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New Cinavia DRM takes aim at pirates
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The following comments relate to this news article:
article published on 3 March, 2010
FileShareFreak has a very interesting report out today about Cinavia DRM, which is a new audio watermarking technology that takes aim at pirates, and those trying to playback movie downloads via their PlayStation 3s.
The site says the watermarking works by "comparing the source of the audio to the format in which a movie was released (ie theatrical or commercial disc), and if the watermarked ... [ read the full article ]
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2. August 2011 @ 02:09 |
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Originally posted by mike2321x:
Originally posted by hidehi:
Why moan about sony etc stopping people from breaking the law and protecting their profits. every time some one gets a pirated film/cd etc instead of buying it, the companies lose out.
its against the law for a reason because its stealing from the companies, directors actors etc. if they dont make enough money they'll stop making films. so you wont be able to piraye films coz their wont be any films to pirate.
I haven't got a problem with pirated films but obviously it'll come to a point when its near impossible to pirate dvds. so just make the most of it while you can.
lol your wrong people will always find a way to torrent movies. heck i have a friend who seems to be trying to find away to damage the unheard sound that cinavia responds too when his ripper copies the disk... what it basically will do is mute or heavily damage the sound waves to the point of it not being read able. seeing as you cant hear this protection you wouldn't hear the damaged sound waves when it plays
that is an AWESOME idea! let me know if your friend makes any hewadway on that :) we definitely need more innovators when it comes to people destroying our freedoms.
and to hidehi, dude, are you talking about the MILLIONS of dollars that the actors get while people like me can barely afford to RENT a single DVD a month? quite frankly, when DVDs (and CDs, for that matter) first came out, the music and movie industries promised that the prices would go down in them after they'd been out for awhile. that never happened, and NOW we have BLURAY discs, which are even MORE expensive! add to that the point that they were talking about MERGING the BluRay and DVD into a single package so that you couldn't buy one without the other, and you have yourself a serious issue with OVERCHARGING! in THIS HORRIBLE ECONOMY? they're lucky i still BUY any DVDs (i do, but must pace myself, so i don't get another disconnect notice on my electricity bill).
and if you STILL disagree with me, then i ask you this:
how is BUYING a DVD or CD and taking the time to rip it, upload it, and distribute it AT YOUR OWN COST any different than buying an apple and planting the seed, growing your own apples, and giving them to your friends (other than the time needed to grow a tree)? if the music and movie industries didn't want music and movies ripped to peoples' PCs and shared with other fans, why would they put it in a format that people can easily play in their computers?
CD Players > CD Drives > CD Burners
DVD Players > DVD Drives > DVD Burners
BluRay Players > BluRay Drives > BluRay Burners
it's simple logic.
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DADEO1
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2. August 2011 @ 03:48 |
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Originally posted by hidehi:
Why moan about sony etc stopping people from breaking the law and protecting their profits. every time some one gets a pirated film/cd etc instead of buying it, the companies lose out.
its against the law for a reason because its stealing from the companies, directors actors etc. if they dont make enough money theyll stop making films. so you wont be able to piraye films coz their wont be any films to pirate.
I havent got a problem with pirated films but obviously itll come to a point when its near impossible to pirate dvds. so just make the most of it while you can.
Yea right, the actors are going to get REAL JOBS. Never in a Million years will any of them get real jobs for regular pay.
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2. August 2011 @ 15:44 |
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Originally posted by DRMs = Proof of hell:
Or you can just ignore the whole effing cinavia crap, tell sony to go fuck themselves to high heavens. And use your brains and use your pc to playback movies :) have not had a problem, got a BD DvD combo drive from samsung, manufactured at Q3 of 2010. no cinavia crap on mah BD rips :) all hail the pirates and long live the piratebay for providing quality rips. saves me a huge amount of money when i want to find out which movie is actually worth paying the 7,5 euros to go and watch it in the cinema... the movie reviews are so fucking worthless to consumers these days.
you are right about so much it is scary! but i think that many of us want to be able to watch our movies on our BIG SCREEN TV, and not everyone has the leisure of connecting the PC to it. PLUS, we may want to take a movie to a friend's to watch, and if they have a PS3, we are kcufed!
the point is that it's OUR hardware, and we just want it to work the same way it always has up until recent months. i guarantee you that anybody who bought a PS3 when they first came out, if they got it home and they couldn't watch their movies? well, they'd just box it up and take it back, and maybe HD-DVD might have won the "HD wars" instead of BluRay...
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5. August 2011 @ 00:32 |
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4. December 2011 @ 19:03 |
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Press Releases / Announcements
AACS Announces Schedule for the Inclusion of Cinavia in Blu-ray Disc Players
Verance?s watermark-based content protection technology becomes mandatory
July 20, 2011 ? SAN DIEGO ? AACS LA, LLC today announced that, pursuant to the provisions of its license agreements with Blu-ray Disc player manufacturers, the inclusion of the Cinavia technology from Verance Corporation will become mandatory for all Blu-ray Disc players as of February 1, 2012.
