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PSN premium subscriptions detailed, online gaming still free for all
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article published on 19 December, 2009
Putting to rest any worries that PlayStation 3 owners may have had that their online gaming would soon turn to a pay-for service such as Xbox Live Gold, a leaked survey showing off the company's considerations for premium subscriptions shows that online gaming will remain free for everyone using the PSN.
The survey, posted on CVG, shows that for $70-a-year, a premium PSN subscription ... [ read the full article ]
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xblade132
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20. December 2009 @ 12:56 |
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Option 1 really stands out to me but I'm a bit curious as to how the "online music service" is going to work. Would you be able to download mp3's as long as you're a subscriber? Beta access is looking pretty good to me as well. I'm intrigued about what "catch up TV" is.
Rumor is "catch-up tv" is native Hulu playback.
Ah, that is mighty intriguing.
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Morreale
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20. December 2009 @ 13:26 |
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Option 1 really stands out to me but I'm a bit curious as to how the "online music service" is going to work. Would you be able to download mp3's as long as you're a subscriber? Beta access is looking pretty good to me as well. I'm intrigued about what "catch up TV" is.
Rumor is "catch-up tv" is native Hulu playback.
I REALLY hope not. That pretty much screws everyone outta TV except for Americans...
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20. December 2009 @ 15:07 |
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Option 1 really stands out to me but I'm a bit curious as to how the "online music service" is going to work. Would you be able to download mp3's as long as you're a subscriber? Beta access is looking pretty good to me as well. I'm intrigued about what "catch up TV" is.
Rumor is "catch-up tv" is native Hulu playback.
I REALLY hope not. That pretty much screws everyone outta TV except for Americans...
It'll end up being Sky here most likely, unless Microsoft have made them sign with them exclusively.
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KSib
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20. December 2009 @ 17:04 |
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<3 Hulu. I easily watch Hulu more than actual TV. I like watching TV when I actually want to watch TV. Sorry to you other guys who can't access Hulu though, that's a shame. I still would like this compared to 360's services.
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21. December 2009 @ 02:24 |
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The only thing I want is cross-game voice chat. It's a shame they plan on charging for it.
It would make multiplayer on Demon's Souls so much easier to orchestrate.
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21. December 2009 @ 08:11 |
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I though sony stated that the PSN will always be free, there is a bit of back peddling goin on here, i guess people are not as stupid as sony hoped when they loaded all that virtual stuff into home?
What part of the PSN is still free don't you understand? As DVDBack, myself and other have clearly explained ~
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Apparently All of it :P
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21. December 2009 @ 12:17 |
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Oner likes boys!
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21. December 2009 @ 12:19 |
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I though sony stated that the PSN will always be free, there is a bit of back peddling goin on here, i guess people are not as stupid as sony hoped when they loaded all that virtual stuff into home?
What part of the PSN is still free don't you understand? As DVDBack, myself and other have clearly explained ~
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Also what does that wall of text have to do with this news? It is not on topic and does nothing to add to the discussion at hand.
If anything, the wall of text was entertaining :P Love the "white and yellow model" line.
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21. December 2009 @ 14:20 |
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Originally posted by jdurden:
The fact that $ony is breaking up the packages where, if you want to use facebook and P$One games, you will have to buy both packages for almost $140, what a scam, thanks but no thanks $ony, I'll keep paying $50 a year for everything.
You can't be serious? You can't possibly believe you have to buy 2 packages! Can you?...Simply Amazing....<shakes head slowly side to side>...This was a survey asking which 1 option would the person as a consumer be interested in. PLUS the shear fact you can access Facebook for free on the PS3's web browser itself already (as it always has been), thus nullifying your comment anyway...
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21. December 2009 @ 15:13 |
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The fact that $ony is breaking up the packages where, if you want to use facebook and P$One games, you will have to buy both packages for almost $140, what a scam, thanks but no thanks $ony, I'll keep paying $50 a year for everything.
