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article published on 1 December, 2009
According to an official Justification Review Document, the U.S. Department of Defense has ordered 2200 PlayStation 3 consoles in an effort to expand their supercomputer.
The current supercomputer has 336 PS3s arrayed in a cluster, all running a Linux operating system. The consoles have Cell microprocessors, and offer the best value for devices that can be used in the supercomputer.
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1. December 2009 @ 21:25 |
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Back on topic...
The article says that the PS3's are running a version of Linux. I seem to recall reading somewhere that the PS3's full power is not available in Linux, that not all the cores are available for use. If they are using these PS3's as part of a supercomputer, I bet they want all the power they can get. So how are they utilizing the PS3's full power? Can this lead to some sort of hack? I may be wrong, but it's just a thought i was having.
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1. December 2009 @ 22:59 |
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Its never about making government more efficient, just expanding government and raising taxes.
I couldn't agree more, especially with these liberals in office. Bush wasn't much better though. What we Americans need is a Ronald Reagan; a true republican that respects the constitution and our freedoms. What I can't wrap my head around with the current administration is how they blatantly tax the rich left and right. Since when is there a limit on how successful your career can be!? This is still America for god's sake. Well people the reason why this is happening is simple, GREED. That is why Obama got elected. And then there is welfare. Why try in school and get into a nice college if when you get a nice paying job, Uncle Sam comes along and takes %45 of that. You might as well just sit on your couch and collect social security and welfare. This is why the unemployment rate isn't going down anytime soon.
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1. December 2009 @ 23:05 |
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what is the big deal about wanting Linux on the ps3 i had it on mine and i couldn't run much due to it being a PPC processor and not Intel as most apps are programed for Intel and in the end my ps3 had a defect and i traded it in for the slim and all i can say is i use Linux on the slim as much as i would on the fat as i never used it in the first place except to experiment with it
i will stick with my tri-booted laptop (mac, linux, windows) rather than Linux on a ps3
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1. December 2009 @ 23:10 |
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Since when is there a limit on how successful your career can be!? This is still America for god's sake. Well people the reason why this is happening is simple, GREED. That is why Obama got elected. And then there is welfare. Why try in school and get into a nice college if when you get a nice paying job, Uncle Sam comes along and takes %45 of that. You might as well just sit on your couch and collect social security and welfare. This is why the unemployment rate isn't going down anytime soon.
Yes, it should be a limit...at least limited by common sense...if you have CEOs that cash in seven figures a year, even at 45% tax I think they should have left more than enough to live a lavish life...
Check out these guys, I don't think after paying taxes they are left starving...
http://www.aflcio.org/corporatewatch/paywatch/ceou/database.cfm
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1. December 2009 @ 23:13 |
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wow...did you guys even read the article or understand it?
most of you guys are off-topic
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"In the document, it is pointed out that a 1U server with two 3.2GHz cell processors can cost $8,000, while two Sony PS3s cost about $600. This is justified even though the PS3-spec chips deliver 150GFLOPS of performance compared to 200GFLOPS of a standard 3.2GHz IBM Cell microprocessor."
OK let me break it down for you
-one 1U server with two cell processors cost $8,000
-two PS3 with one cell processors for each PS3 cost $600
-1U server cell processor can deliver over 200 GFLOPS
-PS3 configuration delivers approximately 150 GFLOPS
its all come down to cost
$8,000(one 1U server) - $600(two PS3) = $7,400
so, for ever two PS3 they buy DoD save $7,400 compare to buying one 1U server for $8,000
clearly DoD just wanted the PS3 cell processor/chips not the hole PS3 or not to use it to run Linux
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1. December 2009 @ 23:15 |
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wow...did you guys even read the article or understand it?
most of you guys are off-topic
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"In the document, it is pointed out that a 1U server with two 3.2GHz cell processors can cost $8,000, while two Sony PS3s cost about $600. This is justified even though the PS3-spec chips deliver 150GFLOPS of performance compared to 200GFLOPS of a standard 3.2GHz IBM Cell microprocessor."
