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Xbox 360 doesn't need Blu-ray, says Microsoft
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article published on 13 March, 2010
CVG has an interview with Microsoft Xbox and Entertainment's Stephen McGill, who has made it clear that digital media is the future, and not Blu-ray discs.
Says McGill: "We have no plans to adopt [a] Blu-Ray drive for the Xbox 360. In fact, the future of home entertainment started last autumn when Xbox 360 became the first and only console to offer instant-on 1080p streaming HD movies."
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13. March 2010 @ 01:03 |
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I don't see why they shouldn't make an external HDD for blu ray.. now sony is going to make bloated games so the xbox360 can't play ps3 games. There was a rumor that there was going to be a external hdd for blu ray in oct 2008, I guess this confirms that.. :/
-I have a 60gb 1st Gen PS3 if your wondering :D
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13. March 2010 @ 01:26 |
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Microsoft and it's reps have a tendency to say things like that...HDMI not being needed is one, Standardized HDD's being another as well as WiFi not being of importance to name just a few. But my most favorite recent one is when asked if a game like God Of War 3 can be done on the 360? Aaron Greenberg replied ~
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We have proved over the years, that all games can be realized on Xbox 360. Just look at titles like Final Fantasy XIII (a 576p multiplat title), Forza Motorsport 3 (only 8 cars on track, no in car cam during MP), Gears 2 (limited 5v5 player MP), and Modern Warfare 2 (another Multiplat game!?!?) on Xbox 360. These games and our leading online experiences demonstrate that Xbox 360 is the most powerful games and entertainment console in the market today. (THAT'S a doozy right there if EVER I heard one)
I know I will probably take crap for that...but I just had to say it ;P
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13. March 2010 @ 02:45 |
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Yup, the 360 does not NEED bluray support, it does not even NEED to exist. Video games and movies are not NEEDed to begin with. Seems like they should at least let you use a USB bluray drive, but you don't NEED it, so screw you!
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xnonsuchx
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13. March 2010 @ 03:19 |
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Sorry, but almost ALL people I know want physical media w/ maybe just an OPTION to download full games for the foreseeable future. Of course, publishers like the idea of digital only to get rid of the used and rental markets! Keep in mind, M$ would also like to charge people a monthly fee to use Windows/Office too...something they've been looking at since introducing XP.
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13. March 2010 @ 04:27 |
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Consider a world, not too far in the future, where content is available online and the type of DVD, BD or other future optical media source is irrelavent. Look at the direction Netflix is going and how it's crushed Blockbuster with its online move.
You can bet the Microsoft is thinking a lot more out of the box than most of us. They are already integrating their online services across the company. Also, with Facebook, Twitter, Netflix and arcade game downloads, the online experience becoming more and more a part of the console experience. As broadband speeds increase you can expect more content and experiences coming from the cloud, not optical media. Xbox Live is positioned to take advantage of this. Nintendo and Sony are not.
Capacity will be limited by the hard drive - not optical media. RIP Bluray.
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13. March 2010 @ 06:55 |
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I kinda agree, the general trend is the movement to digital media and hard drives... but I'm concerned about the degree of control this gives the corporations over stuff I'm buying (i.e. DRM).
Originally posted by gamernut:
Consider a world, not too far in the future, where content is available online and the type of DVD, BD or other future optical media source is irrelavent. Look at the direction Netflix is going and how it's crushed Blockbuster with its online move.
You can bet the Microsoft is thinking a lot more out of the box than most of us. They are already integrating their online services across the company. Also, with Facebook, Twitter, Netflix and arcade game downloads, the online experience becoming more and more a part of the console experience. As broadband speeds increase you can expect more content and experiences coming from the cloud, not optical media. Xbox Live is positioned to take advantage of this. Nintendo and Sony are not.
Capacity will be limited by the hard drive - not optical media. RIP Bluray.
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13. March 2010 @ 07:57 |
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Bluray will have a long run I think. There is still no form of streaming media that has quality even close to bluray, and most streaming media (even pay services like netflix) don't even look as good as a DVD. I know someone from microsoft announced that he thinks bluray will be the last optical media format, but that does not mean that it is about to go away.
