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Xbox 720 Features - Got To Know!
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liquidwtr
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13. December 2009 @ 23:03 |
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sorry for double
however i expect that by the time 720 comes out, we'll see sd cards possible the size of 256Gb-1TB in size(i'm being serious here)
edit: lol, i just found the edit button, didn't realize it was the icon
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13. December 2009 @ 23:15 |
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SD cards won't happen because they would make piracy far too easy, just look at the DS.
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14. December 2009 @ 10:51 |
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yeah, i think on the next system Microsoft is really gonna try to focus on piracy after seeing how easy it was on the xbox 360. i also wonder what the iso size is going to be. it'll probably at least double.
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WJ99
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14. December 2009 @ 11:00 |
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I'm pretty sure I saw a report with a MS employee confirming that there was going to be a blu-ray add on to the 360.
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14. December 2009 @ 12:50 |
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It'll be BluRay
SD cards won't work. Right now games cost 60 bucks. A Verbatim DVD+R DL costs you and me $2.00 if it's not on sale. So buying in tremendous bulk, Microsoft is spending no more than the same for retail DVDs. That leaves 58 dollars to split up amongst publishers, developers, printers, distributors, retailers, etc.
Seeing as to how the next Xbox needs a larger storage medium, an SD card would have to be at least 32 GB, and the cheapest I see those are about 70 dollars. So in a few years, they'll be half the price, and Microsoft will be getting them for, lets say, $20, maybe $22 in bulk. That leaves them "only" 40 dollars to split for profit.
So the media needs to be cheap as possible, and size for size, "cartridge/card media will never be as cheap as optical media.
So BluRay it is, unless the decide to do what Sega did with DreamCast, and make an entirely new optical drive (i.e. GD-ROM), to combat piracy, as BluRay will be mainstream by then, and BluRay burners and discs won't be expensive anymore.
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putaro05
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14. December 2009 @ 16:48 |
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Originally posted by eebeejay:
It'll be BluRay
SD cards won't work. Right now games cost 60 bucks. A Verbatim DVD+R DL costs you and me $2.00 if it's not on sale. So buying in tremendous bulk, Microsoft is spending no more than the same for retail DVDs. That leaves 58 dollars to split up amongst publishers, developers, printers, distributors, retailers, etc.
Seeing as to how the next Xbox needs a larger storage medium, an SD card would have to be at least 32 GB, and the cheapest I see those are about 70 dollars. So in a few years, they'll be half the price, and Microsoft will be getting them for, lets say, $20, maybe $22 in bulk. That leaves them "only" 40 dollars to split for profit.
So the media needs to be cheap as possible, and size for size, "cartridge/card media will never be as cheap as optical media.
So BluRay it is, unless the decide to do what Sega did with DreamCast, and make an entirely new optical drive (i.e. GD-ROM), to combat piracy, as BluRay will be mainstream by then, and BluRay burners and discs won't be expensive anymore.
Dreamcast was the easiest to pirate, all you needed was a boot disc.
And, actually, they raise the price of games pretty much every time a new system comes out, so the games probably won't cost 60 [Xbox 1 games were 50, xbox 360 now 60 (same with ps3)]. I don't want to say that they will never put games on an sd card however; I don't see it happening anytime soon. I think by the time the next system comes out, there will be something more efficient than blu-ray (preferably not a disc).
Not trying to be a troll at all eebeejay btw, just providing some input.
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CrisKahn2
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14. December 2009 @ 18:16 |
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I still think it will be digital download. Kind of like the PSP Go. Which is an epic fail because its too early for that. If the console will be released sometime within the next 3-5 years, Im sure digital download would have cought on by then. And by that time 1TB+ HDDs will be more common and a lot cheaper.
The 360 already has games for download. Im sure MS will stick to that. They will perfect what Sony couldnt do with the PSP Go. XBL is super sucessful and within the next 3-5 years its only going to get better. And besides a console without an optical drive would be cheaper for everyone. It would also have less fail rates and harder to pirate.
