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Ubisoft defends 'Assassin's Creed 2' DRM
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article published on 22 February, 2010
Last week we reported that Ubisoft's new Assassin's Creed 2 for PC was given DRM that requires a constant Internet connection for the game to work. If your Internet drops for any reason, you are kicked from the game, losing all progress you have made since the last save.
Ubisoft has defended their actions today, via an interview with CVG.
The full interview (definitely worth reading ... [ read the full article ]
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22. February 2010 @ 13:00 |
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Creating a game which relies on an internet connection to run is pathetic - end of.
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jony218
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22. February 2010 @ 13:25 |
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Unless this new DRM is "rootkit" based it is probably doom to failure. Only Sony has ever produce a DRM (the rootkit) that was immune to all circumvention. Unfortunately it was just too powerful and the FEDs forced them to remove it bringing tranquility back to the world.
If you loose your internet, all you will have is a useless "paperweight".
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22. February 2010 @ 13:32 |
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I hope these companies realize that actions like these are actually influencing pirating more than deterring it.
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22. February 2010 @ 13:38 |
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Don't buy it, at all.
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22. February 2010 @ 13:42 |
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I have to say sadly that I will have to pass on there games... I like a lot of them so not to happy about it.
If they had a grace period like steam to play offline for say 30 days I would still buy them.
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22. February 2010 @ 13:44 |
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Originally posted by gnovak1:
I hope these companies realize that actions like these are actually influencing pirating more than deterring it.
Yup. So they make an on-line server that does X and Y, someone else makes a 3rd party one (that you can run locally) that does the same thing. Done, DRM cracked.
I would seriously give up on trying to do on-line games pirated if you are still trying. That's where you choose to buy the game or not. That's where I draw my line. The difficulties you experience with a pirated copy is just not worth the effort and time you will lose, such as the current state of L4D2 on-line: cracked one day, fixed the next. And then what? Hope for a crack in < 24 hours? Crackers have lives too.
If it was not such a leeching and never give back anything system (P2P, and seeding is not 'giving back'), then maybe this problem would not be so prevalent. But it seems crackers are more than willing to give out their work, and every 12-year old out there thinks 'I can get the game for free; why doesn't it work! waaaaaah'. That's what I hate about it.
If they are going to get rid of that kind of attitude about games (and other content), I am all for it. Content at a fair price is a good thing. Fair price is of course subjective but I've paid for games when the price goes down, music ($0.89-1.29/£0.99 per song), and other types of content (especially when you CANNOT find it for free anywhere, but this should not be the only motivation to buy content).
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22. February 2010 @ 13:49 |
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Horrible excuse, all i hear is..."don't buy me" and "I dont want your business." Everyone should start emailing UBISOFT tech support and voice your disapproval.
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22. February 2010 @ 13:52 |
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This is gonna be a huge nightmare. The only games that aren't really pirated are those with great online, but even those are pirated. Try giving some incentive to buy the game and people will do so!
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domie
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22. February 2010 @ 14:04 |
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Originally posted by Amak:
Try giving some incentive to buy the game and people will do so!
Whilst I don't agree with the ubisoft policy at all we all know what you are saying is not true. Even if they sold it for $ 5 and removed the online DRM protection crap , release groups would still pirate it just so they could get kudos for it and let everyone know how fab they are.
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22. February 2010 @ 14:14 |
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Nobody forces anybody to download anything.. and the release groups allow a proper "try before buy" feature that any manufacturer worth a damn should by now accept is what people want.. not some half crippled demo.
I remember when game demos were a couple of levels so you got a real taste of what you were expected to fork out for.. oops.. that's all most games are these day.. a couple of levels..
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theskydiv
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22. February 2010 @ 14:14 |
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Originally posted by Amak:
Try giving some incentive to buy the game and people will do so!
Whilst I don't agree with the ubisoft policy at all we all know what you are saying is not true. Even if they sold it for $ 5 and removed the online DRM protection crap , release groups would still pirate it just so they could get kudos for it and let everyone know how fab they are.