You can't be serious? You can't possibly believe you have to buy 2 packages! Can you?...Simply Amazing....<shakes head slowly side to side>...This was a survey asking which 1 option would the person as a consumer be interested in. PLUS the shear fact you can access Facebook for free on the PS3's web browser itself already (as it always has been), thus nullifying your comment anyway...
HAHA, really, OMG! You're so smart! Is that why you analyze every quote and post your DB comment. <shakes his head slowly left to right> What a tool.
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21. December 2009 @ 15:20 |
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The fact that $ony is breaking up the packages where, if you want to use facebook and P$One games, you will have to buy both packages for almost $140, what a scam, thanks but no thanks $ony, I'll keep paying $50 a year for everything.
You can't be serious? You can't possibly believe you have to buy 2 packages! Can you?...Simply Amazing....<shakes head slowly side to side>...This was a survey asking which 1 option would the person as a consumer be interested in. PLUS the shear fact you can access Facebook for free on the PS3's web browser itself already (as it always has been), thus nullifying your comment anyway...
HAHA, really, OMG! You're so smart! Is that why you analyze every quote and post your DB comment. <shakes his head slowly left to right> What a tool.
Oh dear. If you weren't so ignorant and knew how to read, there wouldn't be a problem at all.
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21. December 2009 @ 15:39 |
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The fact that $ony is breaking up the packages where, if you want to use facebook and P$One games, you will have to buy both packages for almost $140, what a scam, thanks but no thanks $ony, I'll keep paying $50 a year for everything.
You can't be serious? You can't possibly believe you have to buy 2 packages! Can you?...Simply Amazing....<shakes head slowly side to side>...This was a survey asking which 1 option would the person as a consumer be interested in. PLUS the shear fact you can access Facebook for free on the PS3's web browser itself already (as it always has been), thus nullifying your comment anyway...
HAHA, really, OMG! You're so smart! Is that why you analyze every quote and post your DB comment. <shakes his head slowly left to right> What a tool.
Oh dear. If you weren't so ignorant and knew how to read, there wouldn't be a problem at all.
TY Morreale.
jdurden ~ Apparently smarter than you ;) especially since you didn't even try to explain yourself! Not a single word about how you were wrong, misinformed or how your lack of comprehension clearly shows your ignorance...only an insult in reply. Whatever. That is all the acknowledgment I need to be satisfied and proven right. Way to go Brainiac. Way to go.
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22. December 2009 @ 04:23 |
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I don't have a problem with Sony implementing this. The way I see it, is that PSN is still free for all the things I use it for. Moreover, these subscriptions aren't compulsory, so I don't have to subscribe if I'm not interested in these services.
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22. December 2009 @ 04:35 |
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*super snip!*
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HAHA, really, OMG! You're so smart! Is that why you analyze every quote and post your DB comment. <shakes his head slowly left to right> What a tool.
Oh dear. If you weren't so ignorant and knew how to read, there wouldn't be a problem at all.
Agreed.
Anyway, what's this Sony Brands about?
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22. December 2009 @ 06:06 |
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It all makes sence now...
we have been begging for cross-game chat since they promised it to us 6 months before launch. Now they will finaly have it...at a fee.
And they killed Hulu support for no reason...clearly it was so that they could charge for it.
I wonder abou the "Automatic Downloads and Updates" thing...we don't have any choice about updates, they are required to play online. Does this mean that the only way to get the required updates is to have the service?
And what about this "Cloud Storage Space"...the whole point of the hard drive is that it is faster than the bluray drive...and the bluray drive is much faster than the internet in 99% of homes. Why would one want cloud storage space?
And what about the "Access to Beta Games" feature? We are doing Sony a service by testing these games in the beta stages (actualy, they are alpha stage; as the release stage is usualy as buggy as a beta). How can they charge us to work for them?
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22. December 2009 @ 06:19 |
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Originally posted by KillerBug:
It all makes sence now...
we have been begging for cross-game chat since they promised it to us 6 months before launch. Now they will finaly have it...at a fee.