Also, if Microsoft thinks bluray is so useless, then why did they make a HD-DVD addon for the 360? Bluray is better than HD-DVD, especialy now that they stopped making HD-DVDs. The HD-DVD drive does nothing for games (no 360 games come on HD-DVD), so it is just for movies (movies that they don't make). It is like microsoft is saying, "People want to watch HD movies, so we will offer something that does not work with HD movies, and then we will say that they don't NEED HD movies."
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13. March 2010 @ 08:55 |
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Originally posted by KillerBug:
Bluray will have a long run I think. There is still no form of streaming media that has quality even close to bluray, and most streaming media (even pay services like netflix) don't even look as good as a DVD. I know someone from microsoft announced that he thinks bluray will be the last optical media format, but that does not mean that it is about to go away.
Also, if Microsoft thinks bluray is so useless, then why did they make a HD-DVD addon for the 360? Bluray is better than HD-DVD, especialy now that they stopped making HD-DVDs. The HD-DVD drive does nothing for games (no 360 games come on HD-DVD), so it is just for movies (movies that they don't make). It is like microsoft is saying, "People want to watch HD movies, so we will offer something that does not work with HD movies, and then we will say that they don't NEED HD movies."
Why did 360 make an HD-DVD addon? Simple, A) HD-DVD was the superior format (bluray is STILL implementing things into their "standard" that HD-DVD had years ago), B) MS had a monetary stake in HD-DVD. It was in their interest to see it succeed, and C) They wanted to see sony fail and what better way than to give the option to all of the already existing 360 users to upgrade to a HD format that wasnt bluray.
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13. March 2010 @ 09:12 |
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Microsoft and it's reps have a tendency to say things like that...HDMI not being needed is one, Standardized HDD's being another as well as WiFi not being of importance to name just a few. But my most favorite recent one is when asked if a game like God Of War 3 can be done on the 360? Aaron Greenberg replied ~
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We have proved over the years, that all games can be realized on Xbox 360. Just look at titles like Final Fantasy XIII (a 576p multiplat title), Forza Motorsport 3 (only 8 cars on track, no in car cam during MP), Gears 2 (limited 5v5 player MP), and Modern Warfare 2 (another Multiplat game!?!?) on Xbox 360. These games and our leading online experiences demonstrate that Xbox 360 is the most powerful games and entertainment console in the market today. (THAT'S a doozy right there if EVER I heard one)
I know I will probably take crap for that...but I just had to say it ;P
great to see a moderator posting the way you do buddy. you have shares in sony?
lol verbal... but what oner is saying is true.
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13. March 2010 @ 12:15 |
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Microsoft and it's reps have a tendency to say things like that...HDMI not being needed is one, Standardized HDD's being another as well as WiFi not being of importance to name just a few. But my most favorite recent one is when asked if a game like God Of War 3 can be done on the 360? Aaron Greenberg replied ~
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We have proved over the years, that all games can be realized on Xbox 360. Just look at titles like Final Fantasy XIII (a 576p multiplat title), Forza Motorsport 3 (only 8 cars on track, no in car cam during MP), Gears 2 (limited 5v5 player MP), and Modern Warfare 2 (another Multiplat game!?!?) on Xbox 360. These games and our leading online experiences demonstrate that Xbox 360 is the most powerful games and entertainment console in the market today. (THAT'S a doozy right there if EVER I heard one)
I know I will probably take crap for that...but I just had to say it ;P
FF XIII is 576P? That's complete garbage! Ugh... I don't even want to try it now. If I do, I'll try it on the 360 because that's clearly what it was made for >:(
FF Versus better be of higher quality...
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Looked it up, 360 version is compressed but PS3 isn't. Makes me wonder if the game could be more then it is if it was PS3 exclusive. Probably Versus will answer that...