Sure its going to be pirated but it gives the people who buy games more incentive. For me i'd gladly buy a game not to hassell with a crack. This just makes me more willing to skip it and move on to something that is less of a hassell than downloading a cracked verison to play in my style. I think i'll skip all Ubisoft titles for now.
When i was in the Army there were times I had no internet connection and only could play single player games; this would prevent that too. Just a stupid policy in general and gives me no "PERKS" as they claim. This is a big F U to serious PC gamers who buy games.
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The first: you don't need a disc
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But you need the internet?!? PLEASE! So that "Advantage" is moot!
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the game on as many PCs as you like, as many times as you like.
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And the third: the automatic uploading of savegames to Ubisoft's servers.
I have enough harddrive space thanks and I'm not going to be running over to my buddies house to play some social Single Player gaming... Is this guy for real? They are really trying to sell me on the "perks"....
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22. February 2010 @ 14:38 |
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not big fan of pc games, but i used to be now i moved on to consoles, cuz i just think some games are MEANT for consoles.
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22. February 2010 @ 14:58 |
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Well there is a good reason to to never buy ubi soft again....
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22. February 2010 @ 15:00 |
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Ubisoft dropped the ball on this. They realize they f$%ked up and now are backpeddling trying to save face, as its quite apparent that ac2 will have abysmal sales from the $hitstorm that has erupted over this news (Ars Technica, Gamespot, Eurogamer, Wired, etc). Just look at the comments section of any gaming sites who have a write-up about this.
Anyway, not going to buy it. Will just wait for Razor's release which should be a few days after release if not sooner.
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22. February 2010 @ 15:04 |
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my timeline for this getting cracked is a week MAX! DRM is such a waste of time by the developers especially if its going to get hacked
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22. February 2010 @ 15:38 |
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Should the sales not be worth a damn once they implement the new system, it may be enough to deter them from doing it to future games. The obvious simple solution to this problem for people concerned about it, is don't buy it; convince others not to buy it, and educate people on why this is a bad idea.
Why should anyone pay full retail price on a game, that as someone said and I quote, "is a paper weight", because you can't play it if you offline. That means if you want to install it on a laptop, go take a flight someone and play it, can't. That means even while riding in a car or bus state to state, or across countries, most people can't, as connecting to that many wireless connections continuously just isn't worth it.
For anyone not traveling and just staying home, have fun if you ISP disconnects or their DRM servers do. This is just bad bad bad judgment and the only saving grace from this nightmare is to not let Ubisoft have any sales from it. Eventually once they can't sell it on PC, they will have to make the choice to stop making PC games or to stop using that sad DRM.
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22. February 2010 @ 17:24 |
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Wait a min... "The second: that you can install
the game on as many PCs as you like, as many times as you like."
WTF? So if one person buys the game...and then shares that disc to 100 others...then they get the game for free (as long as they are connected to the internet)...but yet, one person buying the game and then uploading it for 100 people to download...is bad? Wtf is the difference besides the physical disc being passed around?
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22. February 2010 @ 17:42 |
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we will boycott it like we do every company that thinks drm will save them.
actual game sales 114 million
pirated DRM free version 1 billion.
hit them where it hurts the most the pocket book.
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22. February 2010 @ 17:53 |
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Originally posted by gldoorii:
Wait a min... "The second: that you can install
the game on as many PCs as you like, as many times as you like."
WTF? So if one person buys the game...and then shares that disc to 100 others...then they get the game for free (as long as they are connected to the internet)...but yet, one person buying the game and then uploading it for 100 people to download...is bad? Wtf is the difference besides the physical disc being passed around?
You will have an account for the online server is what they mean. So you can install it on any PC in the world but would need your own username/pw to play it, that will be created with some type of auth code I imagine.
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22. February 2010 @ 18:32 |
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Originally posted by gldoorii:
Wait a min... "The second: that you can install
the game on as many PCs as you like, as many times as you like."