Oh and if MS is really going to make a console with 720 bit processor Blu ray wouldnt even work on it because it can only handle a certain amount....I forgot how much I read it online yesterday and couldnt find the website.
PS3...it only does everything(that Sony allows it to)
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14. December 2009 @ 22:02 |
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Originally posted by CrisKahn2:
I still think it will be digital download. Kind of like the PSP Go. Which is an epic fail because its too early for that. If the console will be released sometime within the next 3-5 years, Im sure digital download would have cought on by then. And by that time 1TB+ HDDs will be more common and a lot cheaper.
The 360 already has games for download. Im sure MS will stick to that. They will perfect what Sony couldnt do with the PSP Go. XBL is super sucessful and within the next 3-5 years its only going to get better. And besides a console without an optical drive would be cheaper for everyone. It would also have less fail rates and harder to pirate.
Oh and if MS is really going to make a console with 720 bit processor Blu ray wouldnt even work on it because it can only handle a certain amount....I forgot how much I read it online yesterday and couldnt find the website.
I really dont see it having only digital downloads, im sure they will have a lot more, but i dont think it will be exclusively digital downloads. i mean yeah pretty much everybody has the internet now days but there still is some people that dont, and theres people that just dont want xbox live if they really dont play online games. im sure the hard drives will be bigger but i doubt a TB for a game console lets just say they made a 500gb one. what happens when you run out of space? buy another one or delete some of your games? maybe they would make it so you could delete them then redownload them if you already purchased them, or they could let you use your own hard drive like the ps3, but what if you wanted to play at your friends house, it would be a pain to take a hardrive instead of just a disc, and say your done with a game or bored with it, you wouldnt be able to trade it in at a store for credit or another game so you'd be stuck with a game you dont want anymore. i think eventually in the future they'll move towards only digital downloads but i really dont see it happening anytime soon.
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CrisKahn2
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14. December 2009 @ 22:19 |
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Thats my point. It wont be anytime soon thats why PSP Go is a fail. We are talking 5 years down the road. A 1TB drive would be cheap by then. Im sure everyone will have internet in 5 years. I dont even buy dvds or blu rays anymore (except a select few) because I just netflix stream them or download them. It already happened with music. Ppl are still buying CDs yes but its decreasng every year. While itunes purchases and ipod sales increase every year. Video games will catch on the digital download as well.
Good point about the game trading and bringing it to a friends house tho.
PS3...it only does everything(that Sony allows it to)
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14. December 2009 @ 22:28 |
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Originally posted by CrisKahn2:
Im sure everyone will have internet in 5 years.
There are people who still don't have indoor plumbing.
The biggest problem with the pspgo isn't the digit dl's, it's the digit dl's costing the same as the actual game. If people are going to pay the exact same price, they'd rather have the hard copy. At least then they can sell or trade their disc and recoup some of it's value.
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14. December 2009 @ 22:42 |
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also game sizes are going to keep getting bigger. lets say by next gen they double in size, which they probably will, thats around 16gb or more. think of how annoying it would be downloading that.
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KajNrig
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14. December 2009 @ 22:56 |
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A suggestion for media type: holographic discs.
I know it's being worked on right now, with max sizes topping out at 10TB. That'd be more than enough space for any of the foreseeable games. (Heck, BluRays are already more than enough space for all games except major PS3 exclusives.)
But if MS wants to try to top Sony, that might be a possible route to go. Highly unlikely they'd resort to that, but still possible.
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liquidwtr
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14. December 2009 @ 23:03 |
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Originally posted by CrisKahn2:
Thats my point. It wont be anytime soon thats why PSP Go is a fail. We are talking 5 years down the road. A 1TB drive would be cheap by then. Im sure everyone will have internet in 5 years. I dont even buy dvds or blu rays anymore (except a select few) because I just netflix stream them or download them. It already happened with music. Ppl are still buying CDs yes but its decreasng every year. While itunes purchases and ipod sales increase every year. Video games will catch on the digital download as well.