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Microsoft and it's reps have a tendency to say things like that...HDMI not being needed is one, Standardized HDD's being another as well as WiFi not being of importance to name just a few. But my most favorite recent one is when asked if a game like God Of War 3 can be done on the 360? Aaron Greenberg replied ~
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We have proved over the years, that all games can be realized on Xbox 360. Just look at titles like Final Fantasy XIII (a 576p multiplat title), Forza Motorsport 3 (only 8 cars on track, no in car cam during MP), Gears 2 (limited 5v5 player MP), and Modern Warfare 2 (another Multiplat game!?!?) on Xbox 360. These games and our leading online experiences demonstrate that Xbox 360 is the most powerful games and entertainment console in the market today. (THAT'S a doozy right there if EVER I heard one)
I know I will probably take crap for that...but I just had to say it ;P
great to see a moderator posting the way you do buddy. you have shares in sony?
LOL this guy reminds me a bit of vurbal..wonder why :P
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Originally posted by Ragnarok8:
I kinda agree, the general trend is the movement to digital media and hard drives... but I'm concerned about the degree of control this gives the corporations over stuff I'm buying (i.e. DRM).
I believe we will always have some sort of physical (i.e. non-streaming) media but it doesn't have to be optical media (i.e. Blu-Ray or DVD). Blu-Ray will probably be around for quite a while, I'd say ten years or so, but I believe things will eventually move to something such as flash-based media.
A company such as SlySoft will find a way around the DRM when things move away from optical media to flash-based movies, games, etc..
Just as how AnyDVD HD works for Blu-Rays or DVDs they could create "AnyFlash" that would intercept and decrypt flash drive-based movies before the OS is even aware of it. This would allow you to backup your movies to other flash drives just as you do with movies today.
As for "God of War III" not coming to the XBox 360, it's a first-party title created by Sony so I don't expect them to start producing a console-selling game for a rival console. The same thing can be said of the Halo series, it won't come to the PS3 because it's made by a company owned by Microsoft.
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Originally posted by KillerBug:
Bluray will have a long run I think. There is still no form of streaming media that has quality even close to bluray, and most streaming media (even pay services like netflix) don't even look as good as a DVD.
I stream Netflix in high definition and it looks better than my DVD's. The only problem is they don't stream surround sound yet, but that is changing in the very near future.
Although I don't really understand the move to not release an external drive, I'm sure it would sell well, I don't really see the drawback. I would probably get one if I could.
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13. March 2010 @ 14:52 |
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could it be anything to do with the 3 times microsoft/apple tried to licenece blueray drives sony saw the fact there end goal was to put it in the 360 which had stupidly run down the hd dvd road and bloked them at every turn.
As far as im aware they tried some oem manufacture, liteon and eventually sony.
If they didnt intended to go down this road they wouldnt of had the discussions.
But come on is sony going to let the competing game system have its bluray drive at a resonable cost that will let it compete.
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Originally posted by av_verbal:
great to see a moderator posting the way you do buddy. you have shares in sony?
Nope! Not a single penny. I don't get paid from aD either and have been here for over 7 years now or so?..Plus being a Moderator here does not require you to lose your opinion or not post facts that some don't want to hear! :) But as I said I knew I would get a little bit of crap for that...plus I was drunk posting :P lighten up and have a shot of Petron on me!
Originally posted by Morreale:
FF XIII is 576P? That's complete garbage! Ugh... I don't even want to try it now. If I do, I'll try it on the 360 because that's clearly what it was made for >:(
FF Versus better be of higher quality...
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Looked it up, 360 version is compressed but PS3 isn't. Makes me wonder if the game could be more then it is if it was PS3 exclusive. Probably Versus will answer that...
It actually goes a bit deeper than that as well since the 360's version was the lowest common denominator in programming it affected design. I.E. the 3 disc's of the 360 changed it from being an open world to a linear game UNTIL the 3rd disc where you can go to and from a couple towns...there is definitely more hype and draw with FFvs13 but I have gone off topic enough so just hit up any of our Console Forum Sections if you want to read more, post & chat!
Originally posted by embo22000:
lol verbal... but what oner is saying is true.
TY. Just as I would also say that Sony had gambled on not paying out for Rumble with the lawsuit by/from Immersion and saying "Rumble was last gen" but they stuck to their decision and only changed it when Immersion saw how much money they were going to miss out on and cut Sony a better deal well after Ninty & MS payed out/settled.
