases of lawsuits.
A fw itself is a program that allows for hardware to function in a specific way.
I don't know why you broke people are ignorant enough to download illegal content yet to come back and whine about having to pay for something you never bought in the first place.
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5. January 2010 @ 08:12 |
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Surely once someone had the LT firmware, it will make its rounds on USENET & Torrents so IMHO its pointless selling it. I wonder if they get many donations, I know there have been few threads mentioning this in the past.
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ebxtreme
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5. January 2010 @ 11:46 |
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The creators of the iXtreme LT firmware have always been aware that some if not all buyers of their LT firmware plan to extract and use it at their own discretion. This is why Iriez indicated in his memoir almost a month ago that the modding community would not be able to do just that.
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Planning ANOTHER pay-for-key licensing program with ixtreme 1.7 (aka LT). Here is logs of some conversation:
- 1.7 (LT) will be for all liteons
- the liteon will have 1.7 (LT)
- it will have an encrypted drive key, customised by us, normal drivekeys wont work
- no release to the public for now either, probably never
So this clearly states sharing LT will be impossible unless we can encrypt the original drive key (like the creators would) to work with the new firmware.
All of this is still speculation as LT has been delayed ... however, there still has been no confirmation by TeamJungle that it will remain free of charge once its released.
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deepc266
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5. January 2010 @ 12:36 |
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Originally posted by ebxtreme:
The creators of the iXtreme LT firmware have always been aware that some if not all buyers of their LT firmware plan to extract and use it at their own discretion. This is why Iriez indicated in his memoir almost a month ago that the modding community would not be able to do just that.
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Planning ANOTHER pay-for-key licensing program with ixtreme 1.7 (aka LT). Here is logs of some conversation:
- 1.7 (LT) will be for all liteons
- the liteon will have 1.7 (LT)
- it will have an encrypted drive key, customised by us, normal drivekeys wont work
- no release to the public for now either, probably never
Wouldn't them useing there own encryption key kind of defeat the purpose of the the LT. I mean it was suppose to be lightwieght and no different then the MS firware. So if the encrytion is different wouldn't that kind of screw up the idea of it being LiteTouch?
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FWolf
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5. January 2010 @ 13:03 |
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More importantly, how do they plan to implement such a thing? Do they plan on setting it up so that when you buy LT, you send them your drive key and they encrypted it and put it in the firmware for you and send you your on firmware copy? I can't imagine that's going to be fun for them to do.
The only way encryption would work tho is if they encrypted it, and then the firmware it self de-crypts it for usage. How long will it take till the rest of the community reverse engineers the program and makes a home encrypter tho?
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5. January 2010 @ 15:27 |
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Originally posted by FWolf:
How long will it take till the rest of the community reverse engineers the program and makes a home encrypter tho?
It probably wouldn't take long at all. But then you run in to the problem of the team being the ONLY source for hacked firmware.
So if they implement a firmware you have to pay for, then someone else goes and cracks it, what's to stop the team from saying "f'ck it, you don't want to pay then we're not releasing anymore firmware".
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5. January 2010 @ 16:05 |
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the bigger problem for me is how selective are the team going to be when choosing who gets the fw and who is considered general public?
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darktype
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6. January 2010 @ 05:36 |
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Ugh, I hope they don't charge for it, I've been waiting to flash my Lite-on until LT comes out, and I don't have money right now. Just paid for tuition and books. Grr...
Plus, there's not really any guarantee that we wont still be banned somehow.
If the firmware is a good as they are hyping it up to be then I wouldn't have any problem donating 10$-15$ (when I have the money). It would keep everything much less complicated.
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big_green
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6. January 2010 @ 19:38 |
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Originally posted by bhetrick:
Originally posted by FWolf:
How long will it take till the rest of the community reverse engineers the program and makes a home encrypter tho?
It probably wouldn't take long at all. But then you run in to the problem of the team being the ONLY source for hacked firmware.
