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PlayStation 3 security finally cracking?
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The following comments relate to this news article:
article published on 22 January, 2010
I don't generally like to post articles on claims about console hacking. Over the past few years, the PS3 and Xbox 360 have been subject to numerous hoaxes. In the Xbox 360 case, there were several that turned out to be true (esp. of late), but so many others that didn't. For the PlayStation 3, there has been a lot of claims made and not a lot that has come from them (that's just good security, ... [ read the full article ]
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elbald90
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23. January 2010 @ 19:46 |
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i cant wait hurry up and let us know how PLEASE
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24. January 2010 @ 05:51 |
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I can't wait to see how this turns out weather its a hoax or not just PS3 being cracked in general. I hope it ends up something like the xbox since it has a built in hdd.
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24. January 2010 @ 13:13 |
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I'm mostly exited about this adding additional Multimedia support. If it adds the ability to play .mkv files it seems worth it. The hack is going to need to be streamlined enough that its not a hastle to use it. My biggest fear is that rampant piracy will overshadow the homebrew and sony will patch the firmware to disallow it.
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24. January 2010 @ 21:56 |
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This is insane i would really love to see how far they can push the envelope here. Do we loose game quality or the true Blu-Ray effect or does it all stay the same. This is a note to follow.
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25. January 2010 @ 04:25 |
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As for hacking the PS3, it's worth it. It would mean a lot. The PS3 is definitely going to last at least another 3 years, and that's 100+ game releases I may have bought, and maybe some I wouldn't have, but now will get to play.
As for backwards compatibility, not possible. The Emotion engine must already be in place for the system to play PS2 @ native speeds, so unless you have an original 20 or 60, not happening.
For the claims that this may not work, you people must be living under a rock. Geohot is not only a hacker, he is PROMINENTLY one of the defining hackers of our time. He just doesn't do the illegal hack into NASA shit you hear on the regular from cutthroat black hat hackers.
He is the reason the iPhone sold as well as it did. I personally can account for the 100+ iPhones I sold overseas to places that didn't take AT&T because his software allowed me to unlock it.
If Geohot says it took 5 weeks to hack a PS3, when others have been trying for the whole 3 years, then it's true. He is amazing, and deserves credit. I need PSN, so I may actually buy a THIRD PS3 just to run homebrew.
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25. January 2010 @ 05:02 |
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If the person who has "Cracked" the code, will it mean that Sony may try to do something about it, like a legal challenge, we know how they operate, what with the Viao issues, the "Warranty" sticker, the YSOD issues, etc, etc. They do make some good items, but being profit driven, the customer comes a distant issue at times.
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26. January 2010 @ 20:18 |
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Originally posted by Seanspade:
As for backwards compatibility, not possible. The Emotion engine must already be in place for the system to play PS2 @ native speeds, so unless you have an original 20 or 60, not happening.
The guys saying this might mean PS2-compatibility just don't know what they're talking about...unless they or someone they know is going to write the best PS2 software emulator known.
Originally posted by Seanspade:
He is the reason the iPhone sold as well as it did.
Well, I don't think that's so true...last I heard, only around 15% of iPhones are estimated to have been jailbroken, which is still a good #, but it was already a hit before the hacks.
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26. January 2010 @ 22:57 |
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Originally posted by whatevs:
From what I understand, since I've been following geohot, he didn't want to look for a software hack. He was actually looking for a hack that couldn't be patched with a firmware upgrade. He claims he can talk to the ps3 now but then the argument can start to whether or not Sony will start banning these hacked ps3s off the network since patching won't work for them.
I hope it at least opens the doors to others. I realy don't want to pirate games anyhow...I just want to load my games onto the hard drive to save all the disk swapping and laser wear. Plus, MKV support would be nice...and perhapse even some kind of support for some format that would allow for files on USB drives that are larger than 4GB. Oh, and if I was able to play MP3s durring ANY game, then that would be sweet too.
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xnonsuchx
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26. January 2010 @ 23:00 |
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Originally posted by Hunt720:
I'm mostly exited about this adding additional Multimedia support. If it adds the ability to play .mkv files it seems worth it. The hack is going to need to be streamlined enough that its not a hastle to use it. My biggest fear is that rampant piracy will overshadow the homebrew and sony will patch the firmware to disallow it.
BTW, the hack is ONLY for OtherOS (i.e. Linux) capable PS3s...not the new slim ones. It is only allowing access to the hardware directly rather than through the HyperVisor via Linux, not hacking the firmware or anything. Oddly, he says the HV isn't even blocking the RSX...that it likely just needs a fully capable Linux driver (even though it was previously claimed that FW 2.1 or something around there locked out the RSX from Linux).
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28. January 2010 @ 11:57 |
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Quote:
Originally posted by KillerBug:
Quality blank bluray disks can be gotten for $3
Are you in the US? Even still, I am in Australia and most on this forum pay much more for dual layer DVD's than I do ($1.00 each) and nowhere have I seen blank Blu-ray discs for $3 each, and you say you can obtain quality discs for this price. The best I can come up with are Ritek's BD25's for $6 each.
Do you mind sharing which brand and where from?
If the disc's were 10.00 a piece(isn't that cheaper than 60.00??) yep it sure is
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Chaos66
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28. January 2010 @ 12:39 |
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this is very interesting reading
Guys n Girls check this: http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/power/library/pa-cellsecurity/
Then read this. Taken from another forum.
To quote: "So the PS3 is hacked ? Well that's nothing more than an urban legend.
Altough it's nice to capture all these HV calls and stuff from a plain (not encrypted) lv1 binary, but this will never lead to a hacked PS3.