Edit: I also wanted to add just in case anyone has forgotten. Blu-ray is not a Sony "only" property or idea. Remember, there are about 20 different companies who are part of the BDA (Blu-ray Disc Association)
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Originally posted by plazma247:
But come on is sony going to let the competing game system have its bluray drive at a resonable cost that will let it compete.
ANYONE can put a Blu-ray drive in a device (as long as they or the actual mechanism manufacturer pays the ~$20-25 license fee)...Sony doesn't control the BDA and the BDA doesn't (and cannot) deny anyone the ability to use BD drives simply because they don't want certain people to have access. Apple's even a member of the BDA and was one of the initial members. Conspiracy theories otherwise are total BS.
Originally posted by hendrix04:
HD-DVD was the superior format (bluray is STILL implementing things into their "standard" that HD-DVD had years ago)
HIGHLY debatable (re: "superior")! While it had some initial features that Blu-ray didn't, the main reason HD-DVD even came about was just because Toshiba wanted to 'do it on the cheap.'
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Originally posted by Oner:
Nope! Not a single penny. I don't get paid from aD either and have been here for over 7 years now or so?..Plus being a Moderator here does not require you to lose your opinion or not post facts that some don't want to hear! :) But as I said I knew I would get a little bit of crap for that...plus I was drunk posting :P lighten up and have a shot of Petron on me!
LOL, you're still a bit drunk Oner? Couldn't figure out if you meant "a shot of Petrol", or "a shot of Patrón":)
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Microsoft and it's reps have a tendency to say things like that...HDMI not being needed is one, Standardized HDD's being another as well as WiFi not being of importance to name just a few. But my most favorite recent one is when asked if a game like God Of War 3 can be done on the 360? Aaron Greenberg replied ~
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We have proved over the years, that all games can be realized on Xbox 360. Just look at titles like Final Fantasy XIII (a 576p multiplat title), Forza Motorsport 3 (only 8 cars on track, no in car cam during MP), Gears 2 (limited 5v5 player MP), and Modern Warfare 2 (another Multiplat game!?!?) on Xbox 360. These games and our leading online experiences demonstrate that Xbox 360 is the most powerful games and entertainment console in the market today. (THAT'S a doozy right there if EVER I heard one)
I know I will probably take crap for that...but I just had to say it ;P
FF XIII is 576P? That's complete garbage! Ugh... I don't even want to try it now. If I do, I'll try it on the 360 because that's clearly what it was made for >:(
FF Versus better be of higher quality...
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Looked it up, 360 version is compressed but PS3 isn't. Makes me wonder if the game could be more then it is if it was PS3 exclusive. Probably Versus will answer that...
They are putting all their time and effort into FF14, FF13 is tossed together crap worse than FFX..........
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Anybody that believes that bluray is worth while, would have to believe that DRM is worth while. That's exactly why that format came out on top, it offered protections that HD DVD wasn't offering, and the studios jumped on it. Now that prices have come down, and the protections are broken, I think its viable. Microsoft will have to have some type of high capacity format for its next console to stay competitive and it will probably be bluray. Unless something else comes along, I don't think they'll be streaming 25 to 50 gig games on netflix. In the end, people are buying these consoles for the games. Just my opinion.
If your fish seems sick, put it back in the water.
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Originally posted by llongtheD:
Anybody that believes that bluray is worth while, would have to believe that DRM is worth while. That's exactly why that format came out on top, it offered protections that HD DVD wasn't offering, and the studios jumped on it. Now that prices have come down, and the protections are broken, I think its viable. Microsoft will have to have some type of high capacity format for its next console to stay competitive and it will probably be bluray. Unless something else comes along, I don't think they'll be streaming 25 to 50 gig games on netflix. In the end, people are buying these consoles for the games. Just my opinion.
Its replaceing dvd at a steady pace we already have sun 150 BR players, get a cream for your HDVD butt hurt, BR is here and its pretty good.
The only reason they wont put BR into the 360 is production cost and the fact they do not want to have a insignificant(sales wise) line of games on the system.