OK let me break it down for you
-one 1U server with two cell processors cost $8,000
-two PS3 with one cell processors for each PS3 cost $600
-1U server cell processor can deliver over 200 GFLOPS
-PS3 configuration delivers approximately 150 GFLOPS
its all come down to cost
$8,000(one 1U server) - $600(two PS3) = $7,400
so, for ever two PS3 they buy DoD save $7,400 compare to buying one 1U server for $8,000
clearly DoD just wanted the PS3 cell processor/chips not the hole PS3 or not to use it to run Linux
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1. December 2009 @ 23:44 |
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Originally posted by escalante:
Back on topic...
The article says that the PS3's are running a version of Linux. I seem to recall reading somewhere that the PS3's full power is not available in Linux, that not all the cores are available for use. If they are using these PS3's as part of a supercomputer, I bet they want all the power they can get. So how are they utilizing the PS3's full power? Can this lead to some sort of hack? I may be wrong, but it's just a thought i was having.
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It is true that linux on the PS3 is downright worthless for many things, but it does allow you to use the PS3 cell engine as a very powerfull data processing engine if you write the code correctly.
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what is the big deal about wanting Linux on the ps3 i had it on mine and i couldn't run much due to it being a PPC processor and not Intel as most apps are programed for Intel and in the end my ps3 had a defect and i traded it in for the slim and all i can say is i use Linux on the slim as much as i would on the fat as i never used it in the first place except to experiment with it
i will stick with my tri-booted laptop (mac, linux, windows) rather than Linux on a ps3
PS3 linux is still at a very early state...they have not even developed a 3D video driver yet. It will evolve, and other "Other OS" options will probably also emerge...there is already one "Other OS" that turns your PS3 into a HD video encoder, and there may be more on the way soon...
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1. December 2009 @ 23:50 |
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Originally posted by escalante:
Back on topic...
The article says that the PS3's are running a version of Linux. I seem to recall reading somewhere that the PS3's full power is not available in Linux, that not all the cores are available for use. If they are using these PS3's as part of a supercomputer, I bet they want all the power they can get. So how are they utilizing the PS3's full power? Can this lead to some sort of hack? I may be wrong, but it's just a thought i was having.
You just don't have access to the RSX GPU, which is totally unneeded for Linux clustering.
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Originally posted by xnonsuchx:
Originally posted by escalante:
Back on topic...
The article says that the PS3's are running a version of Linux. I seem to recall reading somewhere that the PS3's full power is not available in Linux, that not all the cores are available for use. If they are using these PS3's as part of a supercomputer, I bet they want all the power they can get. So how are they utilizing the PS3's full power? Can this lead to some sort of hack? I may be wrong, but it's just a thought i was having.
You just don't have access to the RSX GPU, which is totally unneeded for Linux clustering.
You do have access to the RSX...you just can't use it because no one has writen a linux compatable driver for it. Even if such a driver existed, it would not help much...the PS3 has so little memory that it has to dissable custom XMB icons when games are running.
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Its never about making government more efficient, just expanding government and raising taxes.
I couldn't agree more, especially with these liberals in office. Bush wasn't much better though. What we Americans need is a Ronald Reagan; a true republican that respects the constitution and our freedoms. What I can't wrap my head around with the current administration is how they blatantly tax the rich left and right. Since when is there a limit on how successful your career can be!? This is still America for god's sake. Well people the reason why this is happening is simple, GREED. That is why Obama got elected. And then there is welfare. Why try in school and get into a nice college if when you get a nice paying job, Uncle Sam comes along and takes %45 of that. You might as well just sit on your couch and collect social security and welfare. This is why the unemployment rate isn't going down anytime soon.
We need a Ronald "Puddin Head" Reagan for what? to hold our heads underwater @ 10%+ unemployment for 3 yrs..? How soon reality fades, and fantasy takes hold..