Let's have a look. The major security architecture on the PS3 is called the "Secure Processing Vault" and is the most important thing regarding "hacking" the PS3.
There is NO WAY for the PPU or even the HV to gain access to the SPU, which is an application running inside of an isolated SPU.
Well you can kick out the isolated SPU, like geohot mentioned, but this gives you nothing, as ALL the encryption and execution of applications (HDD encryption, app encryption, decryption, executing, signature checking, root key extraction) happens inside the isolated SPU.
To run homebrew on the PS3 you would have to reassemble the whole functionality from the SPU inside a binary running on the PPU. For this you will need the root key.
The root key is stored in hardware (not even close to the things on the iPhone). The root key cannot be extracted by any software or hardware means and is essential to ALL encryption/decryption, executing and checking routines.
The only way to get the root key is inside of an isolated SPU, as it is kick-starting the hardware encryption facility. There is no other way to do that !
Let's just assume that geohot or some other guys are able to break into the local store of the isolated SPE. There they will just find some encrypted binaries.
The key for decryption is encrypted by the root key ! You won't get anywhere without the root key.
Let's assume that someone managed to do all those stuff from the isolated SPU on the PPU and creates a CFW.
There is still a secure booting environment. The first module loaded/bootet is integrity checked by the hardware crypto facility utilizing the root key. So you have also to address this booting stuff. Again, no root key, no booting.
So there's always runtime patching you might ask ? Not possible on the PS3 because the hardware crypto facility is able to check the signatures whenever it wants to.
And which part is responsible for this ? Exactly, the isolated SPU. So if you kick out the isolated SPU the system will not boot/run anymore.
The PS3 is neither an PSP nor an iPhone. It's the most secure system architecture of this time !
The girl behind this stuff, Kanna Shimizu, is not somebody. Messing around with this is not like saying Bruce Schneier is a n00b.
Btw.: forget about all those stories, that certain hackers are or will be employed by SONY. That's nothing more than another urban legend.
@geohot It is OBVIOUS that the HV is PPC. The Cell BE is a PPC architecture, you know ;-) Better read those IBM papers in first place !
thats means he does nothing really just baypass lvl1 security wich is great
but paradox did it before him!.
the hard and the unpossible thing to do is to get the root key from the
isolated SPU. and that is by far uncheckable
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28. January 2010 @ 15:27 |
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Originally posted by Chaos66:
this is very interesting reading
Guys n Girls check this: http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/power/library/pa-cellsecurity/
Then read this. Taken from another forum.
To quote: "So the PS3 is hacked ? Well that's nothing more than an urban legend.
Altough it's nice to capture all these HV calls and stuff from a plain (not encrypted) lv1 binary, but this will never lead to a hacked PS3.
Let's have a look. The major security architecture on the PS3 is called the "Secure Processing Vault" and is the most important thing regarding "hacking" the PS3.
There is NO WAY for the PPU or even the HV to gain access to the SPU, which is an application running inside of an isolated SPU.
Well you can kick out the isolated SPU, like geohot mentioned, but this gives you nothing, as ALL the encryption and execution of applications (HDD encryption, app encryption, decryption, executing, signature checking, root key extraction) happens inside the isolated SPU.
To run homebrew on the PS3 you would have to reassemble the whole functionality from the SPU inside a binary running on the PPU. For this you will need the root key.
The root key is stored in hardware (not even close to the things on the iPhone). The root key cannot be extracted by any software or hardware means and is essential to ALL encryption/decryption, executing and checking routines.
The only way to get the root key is inside of an isolated SPU, as it is kick-starting the hardware encryption facility. There is no other way to do that !
Let's just assume that geohot or some other guys are able to break into the local store of the isolated SPE. There they will just find some encrypted binaries.
The key for decryption is encrypted by the root key ! You won't get anywhere without the root key.
Let's assume that someone managed to do all those stuff from the isolated SPU on the PPU and creates a CFW.
There is still a secure booting environment. The first module loaded/bootet is integrity checked by the hardware crypto facility utilizing the root key. So you have also to address this booting stuff. Again, no root key, no booting.
So there's always runtime patching you might ask ? Not possible on the PS3 because the hardware crypto facility is able to check the signatures whenever it wants to.
And which part is responsible for this ? Exactly, the isolated SPU. So if you kick out the isolated SPU the system will not boot/run anymore.
The PS3 is neither an PSP nor an iPhone. It's the most secure system architecture of this time !
The girl behind this stuff, Kanna Shimizu, is not somebody. Messing around with this is not like saying Bruce Schneier is a n00b.
Btw.: forget about all those stories, that certain hackers are or will be employed by SONY. That's nothing more than another urban legend.
@geohot It is OBVIOUS that the HV is PPC. The Cell BE is a PPC architecture, you know ;-) Better read those IBM papers in first place !
thats means he does nothing really just baypass lvl1 security wich is great
but paradox did it before him!.
the hard and the unpossible thing to do is to get the root key from the
isolated SPU. and that is by far uncheckable
Well you kinda have to worm your way there by gaining more access to as many parts as you can.
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28. January 2010 @ 15:28 |
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the only hack i have seen was on youtube and the guy had a mask on, he stripped down the machine and loaded the backup with a boot disc, showing you you each step as he did it, the thing is he had to strip down the ps3 and re build it ooch :(.... as for films well if you look about hum hum you can get 720p movies ripped down from 1080p, pop a 500gig hard drive in the ps3 and well there you go, iam not putting this guy down but as soon as he hacks the system sony will put out new firmware to stop it dead. ps dont burn me i love you all ;)
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