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FBI arrest alleged 'Wolverine' workprint uploader
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article published on 16 December, 2009
In April, one full month before its theatrical release, a workprint of the movie X-Men Origins: Wolverine
was uploaded to P2P and warez sites and promptly became one of the most downloaded pirated movies of the year.
This week, the FBI has arrested 47 year-old Gilberto Sanchez of the Bronx, NY (aka "theSkilled1" online) for uploading the film to MegaUpload.com and charged him with copyright ... [ read the full article ]
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Tristan_2
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16. December 2009 @ 22:58 |
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I have to call Shenanigans on this one only for the facts that the leaked version was supposedly without special effects, The leaked version was reviewed by a fox employee and was fired for it, and to top it off the movie made a crap load of money. I'm wondering why the FBI even arrested the person to begin with makin it look like he's some high classed criminal when he clearly isn't that huge to be arrested by the FBI. I still say Fox had purposely leaked it to this day on this case. This is messed up I have to admit
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17. December 2009 @ 00:15 |
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I'd have to agree. It would seam rather than appear impotent the FBI has taken a scapegoat.
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elbald90
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17. December 2009 @ 03:00 |
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phew at least we can sleep soundly tonight knowing this criminal has been apprehended thanks FBI
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17. December 2009 @ 03:04 |
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that is NOT the guy who got the workprint in his hands in the first place. how stupid
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17. December 2009 @ 05:06 |
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How can they prove who has uploaded that movie to megaupload? I don't think megauploads shares the IPs that are being uses for uploading (actually, I doubt that they save more than the last IP for each user).
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17. December 2009 @ 05:25 |
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This is just to make people afraid that the FB! (my ass) is in it.
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17. December 2009 @ 08:35 |
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How can they prove who has uploaded that movie to megaupload? I don't think megauploads shares the IPs that are being uses for uploading (actually, I doubt that they save more than the last IP for each user).
well im on dial up so my IP changes everytime i log on.i know broadband and cable is better but im in a remote part of australia so no broadband or cable is available here.
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17. December 2009 @ 09:19 |
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hasn't anyone notice that its the feds that have put up 30 million to fight the uploading of movies and this movie alone grossed over 300 million its only 10 persent of one movie s gross take, why havent the movie industry put up 50 persent of one years worth of gross of all movies that come out to fight the issue and they might make a dent , but they would rather have the tax payers of this country to flip the bill. its not a large issue to water mark the movies to figure out whatshow place is alowing the cams to run inside also making a blue screen instead of white screen movie would make it imposible for cams to record it I draw comics and we use blue pencels to outline or pages and it isnt able to be even photocopied so why havent they do this to movies? because they want to use the loss of sales as a tax write off lets get real and not stand for this 30 million would buy our troops armor they need in the wars they face from road side bombs..
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17. December 2009 @ 09:38 |
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How can they prove who has uploaded that movie to megaupload? I don't think megauploads shares the IPs that are being uses for uploading (actually, I doubt that they save more than the last IP for each user).
well im on dial up so my IP changes everytime i log on.i know broadband and cable is better but im in a remote part of australia so no broadband or cable is available here.
Well they certainly know it wasn't you who uploaded the movie unless you took two weeks to do it :p
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17. December 2009 @ 09:53 |
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mystic makes a very valid point.. here is a prime example of public money being used to protect private profit and wealth. It's the same as the bail out of the overly greedy banks who are now paying our money to themselves in bonuses.
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17. December 2009 @ 10:38 |
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What makes you think anyone should have free access to someone else's property?
They should go after everyone involved.
If everything were "free", nothing would have value.
And regarding bank "greed" (LOL)... I don't blame folks for accepting bonuses they actually earned per their contractual obligations. Don't slam the recipient, fix the problem (if you think there actually is one) by examining who/how those contracts are written.
If you want the best, you have to pay for it. That's why the laughable CEO "salary caps" won't work, either. Those companies will fail because the best talent will go elsewhere where they will be paid like the best that they are.