Cinavia, the standard for protection of filmed entertainment content, employs Verance watermarking technologies to extend the existing content security architecture for Blu-ray Disc to protect against the use of unauthorized copies of commercial movies, such as those originating from in-theater camcording or ?ripped? Blu-ray Discs or DVDs. Cinavia has been licensed by major motion picture studios including Universal Studios, Sony Pictures Entertainment, Warner Bros. Entertainment, and Twentieth Century Fox Film Corporation and employed in numerous theatrical, Blu-ray Disc, and DVD releases.
Cinavia has been an element of AACS? architecture since June 2009, when AACS LA issued their final technical specifications and license agreements. Since then, Cinavia has been licensed by dozens of Blu-ray Disc player and component manufacturers, integrated into leading Blu-ray Disc player chipsets, and deployed in over 45 million Blu-ray Disc players sold to consumers.
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5. December 2011 @ 13:37 |
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5. December 2011 @ 21:52 |
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Originally posted by DADEO1:
Is Cinavia used on just Blu-Ray players and not on non Blu-Ray DVD players?
it is used on MANY new devices, including anything that plays BluRay discs, such as PS3s, but mostly on BluRay Players, as it is now mandatory, unfortunately.
the only current way to circumvent this is to get a player made before 2009, and now they are boosting the price on them on eBay, because they know they can...
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5. December 2011 @ 22:48 |
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http://www.dvdfab.com/cinavia.htm
"DVDFab Blu-ray Copy firstly supports Cinavia protection in the world and can lead you out of the above plight. How does it work? Blu-ray Copy now can copy any Blu-ray disc with Cinavia watermark, and create a protected disc (BDMV-REC) to disable Civania for playback on PS3. Keep in mind that you can only accomplish this in either "Full Disc" or "Main Movie" mode using Blu-ray Copy, check "Create Protected Disc (BDMV-REC) to disable Cinavia" option, and choose output as BD 50 / BD 25."
Im not sure if this works or what. Anyone try this?
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5. December 2011 @ 23:49 |
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it works, but you MUST use BDMV-REC compatible BR discs, which i am told costs more.
also, we STILL have not solved the problem of copying BR to DVD, as THEY still give much grief to the rest of us who don't own BR Burners...
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9. December 2011 @ 13:24 |
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Just to let you know that DVDFab Has a DVD and BluRay decryptor. it does make a BDMV. You can burn it to a disc with ImgBurn. Then use any copy DVD or BluRay or converter program.
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9. December 2011 @ 13:47 |
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Originally posted by tinner45:
Just to let you know that DVDFab Has a DVD and BluRay decryptor. it does make a BDMV. You can burn it to a disc with ImgBurn. Then use any copy DVD or BluRay or converter program.
How does this help the Cinvaia issue?
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9. December 2011 @ 19:32 |
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Originally posted by tinner45:
Just to let you know that DVDFab Has a DVD and BluRay decryptor. it does make a BDMV. You can burn it to a disc with ImgBurn. Then use any copy DVD or BluRay or converter program.
yes, we all know now that DVDFab DECRYPTS the BluRay Cinavia discs. what i am saying is that it doesn't allow to to copy BluRay content to a DVD in a manner that allows it to play on a PS3 without the Cinavia bull$#!+.
once it can do THAT, let me know...
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11. December 2011 @ 08:30 |
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Originally posted by DVDBack23:
Originally posted by tinner45:
Just to let you know that DVDFab Has a DVD and BluRay decryptor. it does make a BDMV. You can burn it to a disc with ImgBurn. Then use any copy DVD or BluRay or converter program.
How does this help the Cinvaia issue?
Originally posted by darkflux:
Originally posted by tinner45:
Just to let you know that DVDFab Has a DVD and BluRay decryptor. it does make a BDMV. You can burn it to a disc with ImgBurn. Then use any copy DVD or BluRay or converter program.
yes, we all know now that DVDFab DECRYPTS the BluRay Cinavia discs. what i am saying is that it doesn't allow to to copy BluRay content to a DVD in a manner that allows it to play on a PS3 without the Cinavia bull$#!+.
once it can do THAT, let me know...
Look all I know is that It does does decrypt the move and one thing I didn't say is I use BD-RB to reencode and shrink or leave it the same but does take alot of time. I think BD-RB makes the BDMV protected and I burn Imgburn. I haven't heard anyone say there was any water marks,just agreat BluRay movie.
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21. December 2011 @ 18:21 |
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Originally posted by Kyo_47:
Select 'Sound Settings' under the 'Settings' section, select 'Optical' and place a tick against all output options. You will get a warning that this could damage speakers so proceed with caution. There is another setting under the 'Sound Settings' which relates to enabling multiple outputs, set this to 'On'. I have tried this and it works, movie plays without any banner popping up.
i hope that idea works.
well it doesn't so stop lying
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21. December 2011 @ 18:24 |
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i'm not lying, so dont say bullshit, still works for me and i still have kmeaw 3.55 firmware.
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21. December 2011 @ 21:42 |
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darkflux did you try BD-RB? It does give you a proteced disc. I don't know if it will play in a PS3 or not. You do have to decrypt the movie with DVDFaB then BD-RB will shrink it to a DVD-5 still in Bluray format.