Good point about the game trading and bringing it to a friends house tho.
a music or movie is usually under 1gb, 1 real game is at the very least usually 5gigs in size, and digital downloading has to hope that A. the person doesn't have a bandwidth cap(for example i have a cap of 5gigs) and B. the person has to have at least a 1-2mb dl speed for it even close to be feasible
honestly i never see hard copies going away until the entire world has 100mb up/down speed wireless everywhere, otherwise your just alienating from anyone whom doesn't have the greatest internet connection
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John_Donn
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14. December 2009 @ 23:09 |
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downloads will def be available but they will still be hard disc copies. Im sure it will be blueray but sd cards are the future. also the next xbox will have a SSD instead of the old school hard drives
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tavek
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14. December 2009 @ 23:47 |
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Minimum req, I say
quad core
at least as powerful as 9600 nvidia cards
MP3 friendly
built in wifi
Blue ray disc
250gb MIN hrd drive
1gb dedicated mobo mem
Feel free to add on.
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15. December 2009 @ 00:00 |
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Originally posted by tavek:
Minimum req, I say
quad core
at least as powerful as 9600 nvidia cards
MP3 friendly
built in wifi
Blue ray disc
250gb MIN hrd drive
1gb dedicated mobo mem
Feel free to add on.
- adequate cooling
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chris4160
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15. December 2009 @ 00:12 |
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Originally posted by tavek:
Minimum req, I say
quad core
at least as powerful as 9600 nvidia cards
MP3 friendly
built in wifi
Blue ray disc
250gb MIN hrd drive
1gb dedicated mobo mem
Feel free to add on.
Bluetooth for bluetooth headsets, mobiles etc.
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tavek
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15. December 2009 @ 10:42 |
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Updated
Minimum req, I say
quad core
at least as powerful as 9600 nvidia cards
MP3 friendly
built in wifi
Blue ray disc (8x) max speed(most content should go to hard drive for faster play & less cd usage(spin noise)
250gb MIN hrd drive
1gb dedicated mobo mem
Bluetooth for bluetooth headsets, mobiles etc.
adequate cooling (maybe fans un for 5 min after shut off)
Heres a NEW one, allowing you to use PC headset mics, like those cool logitech ones
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15. December 2009 @ 10:55 |
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Originally posted by tavek:
Updated
Minimum req, I say
quad core
at least as powerful as 9600 nvidia cards
MP3 friendly
built in wifi
Blue ray disc (8x) max speed(most content should go to hard drive for faster play & less cd usage(spin noise)
250gb MIN hrd drive
1gb dedicated mobo mem
Bluetooth for bluetooth headsets, mobiles etc.
adequate cooling (maybe fans un for 5 min after shut off)
Heres a NEW one, allowing you to use PC headset mics, like those cool logitech ones
- web browser
- internal hdd - user upgradeable (they should learn from the competition, right?)
- kb / mouse support
- case color more home theater color friendly (this white is terrible)
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15. December 2009 @ 11:07 |
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Originally posted by eebeejay:
Originally posted by Petries:
It will almost certainly have a Bluray drive, the storage will become necessary at that point.
Exactly. They are gonna need something bigger than DVDs, and BluRay will be the only mainstream media on the market much bigger than DVD.
man those B!itchez are gona take forever to download!!
"This console has been banned from Xbox LIVE for violating terms of service, Yada yada yada..."
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wooii
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15. December 2009 @ 11:11 |
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http://www.gamersworldbd.com/2008/06/xbox-720.html
End of story. Go read.
Although keep in mind it may not be Blu-Ray but in-fact what Sony is now working on. A disc that can hold up to 6TB that's Terabytes of data on one single disc. ;)
As for the PC Headsets?? Go buy a pair of Astro A40's and your gaming is simplified. Fits into pretty much any headphone slot, and is amazing quality.