And they killed Hulu support for no reason...clearly it was so that they could charge for it.
I wonder abou the "Automatic Downloads and Updates" thing...we don't have any choice about updates, they are required to play online. Does this mean that the only way to get the required updates is to have the service?
And what about this "Cloud Storage Space"...the whole point of the hard drive is that it is faster than the bluray drive...and the bluray drive is much faster than the internet in 99% of homes. Why would one want cloud storage space?
And what about the "Access to Beta Games" feature? We are doing Sony a service by testing these games in the beta stages (actualy, they are alpha stage; as the release stage is usualy as buggy as a beta). How can they charge us to work for them?
I was thinking the same thing about the automatic downloads and updates. Having the choice of paying for the extras is great, unless they sneakily force you to pay anyway, And it's not even like they would let you pay the lower subscription to get updates. Online is free, but you can't game online unless your firmware is up-to-date, and you can't get up-to-date firmware unless you subscribe to the most expensive plan? Sounds too bad to be false. I'm hoping that "Automatic" means that you have to manually initiate the update.
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EvilDeeds
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22. December 2009 @ 07:33 |
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Originally posted by KillerBug:
It all makes sence now...
we have been begging for cross-game chat since they promised it to us 6 months before launch. Now they will finaly have it...at a fee.
And they killed Hulu support for no reason...clearly it was so that they could charge for it.
I wonder abou the "Automatic Downloads and Updates" thing...we don't have any choice about updates, they are required to play online. Does this mean that the only way to get the required updates is to have the service?
And what about this "Cloud Storage Space"...the whole point of the hard drive is that it is faster than the bluray drive...and the bluray drive is much faster than the internet in 99% of homes. Why would one want cloud storage space?
And what about the "Access to Beta Games" feature? We are doing Sony a service by testing these games in the beta stages (actualy, they are alpha stage; as the release stage is usualy as buggy as a beta). How can they charge us to work for them?
Cloud Storage: Wouldn't be for things like storing your game on it for quicker loading, it will just mean that you don't have to cart your profile and saves around with you if you have more than one ps3 around the house, or to your friends house. It was an option they'd considered to slim the ps3 slim even more at one point, leave out the hdd and have saves on the net instead.
Automatic Downloads and Updates: Maybe it's more to do with automatically grabbing DLC (mission packs, extra levels, new features), rather than security/bug fix updates... also could be to do with things like wanting all the content available when it's available on a specific subject, like the next Assassins Creed or COD game... so all news, videos, images, demos, and eventually dlc. It's actually a half decent idea.
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22. December 2009 @ 20:19 |
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Hmm... As a late adopter of the PS3, this is interesting. I've been using the 360 for the past few years, and was on live long before that too.
Overall, I really like the system that Live has in place, and given it's broad functionality, I really don't mind paying an average of $5\month for that (When you buy it yearly).
Looking at the features here, many of the things are included in XBL's gold service, which for me is a hard sell against; because I'm established there, my friends are all there, it's where I'm 'planted'.
But that's not to say I wouldn't be interested in some of these options. In particular the second option, with free access to the PSOne library sounds like something that may be worth my while. I'm a very A.D.D. gamer, and I hate spending $60 on a game that may or may not keep me interested for more than a couple weeks. And most MMO's don't cut it very long either. :( Being able to put out $70 one time for unlimited access to the currently sold library of original PS titles(I know it's only a small fraction of what was actually released when the system was still selling in stores) would really give me a much better opportunity to sit down and play "WHATEVER" I'm in the mood for. If I want a good JRPG I could load up Wild Arms, if I wanted some action nostalgia I'd load up MGS, and if I was looking for a shooter I could play spec ops or rainbow six. They're old games, but for a low subscription price I'd bite. Hell, I stayed with gametap for several months until I had to switch to 64bit windows. That was $15\month for old computer games.
So, if PSN can really offer a decent catalog (At least 30-40 games) from the PS1 for a subscription fee that's cheap, I'd probably go for that plan.