So if they implement a firmware you have to pay for, then someone else goes and cracks it, what's to stop the team from saying "f'ck it, you don't want to pay then we're not releasing anymore firmware".
Surely they must realize that this would be an inherent problem with this product? You can't hold pirates hostage and expect them to take it sitting down.
I think they should amp up their donation campaign, they would probably be more successful than if they would alienate their consumer base by charging for LT.
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htorihpeS
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6. January 2010 @ 20:46 |
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Even with LT, M$ can still detect bad backups so this firmware cannot guarantee safety on live. However, it does reduce the risk of being banned but bad rips will raise as many flags as they ever did.
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darktype
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9. January 2010 @ 06:09 |
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Originally posted by htorihpeS:
Even with LT, M$ can still detect bad backups so this firmware cannot guarantee safety on live. However, it does reduce the risk of being banned but bad rips will raise as many flags as they ever did.
Well from what I have heard, people have been banned just because of firmware. For instance, someone flashes their drive and never plays a game, original or backup, but uses xbox live.
What I mean is, if iXtreme LT will eliminate all chances of being banned except for bad rips, then I wouldn't mind paying for it.
I have a question though, I heard that ABGX actually had a lot of bad rips. So how would you guys suggest we make sure that the rips we use are perfect?
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wallpape
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13. January 2010 @ 05:56 |
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New post from ixtremelt.com
12 January 2009 - ixtreme LT passing all the new xbox live checks
All the new checks from Xbox live are found. All current firmwares, stealth and non-stealth, are detectable and get flagged for banning. The good news is, ixtreme LT is passing the new checks. Still no estimated time of arrival!
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13. January 2010 @ 06:26 |
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Originally posted by wallpape:
New post from ixtremelt.com
12 January 2009 - ixtreme LT passing all the new xbox live checks
All the new checks from Xbox live are found. All current firmwares, stealth and non-stealth, are detectable and get flagged for banning. The good news is, ixtreme LT is passing the new checks. Still no estimated time of arrival!
hopefully it will be out soon.
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JF_Kyori
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13. January 2010 @ 10:07 |
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So that confirms what i believed the whole time, The firmware was detectable. Thank goodness I've been unplug since the wave began. Its good to get some news from team jungle. I have patience for LT as long as info on the progress keeps coming in.
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13. January 2010 @ 10:52 |
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Originally posted by JF_Kyori:
So that confirms what i believed the whole time, The firmware was detectable. Thank goodness I've been unplug since the wave began. Its good to get some news from team jungle. I have patience for LT as long as info on the progress keeps coming in.
No. What that confirms is MS just recently implemented a new way to detect backup and/or read firmware. If they had been able to the whole time then this last huge ban wave would've happened a long time ago.
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hooterjh
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13. January 2010 @ 11:12 |
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Originally posted by miketrev:
Surely once someone had the LT firmware, it will make its rounds on USENET & Torrents so IMHO its pointless selling it. I wonder if they get many donations, I know there have been few threads mentioning this in the past.
exactly i will giggle if they charge for it. After making us wait this long its terribly greedy to try to charge for it. I for one will do everything in my power to see that people do not have to pay for LT and i believe it will be cracked, hacked w.e you wana call it so other will get it for the price its worth. Free.
"This console has been banned from Xbox LIVE for violating terms of service, Yada yada yada..."
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13. January 2010 @ 12:06 |
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Originally posted by hooterjh:
After making us wait this long its terribly greedy to try to charge for it. I for one will do everything in my power to see that people do not have to pay for LT and i believe it will be cracked, hacked w.e you wana call it so other will get it for the price its worth. Free.
Wow. I have to say that's really a poor attitude you have towards this subject. Because of them, you get free games. And your attitude is that they OWE that to you. That's a shame.
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13. January 2010 @ 12:18 |
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Originally posted by bhetrick:
Originally posted by hooterjh:
After making us wait this long its terribly greedy to try to charge for it. I for one will do everything in my power to see that people do not have to pay for LT and i believe it will be cracked, hacked w.e you wana call it so other will get it for the price its worth. Free.
