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Proposed UK law would force ISP sanctions against file sharers
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article published on 20 November, 2009
UK lawmakers officially announced the Digital Economy Bill intended to address issues identified by the Digital Britain Report. As expected it makes communications regulators at Ofcom responsible for curbing unauthorized P2P file sharing.
Initially it doesn't go quite as far as entertainment industry representatives would like, and only requires that ISPs forward warning letters about ... [ read the full article ]
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20. November 2009 @ 23:20 |
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Yet another example of your tax dollars hard at work protecting the rich corporate conglomerates.
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jony218
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21. November 2009 @ 00:53 |
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Why don't they just ban the internet, that's the only way they will ever stop illegal downloads.
As soon they devise a new method to counter piracy, the pirates introduce a countermeasure. It's a never ending battle.
Once the genie is out of the bottle it can not be put back. The era of outrageous profits on CD's is long gone.
Years ago people use to record music off the radio into cassettes for free, it was the beginning of piracy. Now the technology is more sophisticated but operates on the same principle.
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21. November 2009 @ 05:26 |
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Seriously, this country is going to hell in a hand basket. I can't be bothered to elaborate now but anyone living in the U.K will be able to state how bad everything is here.
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21. November 2009 @ 06:40 |
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Why don't they just ban the internet, that's the only way they will ever stop illegal downloads.
even if they could ban the internet( which that wouldnt have a hope in hell of doing) people would still find illegal ways of obtaining music like borrowing it from the library and copying it,borrowing the cds/dvds from friends and copying them.As for the ISP i dont think its any of there business what you use the internet for.you pay money for a connection not a babysitter.
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beanos66
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21. November 2009 @ 07:52 |
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Originally posted by llongtheD:
Yet another example of your tax dollars hard at work protecting the rich corporate conglomerates.
Tax !Pounds!
under virgin media we already have bandwidth caps, if we download 3500MB (that is less than 1 DVD's worth of data) bandwidth is cut by 75%
also what bugs me is the drop in cd sales is put down solely to piracy,
nobody makes mention of the increased number of specialized radio stations, increased number of music video TV channels,increased number of digital download sales and record execs stealing from their artists and customers.
The music industry is making more money now than they have ever done and what do they spend it on ? Lawyers politicians and drugs
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21. November 2009 @ 08:05 |
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It's ridiculous here, if i could move to the states i would.
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21. November 2009 @ 08:21 |
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Originally posted by mitchst:
It's ridiculous here, if i could move to the states i would.
What makes you think they have your interests at heart either ~ http://forums.afterdawn.com/t.cfm/f-33/s...strikes-811898/
Whatever the US says (on various topics i mean), the UK blindly follows.., we're seemingly joined at the hip in too many aspects
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mitchst
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21. November 2009 @ 08:57 |
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Originally posted by mitchst:
It's ridiculous here, if i could move to the states i would.
What makes you think they have your interests at heart either ~ http://forums.afterdawn.com/t.cfm/f-33/s...strikes-811898/
Whatever the US says (on various topics i mean), the UK blindly follows.., we're seemingly joined at the hip in too many aspects
It's not just this, it's the whole Nanny state thing, which grows truer by the day. I've been to the states a few times, admittedly on holiday, but the way of life just seems so much better. No chance of moving though, silly green cards :P.
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21. November 2009 @ 14:45 |
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mitchst, you've seen America as a tourist and through movies & television. Reality is more complicated. America is run by corporations and special interests at this time.
The legal mechanism is in place to change that for the better. Therefore there is always that hope. The American public is presently very apathetic and more interested in sports, soap opera's and reality tv. There is a vocal but very small minority of Americans who want change. It is not enough.
Unless their number grows substantially, the "tax dollars are hard at work" to make the internet a private backyard of various special interests. I am hoping for a revolution. The American Constitution, a magnificent document, could allow it but it takes the people.
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21. November 2009 @ 14:51 |
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21. November 2009 @ 16:26 |
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Originally posted by mitchst:
It's not just this, it's the whole Nanny state thing, which grows truer by the day.
Wake up.
This has got nothing to do with a supposed British "nanny state" and everything to do with all of our 'western' Government(s) acting on behalf of the biggest (private) international corporations.
It is the private sector media & retail companies that want to turn the net into one big shopping mall where everything is monetised.
If they can misdirect & gull the ill-informed into imagining this is all about encroaching Government then so much the better for them.
Our political parties (that is the ones that stand any chance of actually gaining any serious power) & Goverments stopped being (by any recognisable & accurate definition) 'left' or 'right' long ago.
They are now slightly different shades of the same corporate business party.
Nanny state?
LMAO
Toothless collective of yes-men dictated to by the corporations, more like.
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22. November 2009 @ 23:12 |
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They should just launch the nukes and kill every living thing...that's the only way that they can stop piracy.
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23. November 2009 @ 02:02 |
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The ISPs really need to say to the movie/music studios.
Sure we will block copyright files from our network, this will mean ALL our customers won't have any access to ANY of your copyright files/websites straight away.
And they would back down straight away as the net is the only thing probably keeping their companies alive at the moment.
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24. November 2009 @ 17:53 |
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European Commission: No 3 Strikes Without Judicial Oversight Quote:
The European Commission has issued a warning to the Spanish government that any plan to disconnect file-sharers from the Internet without involving a judge would create conflict with the EU. This statement could also throw the three-strikes plans of the UK government and the Irish ISP Eircom into serious doubt.
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24. November 2009 @ 18:45 |
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Originally posted by KillerBug:
They should just launch the nukes and kill every living thing...that's the only way that they can stop piracy.
Not even the Nukes Can bring down the web, if every human just disappeared one day the net would still run on its own for more than 1000 years+
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26. November 2009 @ 04:05 |
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Originally posted by creaky:
European Commission: No 3 Strikes Without Judicial Oversight Quote:
The European Commission has issued a warning to the Spanish government that any plan to disconnect file-sharers from the Internet without involving a judge would create conflict with the EU. This statement could also throw the three-strikes plans of the UK government and the Irish ISP Eircom into serious doubt.
Exactly as it completely removes official channels of law.
The studios are only doing this so they can do what ever they want without having to go through the courts.
Well if the law can remove a royal family then the studios will have to have a major rethink.
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27. November 2009 @ 21:37 |
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Essentially this proposal if implemented would circumvent to due process of law, where there is a presumption of innocence. There are already existing laws in the UK that cover the area of "copyright theft, etc" but these laws are untested in the UK in the area of digital downloads. This would seem to indicate to these laws are potentially unsafe and the authorities clearly do not want to set a precedent if they lost a case, or if it went as far as the house of laws and was amended.Therefore rather than test said law or any future derivations of, its much easier to simply presume guilt and without any legal process.
This proposal is a legal minefield, that if implemented, will have to implemented not by the existing government, but my a new political administration after next years general election. This is a standard UK political tactic to leave the incumbants with at least one inherited political nightmare.
Remedies for any sanctions made under this proposal could be sought under human rights, disability rights and age related rights legistlation, which in the UK are almost totally unenforcable to the majority of the population.
It seems strange that we are attempting to bring freedom and democracy to sections of the third world and yet deny those same basic rights to our own citizens. But that is any of many inherent contradictions of our political systems.
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