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ACTA would make service providers copyright police
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The following comments relate to this news article:
article published on 25 March, 2010
After nearly two years of excuses for the secrecy of negotiations over ACTA, the Anti Counterfeiting Trade Agreement, a full draft of the proposed treaty has been leaked online and it looks just as bad as critics have suggested.
Among the worst provisions of the proposal is the requirement that third party service providers must implement measures to proactively identify and elminate ... [ read the full article ]
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25. March 2010 @ 04:57 |
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Sickening, but hardly suprising.
Google thinks that china's censorship is too severe...and this is far worse than what China does. Google, Microsoft, Yahoo, and anyone else who runs a search engine better start fighting back right now...before they are all outlawed.
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beanos66
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25. March 2010 @ 05:43 |
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...and this is far worse than what China does
er...don't think so, we won't be beaten and tortured and imprisoned without trial (or with a joke of a trial)"when" we use the internet to complain about the corruption of our government
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25. March 2010 @ 07:21 |
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Rather than the government regulating business, those businesses would be regulating the government. Accusations would be given the weight of judgements and the presumption of innocence would be replaced by the assumption of guilt.
So you are guilty until proven innocent??
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25. March 2010 @ 08:04 |
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Originally posted by beanos66:
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...and this is far worse than what China does
er...don't think so, we won't be beaten and tortured and imprisoned without trial (or with a joke of a trial)"when" we use the internet to complain about the corruption of our government
I think he was talking about their internet censorship in comparison to this censorship. But you're both right. :D
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25. March 2010 @ 09:50 |
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this is sick, totally sick. ive always taken pride living in a country that on one side may not have higher internet speeds than 5Mbps (10-30MBps is stil experimental) but on the other has no regulation whatsoever about copyright infringement. you could download tons of movies and internet suppliers would even grant you support when you try opening ports for bitorrent and such. but it seems the ACTA has finally found a way to reach us. the word propesterous comes to mind when i think of a scenario with me visiting the states and a customs representative would order me to give in my smartphone,ipod and laptop for inspection
and i thought the US's most sacred principle is freedom..
guess the majority of the citizens dont care anymore or else theyd demand their seneators to take this treaty down, have rallys etc etc..
Godspeed, America
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25. March 2010 @ 11:10 |
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So, does this mean that should I burn a mix CD of copyrighted songs and mail it to a friend in Canada then the Postal Services and Customs workers of both countries will also be infringers and the names and addresses of both me and the recipient must be provided to every copyright holder of every song on the CD? A windfall for lawyers if so.
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25. March 2010 @ 11:50 |
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this is outrageous, anything you do now a media company can claim damages whether it is on youtube, direct downloads or torrents. There will be nothing but abuse of average citizens because of this. This allows them to play by their own rules including but not limited to different rules based on where they decide to screw the end user over.
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25. March 2010 @ 11:57 |
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At least this treaty has not been adopted yet and there could be some steps which could be taken if someone is willing to listen.
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juventini
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25. March 2010 @ 12:49 |
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I hear the trumpets of war ringing. Bring it on!
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25. March 2010 @ 13:08 |
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OK, so where does this bill or whatever go next. Since the impact financially on our tax burden is obvious, it seems that there must be some form of a vote pending, and if not the ACLU should become involved.
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25. March 2010 @ 14:08 |
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I wonder why they want your identity???
Well they are sueing everyone every where. Bruce Springsteen sued a bar because a band was playing some of his tunes. The band probably didn't have any assets. I bet he didn't play any other's music when he was starting out. Bruce is scum!
juventini, do you jump in front of a freight train to stop it?
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25. March 2010 @ 16:30 |
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Interesting...
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25. March 2010 @ 16:37 |
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Originally posted by juventini:
I hear the trumpets of war ringing. Bring it on!
Same here, Can't sit around and do nothing. Gotta fight back.
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25. March 2010 @ 16:48 |
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Originally posted by bam431:
Originally posted by juventini:
I hear the trumpets of war ringing. Bring it on!
Same here, Can't sit around and do nothing. Gotta fight back.
rally up !
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25. March 2010 @ 17:00 |
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Anyone that visits a website downloads copyrighted material to the harddrive in the cache storage of the browser now becomes a criminal.