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4. January 2012 @ 12:33 |
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Originally posted by darkflux:
i believe he was referring to DVDs, since many people dL movies, then burn them to DVD, since BR discs are so *^cking expensive...
presently, only BRs have the Cinavia, but that may change soon :( . people rip them to MKVs and share them with others, who then make DVDs.
remember, most downloaders only download because they can't AFFORD to rent them (or buy them for that matter, especially with the economy like it is). some of us may be able to afford to buy BR discs in bulk, but those of us living on a dollar a day (or less) due to bills can barely afford BLANK DVDs, let alone ones with content written on them!
now maybe if they dropped the price of pre-rec DVDs like they said they would when the format first came out...
So, I guess that means it's ok to steal content...Unbelievable!! If ya can't afford it, ya can't have it! Hell, I'd like a Ferrari, but I can't afford it... It doesn't give me the right to steal one!! Geez!
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4. January 2012 @ 12:55 |
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Also, it seems some people on this forum don't have a clue as to what they are dealing with in Cinavia....This is a badass DRM, man...Check out some of the posts in the Slysoft forum to get a feel for how difficult it will be to crack this one....It's not to say it won't be, but the DRM is tough....
It will not be defeated by some script kiddie in their basement....It is also adaptable, it has many different signals that can be used if it is broken...As a matter of fact, Verance EXPECTS it to be broken.....Commercial Blu-ray discs are on BD-ROMs, Cinavia can even detect what kind of MEDIA you are using, so anything other than a commercial BD-ROM will be rejected if that signal is encorporated on the backup disc....
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4. January 2012 @ 17:02 |
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Originally posted by donthetech:
Originally posted by darkflux:
i believe he was referring to DVDs, since many people dL movies, then burn them to DVD, since BR discs are so *^cking expensive...
presently, only BRs have the Cinavia, but that may change soon :( . people rip them to MKVs and share them with others, who then make DVDs.
remember, most downloaders only download because they can't AFFORD to rent them (or buy them for that matter, especially with the economy like it is). some of us may be able to afford to buy BR discs in bulk, but those of us living on a dollar a day (or less) due to bills can barely afford BLANK DVDs, let alone ones with content written on them!
now maybe if they dropped the price of pre-rec DVDs like they said they would when the format first came out...
So, I guess that means it's ok to steal content...Unbelievable!! If ya can't afford it, ya can't have it! Hell, I'd like a Ferrari, but I can't afford it... It doesn't give me the right to steal one!! Geez!
i didn't "steal" anything! i bought the BluRay, and want to watch it at my friend's house. he doesn't have a BluRay player, and BluRay discs are not backwards compatible with DVDs, so i am stuck!
and how is it "stealing" when i BOUGHT the BluRay disc, BOUGHT the blank discs, BOUGHT the burner, and DONATED my personal time to this project? i've pitched out MORE than enough of my own money to pay back whomever you think it is i am "stealing" from. i am GIVING, and don't you try to pervert my words again!
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4. January 2012 @ 17:05 |
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Originally posted by tinner45:
darkflux did you try BD-RB? It does give you a proteced disc. I don't know if it will play in a PS3 or not. You do have to decrypt the movie with DVDFaB then BD-RB will shrink it to a DVD-5 still in Bluray format.
yeah, i already said that we know you can use a blank BR disc to copy BR disacs for playback in PS3. you've been able to do this for quite some time now.
what you CANNOT do is to copy the BR disc to a DVD disc, and have it playback without Cin@via bugging you. the only TRUE way around this seems to be to undo the C!nav!a "update" to your PS3 (or break its functionality), without breaking the usability of the system...
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5. January 2012 @ 17:39 |
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Originally posted by darkflux:
Originally posted by donthetech:
Originally posted by darkflux:
i believe he was referring to DVDs, since many people dL movies, then burn them to DVD, since BR discs are so *^cking expensive...
presently, only BRs have the Cinavia, but that may change soon :( . people rip them to MKVs and share them with others, who then make DVDs.
remember, most downloaders only download because they can't AFFORD to rent them (or buy them for that matter, especially with the economy like it is). some of us may be able to afford to buy BR discs in bulk, but those of us living on a dollar a day (or less) due to bills can barely afford BLANK DVDs, let alone ones with content written on them!
now maybe if they dropped the price of pre-rec DVDs like they said they would when the format first came out...
So, I guess that means it's ok to steal content...Unbelievable!! If ya can't afford it, ya can't have it! Hell, I'd like a Ferrari, but I can't afford it... It doesn't give me the right to steal one!! Geez!
i didn't "steal" anything! i bought the BluRay, and want to watch it at my friend's house. he doesn't have a BluRay player, and BluRay discs are not backwards compatible with DVDs, so i am stuck!
and how is it "stealing" when i BOUGHT the BluRay disc, BOUGHT the blank discs, BOUGHT the burner, and DONATED my personal time to this project? i've pitched out MORE than enough of my own money to pay back whomever you think it is i am "stealing" from. i am GIVING, and don't you try to pervert my words again!
Look, I did not accuse you of stealing, just read what is in bold type...THAT is what I was commenting on....If you bought the disc, then no biggie.....
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