The thing that bothers me with these plans, is that option 1 and 2 both offer features that would be big selling points.
Netflix without a disc would be very nice, that disc based interface is SO SLOW! And Catch-Up(aka Hulu) would be really nice too. I don't understand why Loyalty Program Rewards would only be on certain plans; but then Option 2, with it's PS1 collection is a big seller too.
Perhaps PSN could consider a DIY system:
-Free level, everything we get now
-Premium: Some extra features
-Optional add-ons for the premium, with cost that is proportionate.
For example, the Standard Premium could include the 5-10 most wanted features, then they could allow you to add a feature for $X.XX, much like a common cell phone plan. That would be a way to get exactly what we want as customers, and none of the fluff we don't.
I like the idea of a premium subscription, but I feel that these plans leave silly gaps. Sony should either offer 'add on' options to a basic plan, or make one plan that is an adequate combo of these.
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22. December 2009 @ 20:49 |
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a leaked survey showing off the company's considerations for premium subscriptions shows that online gaming will remain free for everyone using the PSN.
i like the sound of this. I just wonder if they can make the premium features still free as in like if the gamer gets like all the trophies then they get the service to an ultimate level otherwise just leave it open for the basics.
Just wanted to add after reading the table one of the features that will be kewl is the cloud storage.
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23. December 2009 @ 04:15 |
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The only thing that I see myself wanting out of all of this is the cross-game chat...and I can do something similar for free using my PC...so I am not going to pay sony $30 just to turn on a feature that costs them nothing to run. Perhapse if I had not been forced to wait so long for it, I might have been willing to pay just for the convenience...but it is too late now; it is already setup.
As for the PS1 games, sony has made it clear that no one wants PS2 support, and that they will never bring it back. They won't even put the most popular games on the PSN. Why do they think the PS1 games are so much better?
Anyone else tired of all of Sony's crap?
"PS2 games are old and obsolite, so we don't offer support for them...but we do offer even older and more obsolite PS1 games."
"Netflix works with the PS3 already...but if you don't want to constantly swap the disk in and out, we are going to charge you in order to use a service you have already paid for"
"Hulu is free, so we broke it. If you want to use this free service provided by someone else, then you have to pay us a monthly fee. Also, we released playTV in europe long ago...but we will never release it anywhere else as it might prevent people from paying us to let them access a free service from someone else."
"No one wants Linux support...so we removed it. We also implmented automatic email filters to prevent emails from the millions of users who use it."
"PSN will always be free...but we will only provide the features we have been promising for years to those who pay for it. Also, many of the features we have been promising for years will still not be available to anyone"
Still, in spite of all this, it is better than dealing with mICROsOFT.
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Originally posted by KillerBug:
The only thing that I see myself wanting out of all of this is the cross-game chat...and I can do something similar for free using my PC...so I am not going to pay sony $30 just to turn on a feature that costs them nothing to run. Perhapse if I had not been forced to wait so long for it, I might have been willing to pay just for the convenience...but it is too late now; it is already setup.
As for the PS1 games, sony has made it clear that no one wants PS2 support, and that they will never bring it back. They won't even put the most popular games on the PSN. Why do they think the PS1 games are so much better?
Anyone else tired of all of Sony's crap?
"PS2 games are old and obsolite, so we don't offer support for them...but we do offer even older and more obsolite PS1 games."
"Netflix works with the PS3 already...but if you don't want to constantly swap the disk in and out, we are going to charge you in order to use a service you have already paid for"
"Hulu is free, so we broke it. If you want to use this free service provided by someone else, then you have to pay us a monthly fee. Also, we released playTV in europe long ago...but we will never release it anywhere else as it might prevent people from paying us to let them access a free service from someone else."
"No one wants Linux support...so we removed it. We also implmented automatic email filters to prevent emails from the millions of users who use it."
"PSN will always be free...but we will only provide the features we have been promising for years to those who pay for it. Also, many of the features we have been promising for years will still not be available to anyone"
Still, in spite of all this, it is better than dealing with mICROsOFT.