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17. December 2009 @ 11:09 |
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you completely miss the point.. this is OUR money that is being used.. to back up the greedy monopolistic and very fat media businesses. They can well afford to stump up the cash themselves.. but no.. again the taxpayer foots the bill. The banks have NO RIGHT to pay out OUR money in bonuses to people who have obviously failed at their jobs if they need bailing out with billions of OUR money.
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17. December 2009 @ 11:25 |
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Originally posted by scum101:
you completely miss the point.. this is OUR money that is being used.. to back up the greedy monopolistic and very fat media businesses. They can well afford to stump up the cash themselves.. but no.. again the taxpayer foots the bill. The banks have NO RIGHT to pay out OUR money in bonuses to people who have obviously failed at their jobs if they need bailing out with billions of OUR money.
Ditto...well put.
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17. December 2009 @ 11:39 |
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They said on the radio that they lost $50,000,000 because of this. Now, do the math at $8 a ticket, that means 6.5 million people downloaded this, and didnt go see the movie in the theater. I think that number is wayyyyy to high, considering there are only 300 million people in the country.
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17. December 2009 @ 12:46 |
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Originally posted by pirkster:
What makes you think anyone should have free access to someone else's property?
They should go after everyone involved.
If everything were "free", nothing would have value.
And regarding bank "greed" (LOL)... I don't blame folks for accepting bonuses they actually earned per their contractual obligations. Don't slam the recipient, fix the problem (if you think there actually is one) by examining who/how those contracts are written.
If you want the best, you have to pay for it. That's why the laughable CEO "salary caps" won't work, either. Those companies will fail because the best talent will go elsewhere where they will be paid like the best that they are.
Ahhh-NO, if you are a honorrible person you don't drive a company into the ground and then take the money and run. I can see you have a lack of morals. As long as you get it in writing then screw everyone, great attitude bud!
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17. December 2009 @ 13:08 |
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What most people is missing is that the FED said it was downloaded in MegaUpload, the question is how they did know that and if MegaUpload supply the information, and if so, what type of impact will have to everyone that use it to upload and download
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17. December 2009 @ 13:19 |
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Originally posted by scum101:
you completely miss the point.. this is OUR money that is being used.. to back up the greedy monopolistic and very fat media businesses. They can well afford to stump up the cash themselves.. but no.. again the taxpayer foots the bill. The banks have NO RIGHT to pay out OUR money in bonuses to people who have obviously failed at their jobs if they need bailing out with billions of OUR money.
It is actually worse... The big banks are getting millions from the Federal treasury at zero or near zero percent interest and then turning around and buying treasury bonds with the fed's [our] own money and earning around three plus percent interest. They are doing the same with the bailout funds. This would be like you giving a no-interest loan to one of your buds and then he loans it back to you and charges you interest, making a profit on your own money.
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17. December 2009 @ 15:29 |
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Originally posted by Necrosaro:
They said on the radio that they lost $50,000,000 because of this. Now, do the math at $8 a ticket, that means 6.5 million people downloaded this, and didnt go see the movie in the theater. I think that number is wayyyyy to high, considering there are only 300 million people in the country.
Dude, your math needs major work. The 300 million you mention is in the US alone. In the whole world there is at least 6 BILLION PEOPLE!. Now subtract 1.5 billion that do not have internet access an that still leaves you with 4.5 Billion people subtract 1 billion that do not want internet access or can get it from their library and that still leaves you with 3.5 Billion people world wide.
Now while not defending these scroats in any way, it is clearly possible that they lost the money they said they did. And not everyone pays 8. a ticket...some pay as much as $15. a ticket and some pay as little as $4 a ticket in the "before 5pm" shows
So you really need to work on your math as in this case if I were your instructor I would give you a failing grade.
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17. December 2009 @ 20:17 |
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I have to say. IF this guy was the original uploader and I stress IF, then he has the punishment coming. I mean, come on. Uploading a movie pre-release that cost millions to make is huge.
Uploading and downloading a few months before the movie goes DVD is one thing, but Woverine was piracy on it's own unique level.
