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New boxes cumin out two time!!! Is it ture ??
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30. January 2010 @ 04:44 |
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on the money pat.
The box is not 160, its 149 with 10 quid off if ya pre-order, its a USB box which you can connect a HD or mem stick to. But the main point of this box is your not relying on dodgy sharers for it to work.
CS is illegal as you are getting chans or services which you are not paying for them, plain and simple, but unlike a standard cable box such as a euro, you are actually getting the service from some one who re-distibuting thier service, a lot of legal pitfalls in it to
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30. January 2010 @ 05:42 |
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Thanks Mick and Pat, at least 2 voices of reason.
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30. January 2010 @ 06:51 |
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Guys, I think the CS issue is being confused. CS can be used to delivered multi-room viewing. For this you must have a legal subscription which you share with your other boxes in your house. There is nothing illegal whatsoever about this and it saves on paying extra monthly subs for the extra boxes. You are not watching channels you have not subscribed to.
Sharing outside of your home is a different matter. Cs servers are owned by cowboys and should be kept away from.
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30. January 2010 @ 10:34 |
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mmm think yer wrong there, CS in any form is illegal, even if you CS with yerself, you sharing a sub which you are only paying once for, ya may as well be sharing that sub with 6 of yer mates, same thing. your sending your sub to a box which is not being paid for, yes it is illegal.
This box, the SV6 is not for multiroom, its a lan cable box with a lot of possibiltys and a lot more user friendly for folk who aint up to speed on linux boxs. Thats up to the punter to make the call on that
In the two posts on this thread, you have posted incorrect info on both counts about the SV6 and legal status of CS, not nitpicking, but if yer going to put up a valid discussion on the topic, lets get our facts right
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30. January 2010 @ 11:05 |
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Mickah, I think the argument is being made over sharing or streaming. Take a typical article _http://davisfreeberg.com/2006/11/03/motorola-unveils-multi-room-viewing/
This is not illegal even though the user has only one subscription. Anyway the SV6 will stream across a network in the exact same fashion. I think we will need a lawyer in European law to settle this one
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30. January 2010 @ 13:21 |
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fintannl i think you need to be looking at Irish Law
Any type of card sharing in Ireland is illegal as on any UPC bill you will see that the only box that is to be connected to their cable feed is there box only.
TAKEN FROM THE Copyright and Related Rights Act, 2000 IRISH LAW
www.irishstatutebook.ie/2000/en/act/pub/0028/print.html
372.?(1) A person who is authorised by the rightsowner?
(a) to make charges for the reception of programmes included in a broadcast or cable programme service, or
(b) to send encrypted transmissions of any other description,
has the same rights and remedies against a person who?
(i) (I) makes,
(II) sells, rents or lends, or offers or exposes for sale, rental or loan,
(III) imports into the State, or
(IV) has in his or her possession, custody or control,
any apparatus or protection-defeating device, knowing or having reason to believe that the apparatus or device is to be used to enable or assist persons to receive those programmes or transmissions when those persons are not so entitled, or
(ii) provides information, or offers or performs any service, intended to enable or assist persons to receive those programmes or transmissions when those persons are not so entitled,
as a rightsowner has in respect of an infringement of any of his or her rights under this Act.
(2) Without prejudice to any other remedy, in cases of innocent infringement of the rights conferred by subsection (1), the appropriate court may award damages as it considers appropriate in the circumstances, and such damages shall not exceed a reasonable payment in respect of the act complained of.
(3) Sections 145 and 264 shall apply with any necessary modifications in relation to the disposal of anything delivered up or seized by virtue of subsection (1).
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30. January 2010 @ 13:38 |
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a job for judge judy
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30. January 2010 @ 13:43 |
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pity she is in the USA
and no need for a judge you can read what it says in law so no contest
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30. January 2010 @ 14:59 |
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Good post. I've surfed around on this about and its a bit muddy. Even the law you quote is open to interpretation. In essence you have paid for your subscription and it is questionable that you should not be allowed use it in multiple rooms. Also the UPC stance on not allowing you to use a different box to connect to their network is the UPC stance. So if they find you use a different box then they disconnect you as these are their rules. However this is not the a legal thing it is a local provider rule.
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31. January 2010 @ 07:13 |
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go to the actual site i just took a small bit out of it there is plenty more on that for you to read
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31. January 2010 @ 11:58 |
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Just a word on the topic of CS.
I know it's illegal but I cam across a site that offers a free cs server.
Have a look(remove spaces):
www. free card sharing servers. net
Note once again this is illegal.
Maybe someone who is using a cs server could test some of these out.
Sorry if I shouldn't have posted this.
I will remove if required!
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31. January 2010 @ 14:19 |
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Shanno06, what you have pointed out has been said multiple times on this forum. Card sharers are gangsters. If you want to go down this line you will have your IP listed on an illegal service and you will pay the cost. Posting of card server websites on this forum, if not banned, should be banned.
E45, I did what you asked and I'll just copy a part of the T&C stuff associated with UPC
15. Unauthorised Use of Television Service
15.1 It is illegal to copy, distribute copies, show in public or rebroadcast any part of the
television programmes or channels provided to you as part of the Television Service
without the consent of the copyright owner. Therefore you may only use the Television
Service for private use and it must not be accessible by the general public or in a
communal viewing area. There are some limited exceptions to these restrictions that
allow, for example, the Television Service to be viewed in schools or copying for the
purpose of time shifting for private or domestic use. It is your responsibility to ensure you
are legally entitled to rely on such exceptions or obtain the consent of the copyright
owner before you do so.