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Good thing they didn't use the Xbox 360. It's bad enough that it has no games and would force them to pay to go online but can you imagine if it got the RROD right in the middle of a war? "Turn on the defence system!"........."I can't. All i see are 3 red lights.".
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The PS3 purchase was actually their 3rd investment.
The 1st was then they ordered 2200 Wii's a couple years ago to do the same thing. They are proud to say that the combined power of the Wii's has actually almost counted to 100 as of November 30 of this year. A proud moment.
The 2nd purchase was last month when they bought and paid for 2200 360's only to realize they were all banned. That will teach them for buying from Craigslist off some guy named Eddie. Man is their face red!
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Right when WWIII begins, they are all going to get Yellow Lights Of Death...
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2. December 2009 @ 09:04 |
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Originally posted by killerbug:
Originally posted by xnonsuchx:
You just don't have access to the RSX GPU, which is totally unneeded for Linux clustering.
You do have access to the RSX...you just can't use it because no one has writen a linux compatable driver for it. Even if such a driver existed, it would not help much...the PS3 has so little memory that it has to dissable custom XMB icons when games are running.
Gee! You better tell the PS3 Linux community of your vast knowledge since they agree with Sony's OWN info that the RSX is off limits in the 'Other OS' option (except in some very early firmwares, apparently). I KNEW there was a reason I usually avoid reading your and Zippy's utterly un-knowledgeable, knee-jerk posts. That's why they have some Cell-based graphics acceleration now.
It still doesn't matter at all for Linux clustering.
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Probably just a cover so they can play MW2 at work.
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2. December 2009 @ 09:54 |
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Seriously. You can't believe the government is SAVING money by buying toys to build a Supercomputer?
Do you think they cancelled 2200 IBM HP or DELL 1U servers to buy PS3's? Just the cooling racks required for these PS3's will cost more than $2500. Non-standard Linux implementations need manhours of support. How exactly are they saving money?
Bam431 has it right.
They are too embarrassed to say that they will use these to run MW2 type war simulations. Now there is the savings. Professionel Simulators are extremely expensive.
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Originally posted by joepet200:
Seriously. You can't believe the government is SAVING money by buying toys to build a Supercomputer?
Do you think they cancelled 2200 IBM HP or DELL 1U servers to buy PS3's? Just the cooling racks required for these PS3's will cost more than $2500. Non-standard Linux implementations need manhours of support. How exactly are they saving money?
I wasn't aware Fedora/RedHat, Ubuntu and others were "non-standard Linux"...what are you smoking? ;-) And yes, it DOES end up being a lot less expensive.
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Originally posted by xnonsuchx:
Gee! You better tell the PS3 Linux community of your vast knowledge since they agree with Sony's OWN info that the RSX is off limits in the 'Other OS' option (except in some very early firmwares, apparently). I KNEW there was a reason I usually avoid reading your and Zippy's utterly un-knowledgeable, knee-jerk posts. That's why they have some Cell-based graphics acceleration now.
You got it...you don't need the latest firmware when you are building a cluster...no need for the PSN, so no need for firmware updates. I assure you that the dOd can write a hacked firmware...or even a "game" that would act as linux (with RSX support) even on the slimline.
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Originally posted by xnonsuchx:
Originally posted by killerbug:
Originally posted by xnonsuchx:
You just don't have access to the RSX GPU, which is totally unneeded for Linux clustering.
You do have access to the RSX...you just can't use it because no one has writen a linux compatable driver for it. Even if such a driver existed, it would not help much...the PS3 has so little memory that it has to dissable custom XMB icons when games are running.
Gee! You better tell the PS3 Linux community of your vast knowledge since they agree with Sony's OWN info that the RSX is off limits in the 'Other OS' option (except in some very early firmwares, apparently). I KNEW there was a reason I usually avoid reading your and Zippy's utterly un-knowledgeable, knee-jerk posts. That's why they have some Cell-based graphics acceleration now.
It still doesn't matter at all for Linux clustering.
hey my posts are half truth(s) and half lulz you don't read my posts you experience them!
