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RROD - X Clamp Question
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matt54321
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7. December 2009 @ 11:17 |
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Can someone please advise me as to why removing the X Clamp helps with the whole process, is it because the clamp conducts heat to the board? or is there another reason
Any responses appreciated, thanks
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7. December 2009 @ 11:28 |
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hi matt
its the whole lack of design on M$ that causes the rrod in the 1st place. it seems the x-clamps they use are not man enough for the job intended and allow the mobo to warp around the cpu and gpu thus allowing the heatsink to lift away from the die's they are supposed to be cooling...... = rrod
hopefully thats sort of what happens :)
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matt54321
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7. December 2009 @ 11:41 |
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Cool cheers toast
I was just wondering if its worth pre-empting it and doing the fix before it happens (we all know they do it at some point lol)
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gameover9
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7. December 2009 @ 11:54 |
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Do not do the xclamp fix. This is not the problem. The problem is the solder on the motherboard, cracks and causes bad connection, therefore RROD. You need a reflow to fix it right. Doing the xclamp is just a temp way and bad way of fixing it. Xclamp fixes ruin the motherboard and cause it to warp. PM me if you want a reflow and it fixed properly.
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7. December 2009 @ 13:54 |
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i dunno about that cause i did the xclamp fix and its been running great for over 2 and a half months and between me my sister and my bro it gets well over 8 hours or more a day in gaming not everyday though...but i watch movies on it mma events etc those can run up to 4 hours...just follow the tutorial proper and screw those feckers down tight and it should work
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gameover9
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7. December 2009 @ 13:57 |
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Originally posted by XEidelonX:
i dunno about that cause i did the xclamp fix and its been running great for over 2 and a half months and between me my sister and my bro it gets well over 8 hours or more a day in gaming not everyday though...but i watch movies on it mma events etc those can run up to 4 hours...just follow the tutorial proper and screw those feckers down tight and it should work
It will break, they all do in time
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7. December 2009 @ 14:50 |
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Originally posted by gameover9:
Originally posted by XEidelonX:
i dunno about that cause i did the xclamp fix and its been running great for over 2 and a half months and between me my sister and my bro it gets well over 8 hours or more a day in gaming not everyday though...but i watch movies on it mma events etc those can run up to 4 hours...just follow the tutorial proper and screw those feckers down tight and it should work
It will break, they all do in time
you're probably very right ..to be honest i expect to wake up and turn my xbox on and see a red ring everyday lol im surprised its been going this long
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7. December 2009 @ 15:46 |
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Originally posted by XEidelonX:
Originally posted by gameover9:
Originally posted by XEidelonX:
i dunno about that cause i did the xclamp fix and its been running great for over 2 and a half months and between me my sister and my bro it gets well over 8 hours or more a day in gaming not everyday though...but i watch movies on it mma events etc those can run up to 4 hours...just follow the tutorial proper and screw those feckers down tight and it should work
It will break, they all do in time
you're probably very right ..to be honest i expect to wake up and turn my xbox on and see a red ring everyday lol im surprised its been going this long
fair comment mr gameover but unfortunately a large majority have no access to a kind friend or forum memeber to offer a reflow service and to send it away to be done costs just as much as a new unit :( so for a paltry £3 or $5 you can potentially have another 2 years of gaming as i have from my first repair?
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7. December 2009 @ 15:55 |
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i recently had mine reflowed for £25 hardly the cost of a new machine really, if you dont know anyone who offers the service i can understand the temptation of the x clamp fix, but id rather have the piece of mind in knowing that the problem is solved properly for the extra cost.
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7. December 2009 @ 21:17 |
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The problem with the x-clamp is they cause flexing. The flexing breaks the solder. This is what gives you the red ring. If you simply replace the x-clamp, you still have broken solder. Sure the solder may still touch after the x-clamps are gone but I can almost guarantee that the RRoD will eventually come back. For a (more) permanent fix replace the x-clamps AND do the reflow. Reflow is easy...just takes a $20 heatgun from walmart and a little patience and studying to be sure you get the process right.
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7. December 2009 @ 22:14 |
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well the thing is in the tuts they say do the overheat trick and that causes the solder to reflow and then you finish screwing it in even tighter on top of that so...its all up to op =)
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7. December 2009 @ 22:39 |
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lead free solder melts at over 400*F...the system's not gonna get that hot just by overheating. Most "overheat tricks" i've seen like the towel trick will only likely damage the board futher. People have claimed putting it in the oven would work too, and while it may get up to the proper temps you're likely to end up with blown capacitors. Trust me, $20 heatgun is totally worth it. I've fixed 20+ 360s for people from craigslist with just x-clamp and heatgun and have never had a return. Certainly made back my initial investment on it that's for sure (and now I have a non-banned 360 that's ready for live as soon as LT comes out...only cost me $30 for the system)
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matt54321
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9. December 2009 @ 08:04 |
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Thanks for all the responses guys, to clarify.
Once the board has been reflowed so to speak do you reuse the xclamp? or use 4 bolts with nylon/steel washers to take up the gap.
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gameover9
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9. December 2009 @ 08:27 |
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Originally posted by matt54321:
Thanks for all the responses guys, to clarify.
Once the board has been reflowed so to speak do you reuse the xclamp? or use 4 bolts with nylon/steel washers to take up the gap.