It was cool watching the water tower fight scene where you could see the ropes they were hanging on.
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17. December 2009 @ 21:15 |
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Despite the rampant piracy, the movie went on to make over $300 million in the box office, and is the year's second best-selling Blu-ray behind Transformers 2.
If the movie is going to make this kinda money anyway why bother busting this guy. It was a workprint as was said and i would be going for the staff that leaked the workprint more than this guy.
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17. December 2009 @ 23:01 |
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why arn't they prosecuting megauploads.com.after all they allowed 3 million people to download it.
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17. December 2009 @ 23:53 |
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Originally posted by xboxdvl2:
why arn't they prosecuting megauploads.com.after all they allowed 3 million people to download it.
I'm sure they are building a case.
This guy might work for Fox, or for a company hired by fox to do something to the workprint. It is possible (but not very likely) that he took the workprint home, made a copy, and brought it back in the morning before anyone showed up. If this is the case, then they need to nail his *** to a wall. If he is just some guy that uploaded what he found on a flashdrive that some guy gave him, he is still guilty as sin...but he is just a patsy.
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18. December 2009 @ 10:21 |
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They really need to start making decent movies again... all this super hero bullshit is getting real fing old. Look at the shiney shiney...
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18. December 2009 @ 12:27 |
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Originally posted by pirkster:
What makes you think anyone should have free access to someone else's property?
They should go after everyone involved.
If everything were "free", nothing would have value.
Well, this movie seemed to have had a $300 million value, even though it was technically available as "free." Not to say that what the uploader did was right. He and whoever else leaked it should face the penalty. But let's look at your statement a little more closely. I agree, if everything were free, nothing would have value. But this movie wasn't free. It was made available. Big difference. The movie studio didn't spend millions to just give it away to the masses. That would be suicide. Someone stole it (or conveniently leaked it from the inside). The bottom line is the value of the movie was what people wanted to pay anyway. The whole "downloading is stealing and costing millions of jobs and billions in revenue each year" argument is horse *!@#.
Originally posted by pirkster:
And regarding bank "greed" (LOL)... I don't blame folks for accepting bonuses they actually earned per their contractual obligations. Don't slam the recipient, fix the problem (if you think there actually is one) by examining who/how those contracts are written.
But the recipient is the problem (LOL). Not sure what this has to do with the topic. Any thoughts on the US health care debate?
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Any thoughts on the US health care debate?
Yes, it is illegal and unconstitutional and any Democrat or Republican that votes for it in it's present state is willfully and intentionally committing a federal felony.
You MUST buy insurance...right? Ok how are you going to not buy insurance or answer that question if asked without incriminating yourself, so even asking that question would be a violation of the 5th Amendment of the US Constitution.
You MUST buy insurance right? Ok, then how are they going to enforce this when the US Supreme Court ( Schechter Poultry Corp. v. United States, 295 U.S. 495, 55 S. Ct. 837, 79 L. Ed. 1570 (1935) ) has already stated in a 9-0 decision that the US Congress CANNOT and DOES NOT have the authority to force anyone to buy anything. If this was the case then what is stopping them from demanding that the ONLY apples you can buy are from Washington State, or the ONLY potatoes you can buy are from Idaho, or the ONLY car/truck you can buy is a GM made one. They can regulate traffic between states (and one wonders then why they just dont open up the ability for you to buy insurance from another state then) but that is where their authority ends.
So let them pass this, and all one would need do is file a federal class action lawsuit against ALL members of Congress (both house and senate) that voted for this and we could essentially clean house in COngress as every person that voted for it would be found guilty of the willful and intentional commission of a federal felony and under Title 18 United States Code (USC) it clearly states that "NO convicted felon shall hold, be appointed to, nor placed in a decision making position of, in or with any elective office in the United States" IN laymens terms, that means every person that voted for this would be removed from office and barred from ever running for office ever again as well as being banned from voting or having anything to do with any election AND being banned from receiving any form of retirement from the State in which they reside nor the US Treasury.
So let the dumarses vote for it, tiz political suicide.
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