WTF? So if one person buys the game...and then shares that disc to 100 others...then they get the game for free (as long as they are connected to the internet)...but yet, one person buying the game and then uploading it for 100 people to download...is bad? Wtf is the difference besides the physical disc being passed around?
You will have an account for the online server is what they mean. So you can install it on any PC in the world but would need your own username/pw to play it, that will be created with some type of auth code I imagine.
So if I buy it, and want to play it on my pc on weekends, and loan the disc to my friend in another part of the city, he can login and play it mon-friday. Correct?
Big fail on Ubisoft's part...maybe for their next game they will engineer their own custom mice/optical eye scan device where you have to authenticate your iris and/or hand before you can play.
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22. February 2010 @ 18:37 |
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updated to-do-list:
*get an xbox fro 170$
*pirate all ubisoft games to hell
*get drunk and laugh like a maniac
*flood ubisoft support with the message i hacked ur games using a proxy and hidden ip service followed by "MUHAHAHA"
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Originally posted by gldoorii:
Wait a min... "The second: that you can install
the game on as many PCs as you like, as many times as you like."
WTF? So if one person buys the game...and then shares that disc to 100 others...then they get the game for free (as long as they are connected to the internet)...but yet, one person buying the game and then uploading it for 100 people to download...is bad? Wtf is the difference besides the physical disc being passed around?
You will have an account for the online server is what they mean. So you can install it on any PC in the world but would need your own username/pw to play it, that will be created with some type of auth code I imagine.
So if I buy it, and want to play it on my pc on weekends, and loan the disc to my friend in another part of the city, he can login and play it mon-friday. Correct?
Big fail on Ubisoft's part...maybe for their next game they will engineer their own custom mice/optical eye scan device where you have to authenticate your iris and/or hand before you can play.
LOL! Good point! He wont even need the disc after install; just your user name and password!
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23. February 2010 @ 03:59 |
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Originally posted by gldoorii:
Wait a min... "The second: that you can install
the game on as many PCs as you like, as many times as you like."
WTF? So if one person buys the game...and then shares that disc to 100 others...then they get the game for free (as long as they are connected to the internet)...but yet, one person buying the game and then uploading it for 100 people to download...is bad? Wtf is the difference besides the physical disc being passed around?
You will have an account for the online server is what they mean. So you can install it on any PC in the world but would need your own username/pw to play it, that will be created with some type of auth code I imagine.
So if I buy it, and want to play it on my pc on weekends, and loan the disc to my friend in another part of the city, he can login and play it mon-friday. Correct?
Big fail on Ubisoft's part...maybe for their next game they will engineer their own custom mice/optical eye scan device where you have to authenticate your iris and/or hand before you can play.
LOL! Good point! He wont even need the disc after install; just your user name and password!
Okay, people seem to be confused about how this works these days. Really, most software works the same way. (Any Windows OS is a great example). The data is irrelevant. What you are buying is the LICENSE to the software. That means, YOU are allowed to install and run the software on as many PCs as it is specified in the license agreement. In this particular case, I think the Ubisoft people are being extremely deceptive. It is of no benefit or "perk" whatsoever to be allowed to install the software on as many PCs as you wish. ALL software works that way. What IS critical is that you are not allowed to USE the software on multiple PCs at the same exact point in time. Now, to monitor and prevent this, along with this License you are purchasing comes an ACCOUNT, with a user name and password. If they "catch you" running the software on two different computers at the same exact time, watch and see what will happen. With this type of arrangement, Ubisoft maintains complete CONTROL over that license at all times. Typically, when certain accounts are abused to a point above a certain tolerance, the account is simply blacklisted and disabled. Basically, the person that originally purchased the software is screwed. The only option is to go crawling back to Ubisoft to beg for another license key or account. Something which they may or may not grant. Save your receipts people!
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Originally posted by B33rdrnkr:
What about for ps3?
The PS3 and 360 will not have these problems considering the fact that Live is the 360's main feature and the PS3 currently cannot run pirated material.
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