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tavek
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15. December 2009 @ 11:16 |
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Originally posted by wooii:
http://www.gamersworldbd.com/2008/06/xbox-720.html
End of story. Go read.
Although keep in mind it may not be Blu-Ray but in-fact what Sony is now working on. A disc that can hold up to 6TB that's Terabytes of data on one single disc. ;)
As for the PC Headsets?? Go buy a pair of Astro A40's and your gaming is simplified. Fits into pretty much any headphone slot, and is amazing quality.
Wearign a headset like that just SHOUTS u dont get L@ID!
Internet gangster
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15. December 2009 @ 11:16 |
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Originally posted by wooii:
http://www.gamersworldbd.com/2008/06/xbox-720.html
End of story. Go read.
Although keep in mind it may not be Blu-Ray but in-fact what Sony is now working on. A disc that can hold up to 6TB that's Terabytes of data on one single disc. ;)
As for the PC Headsets?? Go buy a pair of Astro A40's and your gaming is simplified. Fits into pretty much any headphone slot, and is amazing quality.
That article is from 2008. And besides, they're doing the same thing as this thread... spectulating.
I was looking at the a40's a short while back. I use the Tritton AXPro's right now. They're alright for the money. I tried a friends set of Turtle Beaches and the Tritton's are well worth the little more $$$.
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wooii
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15. December 2009 @ 11:20 |
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Originally posted by tavek:
Originally posted by wooii:
http://www.gamersworldbd.com/2008/06/xbox-720.html
End of story. Go read.
Although keep in mind it may not be Blu-Ray but in-fact what Sony is now working on. A disc that can hold up to 6TB that's Terabytes of data on one single disc. ;)
As for the PC Headsets?? Go buy a pair of Astro A40's and your gaming is simplified. Fits into pretty much any headphone slot, and is amazing quality.
Wearing* a headset like that just SPELLS u dont get L@ID!
Fixed your spelling mistake. I don't get laid yet I'm engaged? Kkthxbai. Care to show me how much bigger your e-penis is than mine? Oh wait. I don't care. And as I see in your signature you are an Internet Gangster, so I guess all you get laid by is some chick on teh cyb0rz...or maybe it's just some fat guy that's slobbin' all over his keyboardz.
@liquid SD cards can reach up to 32 or 34GB SDHC (High Capacity) are the current max.
@bhet speculation is dandy lol, I was just pointing out the article as I'm sure it's pretty much on target unless of course Microsoft lies and I would love Intel to be in the 720...but that's just my opinion I find Intel to be a better processing manufacturer than AMD.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holographic_Versatile_Disc
I don't think that's the exact disc I'm talking about but maybe it is, I can't seem to find that damn Wikipedia on it...or maybe it's that disc Sony is using just expanding, says it is up to 1PB...rofl
Coming out in 2019/2020...Boo!!
As for piracy on the PS4 or w/e it's going to be very hard. These HVD's have special shit on them that make it very hard to fake...
Forgive me if I'm wrong but isn't the DreamCast GD-Rom what started piracy and copying of software/games? >.>
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tavek
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15. December 2009 @ 11:23 |
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I wont espect to see those terabyte disc till 2015, 2018 latest.
Reason being is 10 year cycle, blue ray just kicked in to effect, DVD's fiorst came out (not its inception but mainstream where it got to be the norm) in around 1996.
So if you say 1996 to 2006, DVD had a 10 year cycle, you can say VHS had a 10 year cycle as well, 1985 to 1996. If you want to go WAY further, cable tv from teh early 80's late 70's was known as ON TV (thats a duster for y a & I expect very few people knew of that )
So Blueray should have 2006 to 2016 lifespan.
Hence intro in 2015. By that time well have 3d games and enhanced graphics that burn hotter then your car engine.
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