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license protected movies, how to backup
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wildhorse
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4. May 2004 @ 19:54 |
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Firstly, if I have posted in the wrong area, I appologise.
My question is this, if anyone can help, I would greatly apreciate it.
I have just purchased a downloaded movie for personal viewing valid for 7 days only, which is in wmv format.
I double click the movie, get a pop up window saying a license is required to play the selected content. To obtain the license, I must visit the content provider's webpage. I am given a yes or no selection. If I click on no, windows media player wont play it saying I need a license to perform the requested operation.
So I go back to the movie, get the same pop up about visiting the providers webpage. I click on yes, get taken to a license aquistion box, enter my username & password & then click on play, & the movie plays with no problems.
What I am wanting to do is this. I would like to be able to put the movie onto cd, so I can watch it as I like, after the 7 days have expired, without having to go through all the license aquistion.
Has anyone else come across this? & if so, does any one know how to be able to put the movie onto cd & get around the license aquisiton, which is only valid for 7 days ?
Any help or sugestions are greatly appreciated.
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5. May 2004 @ 06:52 |
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5. -> PIRACY AND LINKING TO PIRATED MATERIAL IS STRICTLY PROHIBITED, YOUR ACCOUNT WILL BE FROZEN IF YOU DO THIS <-
This is clearly a piracy question and therefore clearly against the rules.
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msb5150
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5. May 2004 @ 07:23 |
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First and foremost: How is this piracy? He paid for the movie and now wants to use it whenever he wants, sounds like a valid claim to me. Now to the question: You may find problems trying to copy this movie, as it will only run in windows media player, and the protection involved is actually decent (with respect to some of microsoft's products) The only way I can think of to copy this movie would be to find some program that allow's you to record whatever you're doing on your computer, you might also try recording it from a video out port, however, as this is sometimes the case with protected windows media audio, the license you have obtained my prevent wmp from unlocking your video out driver.
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5. May 2004 @ 07:45 |
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No, he paid for a license to view the movie for 7 days.
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5. May 2004 @ 08:10 |
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If he's disatisfied with the 7 day limitation of his current service then perhaps he should try a service such as Netflix, which allows him to set his own limitations. to try and copy it however is piracy pure and simple.
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andmerr
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6. May 2004 @ 01:18 |
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can some one a judicate please.This topic is in that so called grey area !!!!!!!!!
i for one would like an answer on who's right or wrong on this issue.
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jaree1961
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6. May 2004 @ 02:24 |
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I thought it was cut and dry - andmerr. Wildhorse has purchased a licence for 7 days only. Viewing of the movie after seven days or copying it is as we all know - pricacy.
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andmerr
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6. May 2004 @ 03:54 |
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jaree1961
quote: I thought it was cut and dry - andmerr. Wildhorse has purchased a licence for 7 days only. Viewing of the movie after seven days or copying it is as we all know - pricacy.
actually jaree1961 , it isnt quite cut and dry as you put it.This is actually the first time i've seen this type of query, and even though his query borders on piracy i just thought some one could put it in a bit more perspective (you know each country has a different take on piracy ) i'm not trying to be difficult but i thought that i could get an unbiased opinion and a more thoughful answer.
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6. May 2004 @ 06:08 |
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I guess I'd have to disagree with that. When you purchase a DVD you're buying a license to view that material (along with a single physical copy of the copyrighted material of course). In the case of DVD it lasts for the amount of time you own the physical copy. Meaning if you sell it to somebody else the license is transferred and you have to give all your backups to that person or destroy them (this example uses US law). The terms of this license are different, but no less valid. It's a license for 7 days. After that he's not licensed to play the video so it's piracy.
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andmerr
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6. May 2004 @ 11:51 |
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vurbal
quote:this example uses US law
see i learnt something new, (yes you can educate the old, but i dont live in america)
thanks for the response
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Praetor
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6. May 2004 @ 11:52 |
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Regardless as to whether it is or is not legal, its too boarderline (and boardering on the no-no side at that).
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6. May 2004 @ 11:59 |
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see i learnt something new, (yes you can educate the old, but i dont live in america)
Fair enough. That's why I mentioned it.
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andmerr
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6. May 2004 @ 12:11 |
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@ praetor & vurbal :
if people dont ask questions then they dont learn.Wildhorse asked a question and then got an answer from msb5150 who may not think this is piracy.As i didnt really know myself i really only wanted to get an answer as i thought it actually was a grey area.
now that you guys have set me straight
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Regardless as to whether it is or is not legal, its too boarderline (and boardering on the no-no side at that).
thank you.