I'm not sure if this is what you are getting at but maybe it is. The reality is that you pay a subscription and you are allowed to use it for personal use. I've already posted a practical multimedia solution that does not require DVBs in every room and is a bog-standard solution.
Two critical issues. One what is legal and two what is associated with your contract. The legal issue is plain and the contract issue is plain.
Now at this point I will totally apologize for getting stroppy about what has been posted on this site and my reaction was over the top. To this end I apologize to you, to Mickah and to many of the guys who have in the past and continue to be helpful to all members in this forum. Indeed ye guys have been there for a long time now helping all the members out.
But I would like you to accept a couple of things. Obviously this whole game is a bit of a passion and loads of fun. The legal issue is simple. Yous cannot use a CS network outside your private residence. This is illegal and I apologise for my post 'the state of the game' (I will not answer this post in any meaningful way in future) as this was outside forum parameters. However no matter what way you look at it there is no basis for not being able to share within your own residence. In this case it is just the greed of the TV providers. As I pointed out it is not a legal issue if you do not use a UPC box within your premises. If they are unhappy they can disconnect you but that is as far as it goes.
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31. January 2010 @ 18:31 |
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e45 and fintannl great debate if you guys arent into politics i think its about time you made a career change, great stuff. On another note great show of respect fintannl, but think you might not want to spread that upsee info any further as they'l try change there t&c's, point well made though. Also if you dont mind me askin you said in last post "I've already posted a practical multimedia solution that does not require DVBs in every room and is a bog-standard solution.", i havent noticed this post could you refer me to it, thank you?
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31. January 2010 @ 18:52 |
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Sitja, link was http://davisfreeberg.com/2006/11/03/moto...i-room-viewing/
Let me say that this is just to prove that multi-room viewing is by no means illegal and does not require paying further subsrription costs.
However I do in no way back up that this is the best or cheapest solution to do just that. There I have my own opinions.
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sitja
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31. January 2010 @ 19:05 |
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Well most certainly agreed put it this way you have a house with one sub and buy 3 boxes to use in various rooms and share card limits all those boxes add up, i read in an earlier post that you said cs days maybe numbereed like with that sky italia thing. doesnt that mean this method of in house sharing is also about to run its course.
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31. January 2010 @ 19:27 |
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thats associated with external sharing where there is a lag on your broadband connection. This lag does not exist internal to your network. It is possible for TV provider to extend the ECMs challenging your system where the broadband lag could be a major issue. No such lag exists internal to your broadband network.
Also there are ways around the lag, but that is in current design. The current thought is to buffer signals for a short period which would mean that all receivers must have some level of memory available to buffer this lag
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sitja
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31. January 2010 @ 19:34 |
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ah means and ways my man to bad dm500s has insufficient memory would other boxes with hard drives be more effective??
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31. January 2010 @ 19:54 |
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Relax, even the DM500 has memory space. Not much but we are talking about very little space. Just buffering milliseconds of information until the new rescan information becomes available. Easily availible in the /var/ directory. Wait until it happens. No crisis yet. This is kinda worst case so don't freak just yet. Lots of very intelligent people looking at this. As I said in an earlier post its all about the fun of it. The answer will be provided when needed. But do remember the internal broadband issue is not an issue and will not be an issue for some time. So be unworried about streaming internally in your home
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1. February 2010 @ 06:21 |
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you may be interested in these posts from another forun:
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This box includes access to a C/S server for N3 Ireland, not UK. I guess you can connect to any C/S server, but as the Irish server is included in the price, there is no point in getting one in the UK as you are paying for something that you cannot use.
BTW, some people do refer to C/S as the N3 hack.
I've moved this thread to the starview section.
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......but as the Irish server is included in the price, ........
hmm, I wonder how long that will work for.
Its ok as long as boxes are being sold to support the server but what happens once the market is saturated. Who's going to maintain the subscriptions ?
For Ireland, I think there's somwhere close to 20 transponders so thats likely to be 20 subs required. Plus, the NTL areas will likely still have different card info to the Chorus areas so that could be another 20 subs required.
Dunno what the price of a sub is in Ireland but lets say they average out at 50Euro each (A lot of the cards wont need to be full sub) so thats 40 * 50 = 2000Euro a month just to maintain the subs. If its done properly then you really should double up on cards to prevent certain forms of attack so that could potentially be 4000Euro a month
So, where's that money going to come from once box sales start to drop off ?
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1. February 2010 @ 06:54 |
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Why would anyone want to buy extra boxes when Upc do them for a ?5.00 per room extra on a multiroom sub
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printer43
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5. February 2010 @ 10:53 |
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Wow.. Got my new starview this morning! Lo and behold, It bloody works! Let the good times roll.
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westham88
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5. February 2010 @ 14:17 |
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Where are you based? and can you provide proof?
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5. February 2010 @ 15:08 |
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Originally posted by printer43:
Wow.. Got my new starview this morning! Lo and behold, It bloody works! Let the good times roll.
Keep the information to yourself less said the better !!!!
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tdtd80
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5. February 2010 @ 17:48 |
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im lost now
and i winked when i should have nodded (just read all the thread)
lol
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5. February 2010 @ 18:18 |
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Originally posted by tdtd80:
im lost now
and i winked when i should have nodded (just read all the thread)
lol
T
+1 8-)
Going to bin my Kryptview
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