I reuse the originial xclamps. You can only reflow if you own a reflow station.
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matt54321
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9. December 2009 @ 09:53 |
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Thanks for your opinion it is appreciated :)
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gameover9
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9. December 2009 @ 13:25 |
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Originally posted by Toaster68:
Originally posted by XEidelonX:
Originally posted by gameover9:
Originally posted by XEidelonX:
i dunno about that cause i did the xclamp fix and its been running great for over 2 and a half months and between me my sister and my bro it gets well over 8 hours or more a day in gaming not everyday though...but i watch movies on it mma events etc those can run up to 4 hours...just follow the tutorial proper and screw those feckers down tight and it should work
It will break, they all do in time
you're probably very right ..to be honest i expect to wake up and turn my xbox on and see a red ring everyday lol im surprised its been going this long
fair comment mr gameover but unfortunately a large majority have no access to a kind friend or forum memeber to offer a reflow service and to send it away to be done costs just as much as a new unit :( so for a paltry £3 or $5 you can potentially have another 2 years of gaming as i have from my first repair?
I offer reflowing worldwide. PM me.
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SHADOWZ9
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12. December 2009 @ 02:45 |
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Originally posted by rikdee:
i recently had mine reflowed for £25 hardly the cost of a new machine really, if you dont know anyone who offers the service i can understand the temptation of the x clamp fix, but id rather have the piece of mind in knowing that the problem is solved properly for the extra cost.
Depends on who does it and with what a reflow station or a heatgun if the solder does not reach the right temperatures then its temporary at best as effective as putting the fan over the dvd drive and letting the gpu overheat itself. putting any heat on a board you can easily blow components and get errors 0001 0002 if your not careful. Ive done The xclamp fix to a previously 3 ring xbox (no reflow) and it still runs good a year later so go figure (also has an upgraded fan).
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12. December 2009 @ 15:46 |
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Originally posted by gameover9:
Originally posted by matt54321:
Thanks for all the responses guys, to clarify.
Once the board has been reflowed so to speak do you reuse the xclamp? or use 4 bolts with nylon/steel washers to take up the gap.
I reuse the originial xclamps. You can only reflow if you own a reflow station.
wtf lol? Why would you reuse the original x-clamps when they're the ones that causes the solder to break? Return customers? And no, you can definitely reflow with a heatgun. They certainly get hot enough to melt the solder, so how is that not a reflow? The only people I ever see who say "you can only reflow with a reflow station" are people like gameover9 that have bought these expensive machines and are trying to recoup their cost by offering reflow services (and spread bullshit about people who use other methods because they want the business all for themselves)
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opt_prime
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12. December 2009 @ 21:56 |
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my xbox 360 rrod like its on drugs. it freezes and I have done rrod fix a thousand times. I also have something loose on my motherboard it makes a noise like something isloose wen u move the motherboard.. could reflow fix this? does anyone know anything bout things bein loose on the gpu? help plz...
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12. December 2009 @ 22:06 |
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Originally posted by opt_prime:
my xbox 360 rrod like its on drugs. it freezes and I have done rrod fix a thousand times. I also have something loose on my motherboard it makes a noise like something isloose wen u move the motherboard.. could reflow fix this? does anyone know anything bout things bein loose on the gpu? help plz...
actually, that weird rattling noise is a little ball inside the 360 that lets it detect if the system is vertical or horizontal and then adjust the ring of light so that it's always the same no matter which position (ie p1 light is always top left). And yes, you're saying you did the rrod fix so i'm assuming that means you overheated it in some way...you havent got the system hot enough to melt the solder so you do need a reflow.
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opt_prime
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12. December 2009 @ 22:13 |
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thanks a lot
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SHADOWZ9
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12. December 2009 @ 22:22 |
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Originally posted by w00ly:
Originally posted by opt_prime:
my xbox 360 rrod like its on drugs. it freezes and I have done rrod fix a thousand times. I also have something loose on my motherboard it makes a noise like something isloose wen u move the motherboard.. could reflow fix this? does anyone know anything bout things bein loose on the gpu? help plz...
actually, that weird rattling noise is a little ball inside the 360 that lets it detect if the system is vertical or horizontal and then adjust the ring of light so that it's always the same no matter which position (ie p1 light is always top left). And yes, you're saying you did the rrod fix so i'm assuming that means you overheated it in some way...you havent got the system hot enough to melt the solder so you do need a reflow.
ha so that's how it knows......... I never even noticed it knew either lol
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dgrandt
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13. December 2009 @ 17:16 |
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You simply do not need a reflow station if you are only doing the repair to your own xBox and maybe a friend or two. Grab some flux and a $20 heat gun and you will do just fine. Make sure that you use some flux though - as most people who do the x-clamp repair just do a "lazy-man" reflow by using the heat generated from the CPU/GPU themselves to soften the solder. This works okay the first time, but without the application of flux, the solder will dry up and crack even worse over time.
A reflow station is only something you would want if you were going to be doing this to many, many MBs. You obviously wouldn't want to be doing reflows all day every day with a heat gun. Just like if you are doing brakes on cars all day you would want a nice shop full of nice shop stuff to do your work all day every day. But that doesn't mean someone can't do a good brake job on their own car in their own driveway...
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