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"(Disclaimer, side effects from reading this article include, impotence, lack of energy, eyestrain, guy busting, incontinence, incoherence, lowering of the IQ, erectile dysfunction, headaches, confusion, joy, suffering, frustration, madness, envy, and the rare rare side effect to give all your basses/money to zippy , thank you for taking the time to try and read this :P)"
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Copyright infringement is nothing more than civil disobedience to a bad set of laws. Lets renegotiate them.
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Originally posted by HUNCHBAK:
How we got to this point in the world I don't understand but as a nation we are still the best, the ones with the most protection for our citizens,the freest. That is why people sneak out of other countries and into ours not the other way around. Remind me again who's country is passing laws to ban people from the internet? Who's country's are or have already stripped most of the people from the right to own firearms? It isn't what the law is specifically the point is they are laws to strip citizens of freedoms. Are we perfect no,is a portion of the govt corrupt..yeah but that is a human condition and it happens in every country.
If you think that having a gun is freedom than you have some seriously *bleep* moral values. Anti-firearms laws were put in place in countries like Australia to stop horrific acts of terrorism, like the Port Arthur Massacre. Things like that are still happening in America. By your definition of freedom, imprisoning murderers and rapists is wrong.
If there was no "laws to strip citizens of freedoms" then there would be Anarchy.
Originally posted by ZippyDSM:
"(Disclaimer, side effects from reading this article include, impotence, lack of energy, eyestrain, guy busting, incontinence, incoherence, lowering of the IQ, erectile dysfunction, headaches, confusion, joy, suffering, frustration, madness, envy, and the rare rare side effect to give all your basses/money to zippy , thank you for taking the time to try and read this :P)"
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You forgot involuntary bowel movements and sudden realisation of how gay "lolcatz" talk is.
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If there was no "laws to strip citizens of freedoms" then there would be Anarchy.
I don't see how Anarchy would be a bad thing but You're right about the guns.
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Originally posted by joepet200:
Seriously. You can't believe the government is SAVING money by buying toys to build a Supercomputer?
Do you think they cancelled 2200 IBM HP or DELL 1U servers to buy PS3's? Just the cooling racks required for these PS3's will cost more than $2500. Non-standard Linux implementations need manhours of support. How exactly are they saving money?
I wasn't aware Fedora/RedHat, Ubuntu and others were "non-standard Linux"...what are you smoking? ;-) And yes, it DOES end up being a lot less expensive.
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Originally posted by joepet200:
Seriously. You can't believe the government is SAVING money by buying toys to build a Supercomputer?
Do you think they cancelled 2200 IBM HP or DELL 1U servers to buy PS3's? Just the cooling racks required for these PS3's will cost more than $2500. Non-standard Linux implementations need manhours of support. How exactly are they saving money?
I wasn't aware Fedora/RedHat, Ubuntu and others were "non-standard Linux"...what are you smoking? ;-) And yes, it DOES end up being a lot less expensive.
I may be smoken weed up here in Canada (the free-est country in the world- just ask my beaver). But I doubt the DoD is using Ubuntu on PS3's to save a few bucks while your boys are depending on that data to find Bin Laden. Toke?
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Originally posted by HUNCHBAK:
How we got to this point in the world I don't understand but as a nation we are still the best, the ones with the most protection for our citizens,the freest. That is why people sneak out of other countries and into ours not the other way around. Remind me again who's country is passing laws to ban people from the internet? Who's country's are or have already stripped most of the people from the right to own firearms? It isn't what the law is specifically the point is they are laws to strip citizens of freedoms. Are we perfect no,is a portion of the govt corrupt..yeah but that is a human condition and it happens in every country.
If you think that having a gun is freedom than you have some seriously *bleep* moral values. Anti-firearms laws were put in place in countries like Australia to stop horrific acts of terrorism, like the Port Arthur Massacre. Things like that are still happening in America. By your definition of freedom, imprisoning murderers and rapists is wrong.