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6. May 2004 @ 14:24 |
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I don't think that this is a grey area at all. If you went to Blockbuster and rented a DVD, it would not include the right to ownership of any part of it, which means the renter has no right to copy it because the fair use law would not apply here. Wildhorse?s 7 days license is essentially the same thing, a rental, but instead of having to return it in a day or two he has 7 days to view the movie before his license expires. When one buy?s a DVD one is buying a permanent license which has no expiry date and one assumes physical ownership of the disc that the movie is on. In each circumstance there is a legal statement or license that one has to agree to in order to utilize the service. Also remember that wildhorse would not have paid more than 2 or 3 dollars for the temporary license but if but if he was to buy the DVD then he would have paid considerably more.
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andmerr
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6. May 2004 @ 22:17 |
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Sophocles: i guess with that logic it is indeed piracy
thank you as well
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dclinton
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12. May 2004 @ 15:34 |
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Here is something to think about:
I purchased some pilot training materials online that also included seven one hour videos. I downloaded all seven videos. These videos have DRM installed to prevent piracy and require me to login every time I want to watch them, they do not expire. The company recently went out of business and shut down their licensing servers now I cannot login to get my license to watch the videos. Now I have seven videos that I paid for that are worthless. Anyway I can crack the DRM so I can continue to watch something I paid for? Rentals I can understand falling into the piracy law but what about this?
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13. May 2004 @ 03:01 |
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dc, if you purchased a permanent license then you have a right to do what is needed to appreciate it. I?m sorry that the company went out of business and one would think that they would have made provisions to protect those clients who?ve already paid for their service.
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eboy123
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31. May 2004 @ 18:38 |
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Same thing happened to the original DIVX with my parents and their DIVX, phone-line equipped DVD player. I think it's a fair point that permanent licenses are never permanent. I have a four disc box set of Led Zep that I bought a long time ago and the discs are getting scratched. If I download the songs and burn them, that's piracy, but it shouldn't be...
Nevertheless, I don't download cause ten grand is a heckova price tag for a song...
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31. May 2004 @ 18:45 |
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Get a scratch removal kit and then back them up. I own the Die hard set and disc 3 was no longer being read by any of my players, so I borrowed a copy from a friend and made a backup whihc is no different then if I'd made it from my original. If I legally own it then I believe that I have a reasonable right to protect it.
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wildhorse
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26. June 2004 @ 23:08 |
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hopefully this did not dupe itself, due to the reply not loading on afterdawn.
appologise for the lack of response to my thread & the replies. I appreciate the effort made to reply. I have been in hospital since starting this thread, & have only got home on saturday 26 june.
I didnt realise my thread would cause such a concern. In Australia where I live, the rules regarding piracy are as follows.
providing I own the original I have paid for, ( which I have via the license) I am allowed by law to make copies of it. As I have paid even tho it is only a license, I have the original on my hard drive. In that regards I do own the original, so there fore am allowed to use it & make copies of. Basically with the copy protect, it basically applies to the same as what a game would that is copy protected. If I own the original I am allowed to copy it, regardless of any copy protect, as the same as any movie that is copy protected, if I own the movie I may copy it. if I did not own it, & i made a copy that is where piracy comes into it. In that case I do not own it, so therefore is piracy.
But as to the question I posted to start, the laws as they stand in Australia state that I do own the movie, there fore am allowed to copy it.
I hope that clarifies some of the problems.
Best regards
Wildhorse.
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Praetor
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27. June 2004 @ 00:10 |
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hopefully this did not dupe itself, due to the reply not loading on afterdawn.
Dealt with :)
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I have been in hospital since starting this thread, & have only got home on saturday 26 june.
Bummer! Hope you're all better :)
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If I own the original I am allowed to copy it, regardless of any copy protect, as the same as any movie that is copy protected, if I own the movie I may copy it.
Just a clarification -- just a single copy right?
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deadcat
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27. June 2004 @ 00:25 |
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Australian law is actually more stringent than most. Technically there is no "fair use" allowance in australian copyright law
i would recommend a read of these
http://www.copyright.org.au/PDF/InfoSheets/G069.pdf
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Ownership of copyright vs. ownership of a physical item
Copyright is separate from the physical item in which material is embodied. The fact that you own a copy of a film does not mean that you own copyright in that film or have the right to use the fim in the ways reserved for the copyright owner
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Can i copy a film I own into a new format
If you want to reproduce a film that is protected by copyright you will need permission from the copyright owner unless all the copyrights have expired or a special exception applies. Converting a film to a new format will involve making a reproduction of the film; this is something only the copyright owner has the right to do
That includes changing from dvd-rom to dvd+/-r, or CD to CD-r
http://www.copyright.org.au/PDF/InfoSheets/G070.pdf
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there is no general right for individuals to copy recorded music, even from a CD you own
there is no general right to copyright material for personal use (or "fair use" right)under Australian law.