All in all BR only has 2 at best new DRM systems and they have been hacked so again that butt hur there is a cream for it ya know. :P
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ACTUALLY, when Microsoft wanted to make a console, they wanted to incorporate the ability for PC gamers to play their PC games on the console AND XBOX games and incorporate WINDOWS on the xbox. SONY threw a fit because they knew, by Microsoft doing this, that they would NEVER be able to compete and complained claiming this would make them (Microsoft) a Monopoly (which it would have). Microsoft not only had to comply, but they also had to change the software of their USB devices so external HDD couldn't be used to play PC games, hence the reason you cannot read/write on external HDD plugged into the USB slots of the XBOX 36O, only some media will play. This was NOT because Microsoft wants to deny these abilities with their customers, they HAD to. What's funny is Sony took advantage of this, and allowed the ability to use a different OS (LINUX for example) and external HDD with the ability to read/write. How fair is that? It bothers me when people bash the XBOX 360 and claim how great their PS3 is. Technically they are the same thing. The only thing that separates them is the BR player and console specific games. I own all three, WII, PS3 and XBOX 360. I love all three. I'm sorry for my rant, but the bashing REALLY is getting old.
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Blu-Ray and HD-DVD are pretty much the same. They use the same optical laser, the only difference is the way the laser reads the data. The picture quality is the same. Whoever said that it's because of DRM capabilities that made the Blu Ray player "superior" is correct. HD-DVD was the first on the market, and Microsoft jumped on it. DRM was not coded into any HD-DVD so pirating was easier, thus making it less used with movie companies. Now Microsoft is jumping on the next generation of data transfer. Downloadable content. Personally I would too, because that's where we are headed. Think about CD's. Hardly anyone buys CD's anymore...We live in a nation where people don't like leaving their house. Everything is digital and downloadable. Once audio quality is the same as BR, everyone will be converting. One less reason to leave your house when you can just click a button and download it. Add the ability to keep the data as long as the HDD lasts which is MUCH longer than a cd/dvd/video game disk will last with scratches, theft, etc. 10 years is a bit of a stretch if you think that BR will last that long. I give it 5 more years at the MOST.
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Do game companies let the consumer know that if they buy the 360 version of the game that it would be missing content? I could see a potential lawsuit sitting there that could greatly affect either ps3 game sales or 360 game sales. Usually if a game comes out for multiple consoles I would think that the only difference is which system you want to play it on.
As for downloadable content its bound to be the next step. Netflix is doing a killing with the stream to your tv/computer. iTunes is making a killing on selling music/tv/movies. I bet Microsoft's marketplace is doing well enough on its own. Even the Wii has their own marketplace that sells games old and new. I think that people who want physical copies are more of a minority than a majority. The only thing holding us back from this is the bandwith structure that is being held back by the ISP.
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Originally posted by Cereberal:
Do game companies let the consumer know that if they buy the 360 version of the game that it would be missing content? I could see a potential lawsuit sitting there that could greatly affect either ps3 game sales or 360 game sales. Usually if a game comes out for multiple consoles I would think that the only difference is which system you want to play it on.
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If there is difference in content,sue for what, ignorance? How can anyone expect a game that is released on a DVD to have the same content as one released on a Blu Ray disc?
What are you gonna tell the judge?...
"Your Honor, I have an XBOX 360, and I bought a game for it;had I known the PS3 version had more content, I would've bought that, even though I don't own a PS3...". Good luck.
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Do game companies let the consumer know that if they buy the 360 version of the game that it would be missing content? I could see a potential lawsuit sitting there that could greatly affect either ps3 game sales or 360 game sales. Usually if a game comes out for multiple consoles I would think that the only difference is which system you want to play it on.
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If there is difference in content,sue for what, ignorance? How can anyone expect a game that is released on a DVD to have the same content as one released on a Blu Ray disc?
What are you gonna tell the judge?...
"Your Honor, I have an XBOX 360, and I bought a game for it;had I known the PS3 version had more content, I would've bought that, even though I don't own a PS3...". Good luck.
Maybe false advertising its leading consumers to believe they are getting the same game regardless of console. Its never really been brought up before because up until this generation game consoles used the same media. I don't normally research games before I buy them. I wouldn't like paying 50-60 bucks for a game only to find out that the company cut out content because of space when it could have been put on another disc or two because it all fit on blu ray.
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