If there was no "laws to strip citizens of freedoms" then there would be Anarchy.
Originally posted by ZippyDSM:
"(Disclaimer, side effects from reading this article include, impotence, lack of energy, eyestrain, guy busting, incontinence, incoherence, lowering of the IQ, erectile dysfunction, headaches, confusion, joy, suffering, frustration, madness, envy, and the rare rare side effect to give all your basses/money to zippy , thank you for taking the time to try and read this :P)"
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You forgot involuntary bowel movements and sudden realisation of how gay "lolcatz" talk is.
Meh gay can be fun its all in how its done lolcatz fun twilight not fun, you see? :P
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Its never about making government more efficient, just expanding government and raising taxes.
I couldn't agree more, especially with these liberals in office. Bush wasn't much better though. What we Americans need is a Ronald Reagan; a true republican that respects the constitution and our freedoms. What I can't wrap my head around with the current administration is how they blatantly tax the rich left and right. Since when is there a limit on how successful your career can be!? This is still America for god's sake. Well people the reason why this is happening is simple, GREED. That is why Obama got elected. And then there is welfare. Why try in school and get into a nice college if when you get a nice paying job, Uncle Sam comes along and takes %45 of that. You might as well just sit on your couch and collect social security and welfare. This is why the unemployment rate isn't going down anytime soon.
please do the research. The reason the country is i. The situation economically today with thousands losing homes, jobs, the stock market dropping few years back, etc.. is because of an idiot named bush. Don't understand why the rich are being taxed? Wake up, bc they have been raping the rest of the country for years. I'm not saying a business owner should always receive higher taxes but when I get a bill in the mail from a hospital totaling $1000, I contact the hospital to let them know my insurance company needs to pay their share first, then I get a bill after my insurance pays but the hospital gives them a big 60 percent discount And they end up only having topay $400. Now people you don't have to be a genius to figure out that most of the Americans are middle class status so why are these insurance companies giving these rich multibillion dollars companies discounts instead of you and me? The answer to your question as to why a lot of these huge companies deserve to be taxed higher is bc they waste money. Just like AIG who borrowed all that money from the government, our tax dollars mind you, and then gave a number of employees bonuses.
Some of these bonuses were $400,000 to more than $1,000,000 per person. Now that is a hell of a bonus to be giving out when a company just filed bankrupt and got a loan from the government.
Second George bush is to blame bc 9-11-01 started a lot of this crap. Not saying we didnot already have problems but a lot of amercas current problems are runoffs of poor idiotic decisions bush made while in office. You really need to do the research and find the truth that bush was warned a month ahead that alqida was possibly planning an attack on us soil that involved hijacking of planes and he did nothing. Didn't put the country on alert, order an investigation or anything. Do the research to find out why Collin Powell resigned from his positio on bushes cabinent bc he didnot want his name associated with any mistakes bush made in his past. Powell wasnot alone as others resigned from bushes cabinent as well following the governments investigation to find out if bush had actually been warned of the impending 9-11 or not. Well the government found out that bush and condelleza rice both lied saying that had no idea when they had indeed been warned. The twin towers destruction, thousands who lost their lives and loved ones and the after shock that led to a war and this countries current status is on the head of George bush.
Ps .. For any disbelievers... Seriosly all jokes aside... If you want to discredit anything I posted here do the research and you will be shocked to find I am not posting my opinion. Our government did the research and investigation on 9-11 and it is not hard to find out the results after they interrogated bush and rice.
link on bush being warned before 9-11 happened
http://archives.cnn.com/2002/US/05/15/bush.sept.11/index.html
link on collin powell and others resigning
http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/11/15/powell/index.html
copy of memorandum FBI gave bush warning of alquaidas threat to attack
http://www.fas.org/irp/cia/product/pdb080601.pdf
The actual video can be found all over the internet of the 9-11 investigation. Or just watch documentary, Farenheit 911, and then research more if still in disbelief.
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