ownership of a physical item does not give you the right to make copies.......the copyright act does not permit making back-up copies of recorded music on CDs or in any other format......in the early 1990's, the government introduced a "blank tape levy" scheme in Australia, under which private taping of recorded music would have been made legal...howerver, the High Court ruled it unconstitutional....A levy for recodable media such as blank CDs has again been recently proposed in Australia, however, the present government has not responded to the proposal
In other words, it would pay to find out who your state member for parliment is and start petitioning. Once the blank media levy is passed you will have a 'Fair Use' right to back up media you own
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listenary
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29. June 2004 @ 22:19 |
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Ok, maybe I'm a bit out of line here, but I can't help but laugh. I think the shear irony of this forum is hilarious. At the beginning of this thread, a gentleman asked about the knowledge base of a particular form of copying a DRM v2.2 .wmv file.... The conversation immediately stifled and became a topic of constitutions, international bylaws and such. As the owner of an audio/video production company, let me assure you that the law is quite clear; it's not the law that we're having trouble with, but our own perceptions of exactly what that law means. It's very evident in this forum. I had to re-read the post to get different views of the "law" as each person saw it.
As per the forum goes, Deadcat is on target. When you buy a DVD movie, you're not "buying" the movie at all. You are purchasing a nice circular piece of formed plastic that contains video and audio images. This piece of plastic just happens to come with certain restricted rights to view its contents. You in no way whatsoever have purchased any right to the AV content contained on the disc. Thus, if you sell the disc to someone else, you have sold the item for its physical being, and not its contents. You have sold or transferred no such licenses for the content on that disc (unless you are a licensed distributor). This is the loophole that some eBay sellers use to sell pirated material. The seller is auctioning a piece of plastic which just "happens" to contain contents that a buyer might be interested in. eBay has been notified many times about sellers that are "blaitantly obvious" in auctioning pirated material (I've reported several myself), and have received personal responses that the physical items that they are selling are not unlawful to sell.
Depending on the country in which you live, the physical act of copying is perfectly legal. For many reading this forum, you can copy things until your heart's content. Many of you will have broken no physical law by placing one circular disc into your computer and transferring information to another circular disc. You have broken copyright rules when you USE the copied material in a manner insufficient with your particular law.
So, by this train of thought, when Wildhorse said that he'd like the knowledge of copying a particular movie so he could view it later, then technically, he's committed no act of piracy. Remember, this isn't "Minority Report".... We can't arrest him for something that he's thinking about doing. What he does once he's gained the correct knowledge may indeed point to piracy, but until he's successfully done it, the piracy is only theoretical, not physical. Thus, "Piracy And Linking To Pirated Material" hasn't actually happened.
I'm sorry, I will now step down from my soapbox and go back to the cheap seats. Before I do that, however, might I bring up the point of irony that makes me giggle everytime I think about it? The next time you go to login to these forums, pay particular attention the advertised products this site supports. Most of them, at least as of this posting, pertained to copying/decrypting software. Now, I ask you, doesn't supporting software that is used to pirate material explicitly go against your own "No Piracy and Linking to Pirated Material" rule? If you think not, then I submit that Wildhorse has committed no more act of piracy than you have.
(.....I know, I know, I know, you'll only use it to make backups.... right... gotcha. That's why DVD's have a shelf life of 100 years, because we all know so many people that wear them out...........)
Please, this post was not intended to offend. It's just to show that as some of us wag our fingers high in the air at others, we're not too far from someone else's finger. That's just my opinion. I'll sit back and see what controversy this stirs up.
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1. July 2004 @ 05:54 |
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A very sage summary from Listenary. I think you're bang on the button. Of course, this site needs to cover its ass, and that's why we have the no piracy posting rules. However, before anyone succumbs to pious urges and starts wagging their finger it would be a good idea to ponder the origin of the contents of their HDD and what exactly they understand by the term 'backup'.
And on the topic of backing up - I'm trying to back up an AVI to DVD but although the AVI is fine the resulting DVD has terrible sound sync. I'm using Nero Vision Express 2. If you have any wise words please see my post in 'playback problems' forum.
GT-R
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1. July 2004 @ 06:31 |
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listenary
Read this:
http://www.protectfairuse.org/consumers/now_playing.html
It's at best an ambiguous law but whether we own the physical disc or just a right to use its contents, should the phsyical disc itself be damaged then so does our continued rights to that content. Many of us believe that we should the right to be able to protect our investments. The law allows for single copy backups of CD's and VHS tapes. It doesn't explicitly prohibit the backing up of DVDs but it is illegal to use software to circumvent the encryptions that prevent it.
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