Since most of your crap, as usual, is being pulled out of your own you-know-what, I'm more tired of all the made-up crap than Sony's.
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25. December 2009 @ 20:59 |
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i noticed that you can get extended warranty. im guessing that this will not apply if your console has already ran out of warranty? also does it mean that it is extended by 3 years (ie. to four years warranty) or to 3 years?
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27. December 2009 @ 14:26 |
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I'm guessing that a lot of what's on this (LEAKED, don't forget) survey is somewhat condensed for printing space and is, therefore, open to interpretation. Let's wait for confirmation from Sony about the contentious features before we storm their offices in protest, shall we?
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29. December 2009 @ 17:11 |
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it would be better if you could tailor the package like, each option is 5 dollars a year and you can choose which ones you want. eg i want customer service priority, exclusisve experirences, beta games, tokens, discounts, member only content, cloud storage and loyalty rewards. if they had custom packages which each option as 5 dollars then tht would cost 40. it means i dont have to pay for stuff i dont want and i get what i actually do want, otherwise i would need to get both option 1 and option 2 and pay 100 dollars, with most of the other services being completely ignored.
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29. December 2009 @ 17:29 |
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I'd really like it to be a DIY 'pay for your wants' program; but I honestly don't think Sony wants to make the system that complicated. They want folks to feel like it's easy; complicated feature choices will honestly turn off a lot of customers -maybe not tehcnophiles of the sort that peruse this board; but honestly, you have to realize that listing 10-20 features optional at sign up is going to overwhelm some users; and that's the last thing you want.
Case and point - Microsoft's XBL service.
You have a silver and a gold option. Silver is free, stripped down, and really very feature poor(Though it still has crossgame chat, lol). Gold has all the features like online gaming and netflix connectivity. It seems like a pretty simple system; but honestly working in a game store for a few months, I can't even begin to tell you how many parents were confused by this. They just couldn't wrap their head around something that's honestly pretty simple: "Do you want to play games online? Then get gold." But like I said, many customers don't understand something that simple. It's not because the product is ACTUALLY that complicated, it's because many of the less tech-savvy users subconsciously stop TRYING to understand if something looks like it MIGHT be technical.
I think Sony is trying to get some very different information here -they're trying to figure out which items would add the most value for a customer, which features would you be willing to pay more for? They're trying to assess the value of each of these to prospective customer, so that they can launch ONE premium package that customers will deem worthwhile. Sony wants to know how important Netflix, Cloud Storage, or a library of older games are to you the consumer.
I don't believe for a second that they're going to actually let us build our own packages. Even the idea that these options will be available is a longshot. Historical data shows that companies want to keep it as simple as possible when they launch; and coming forward with multiple choices\etc will scare some folks off. Let's face it, if nothing else Sony is a mainstream consumer company. They know that their biggest dollar comes from the average user -not from the high level advanced users.
Don't get me wrong, I'd love a do-it-yourself feature approach, but it's just not realistic.
Either way, I'm eager to see what they come up with. Cloud storage sounds really convenient, as long as it doesn't ENTIRELY replace your hard drive as a storage medium(Anyone had an internet outage? Imagine not having access to ANY of your saves!) I think Sony will come out with a product that will be interesting.
Also, seriously guys, the MS hate? Honestly now, Sony, MS, and Nintendo are all congolmerates. They've all bought, sold, and traded fledgling studios; and they've all left customers feeling betrayed or poorly serviced at times. But they all work to repair the situation. MS has put a lot more money than they really needed into keeping users with working consoles, and that's more than I can say for the last generation when Sony shipped a lot of PS2's with faulty lasers. But you don't see me bashing Sony, they made a business decision not to cough up for those customers until a court mandated it. How a company treats their customers is just something you keep in mind when you buy; but honestly, none of these companies are out to get you. They don't want to give you bad service, they want you to be happy with their product. And frankly, they've all shown it in their own way this generation. SO regardless of what system you prefer, there's no reason to start bashing other manufacturers.
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