Wow. I have to say that's really a poor attitude you have towards this subject. Because of them, you get free games. And your attitude is that they OWE that to you. That's a shame.
I agree, these guys have saved people boat loads of money in free games, and at least 2/3's of the people who've saved money won't donate a few quid/dollars for the project.
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13. January 2010 @ 12:22 |
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its worth alot more than free if you ask me i have saved so much money through the firmwares but it will be free unless the dev team all want to do some time. ms will come down on them like a tone of bricks. its gonna take time they are trying to get it right and fix any problems. you cant tell everyone that it will not be detected and that it will be safe to play on xbl without severe testing to make sure it is safe.
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JF_Kyori
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13. January 2010 @ 12:42 |
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Originally posted by bhetrick:
Originally posted by JF_Kyori:
So that confirms what i believed the whole time, The firmware was detectable. Thank goodness I've been unplug since the wave began. Its good to get some news from team jungle. I have patience for LT as long as info on the progress keeps coming in.
No. What that confirms is MS just recently implemented a new way to detect backup and/or read firmware. If they had been able to the whole time then this last huge ban wave would've happened a long time ago.
No what i meant is that this recent huge ban wave is the result of Microsoft ability to now identify a modded firmware. that is what i believed was the reason to why hundreds of thousands of modded console were detected no matter whcih version of ixtreme was being used.
And also i have to agree with Aki09 I will be really shocked if C4eva and Team Jungle choose to make a profit from LT especially with how public they have been with the development with twitter accounts and forums such as this. we all know Microsoft is keeping an eye on them as well. So to come out and say hey were gonna make profit off of LT i feel is ballzy
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htorihpeS
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13. January 2010 @ 13:48 |
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How does C4eva know that the consoles he is checking LT with are not flagged and will be banned in the next wave? How can he know if LT is passing xbox live checks? LT or no LT, there is going to be one big ban wave about a month before Halo Reach is released in September. However, LT should significantly reduce the amount of people banned. I wouldn't mind donating at all. With the amount of money to be saved by flashing, what's a few euro?
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Urizen666
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15. January 2010 @ 09:14 |
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New post from ixtremelt.com
14 January 2009 - EXCLUSIVE NEWS AND CONFIRMED: ixtreme LT is not free!
The retail price will be 110 USD. The key has some kind of encryption, so that it can not be used for free. More details will be placed when they are available.
WOW!!! What are your thoughts?
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15. January 2010 @ 09:15 |
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Originally posted by Urizen666:
14 January 2009 - EXCLUSIVE NEWS AND CONFIRMED: ixtreme LT is not free!
The retail price will be 110 USD. The key has some kind of encryption, so that it can not be used for free. More details will be placed when they are available.
WOW!!! What are your thoughts?
It has been confirmed fake.
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15. January 2010 @ 09:16 |
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[12:10] * Now talking in #fw
[12:10] * Topic is '| ? list | ixtremelt.com confirmed fake | Divinity_II_Ego_Draconis_NTSC_XBOX360-GameStop | JungleFlasher v0.1.69 beta (x64 support) @ h'
[12:10] * Set by Iriez!wario@staff.xbins.org on Fri Jan 15 04:56:55
There is a thread about this.
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15. January 2010 @ 09:26 |
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Originally posted by Urizen666:
New post from ixtremelt.com
14 January 2009 - EXCLUSIVE NEWS AND CONFIRMED: ixtreme LT is not free!
The retail price will be 110 USD. The key has some kind of encryption, so that it can not be used for free. More details will be placed when they are available.
WOW!!! What are your thoughts?
. If this was true the only way I would consider it is if there is some kind of garantee about getting banned. They can't expect people to pay if there is still a chance Microsoft will be able to detect it. And how are c4eva and co supposed to know what tricks Microsoft have up there sleave? EDIT: confirmed not true
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