As a parent you obtain an Internet connection for your family. Someone downloads copyrighted material through your Internet connection and registered owner of the Internet connection becomes a criminal. The computer chip manufacturer (Intel, AMD, ...), computer manufacturer (HP, Compaq, ...) and Microsoft would be criminals because they provided the technology to commit the criminal act. Let's not forget the utility company that provides you with electricity.
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25. March 2010 @ 17:18 |
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Where's George Orwell when you need him?!
When will the people doing this crap realize you can only push it so far before a violent revolution crops up. How 'developed' a country is doesn't mean * when the government goes too far. The strength is in the number of citizens and pushing them too far is what rallies them into a single force.
It's a vicious cycle of revolution, new government, revolution, new government...
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25. March 2010 @ 17:52 |
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On 1/6/10 Homeland security knocked down the door to my house and took all my computers and DVD,
They cuffed me and removed all my stuff after they had all my stuff they told me that they would be in contact with me. They did not arrest me the charges are copyright infringement. I have now started to use programs called trucrypt to hide all my data. I suggest anyone who has backups make a container and put your game in there or make a hidden volume this could have save me a lot of trouble. I?m going to court on May 13. I did have the original games but when they server warrant like this if you any file or DVD they will screw you. This is the new USA that we live in remember song anything on your computer is under search can be used against you in a court of law I will be doing updates to let you know also the warrant is attached to this take a look at it covers anything in you house real scary shit what homeland security can do to us in the USA god help us.
Please use the program it could save your ass it is free and open source http://www.truecrypt.org/
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25. March 2010 @ 17:59 |
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Originally posted by BigDEEZZY:
On 1/6/10 Homeland security knocked down my house and took all my computers and DVD,
They cuffed me and removed all my stuff after they had all my stuff they told me that they would be in contact with me. They did not arrest me the charges are copyright infringement. I have now started to use programs called trucrypt to hide all my data. I suggest anyone who has backups make a container and put your game in there or make a hidden volume this could have save me a lot of trouble. I?m going to court on May 13. I did have the original games but when they server warrant like this if you any file or DVD they will screw you. This is the new USA that we live in remember song anything on your computer is under search can be used against you in a court of law I will be doing updates to let you know also the warrant is attached to this take a look at it covers anything in you house real scary shit what homeland security can do to us in the USA god help us.
Please use the program it could save your ass it is free and open source http://www.truecrypt.org/
They knocked down your house? You must have really pissed someone off..
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25. March 2010 @ 18:12 |
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So what does this mean to software updates? If we download said updates then based on ACTA could be charged with infringement after all it is copyrighted material? looks like I'm gonna have to bring out my ninja encryption skills again so NO alphabet soup authority (MPAA, RIAA, OHS, FBI, CIA, NRO, RCMP, CSIS,) will be able to make sense of my data I have on my computers! (Not to mention if one of my Hard Drives die, I take a drill to it and then as the coup de grace I get my friends' plasma torch and slag the drive to a puddle of molten metal! Try getting anything out of THAT lol)
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25. March 2010 @ 18:56 |
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The punishment would be less for shoplifting the dvd or cd
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25. March 2010 @ 19:49 |
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Originally posted by BigDEEZZY:
On 1/6/10 Homeland security knocked down my house and took all my computers and DVD,
They cuffed me and removed all my stuff after they had all my stuff they told me that they would be in contact with me. They did not arrest me the charges are copyright infringement. I have now started to use programs called trucrypt to hide all my data. I suggest anyone who has backups make a container and put your game in there or make a hidden volume this could have save me a lot of trouble. I?m going to court on May 13. I did have the original games but when they server warrant like this if you any file or DVD they will screw you. This is the new USA that we live in remember song anything on your computer is under search can be used against you in a court of law I will be doing updates to let you know also the warrant is attached to this take a look at it covers anything in you house real scary shit what homeland security can do to us in the USA god help us.
Please use the program it could save your ass it is free and open source http://www.truecrypt.org/
I never have heard anything like this in the US. The Homeland security did this not the FBI. You are going to court and you are still going to town like nothing happened. You sure have BALLS or tell a good tail! You claim www.truecrypt.org will save you. Lucky they must have gathered evidence to get the warrant by illegal search and seizure.
I hope you are not pulling our legs because I feel a big yank!
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26. March 2010 @ 02:45 |
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I have just got the letter in the mail and these are the counts ready
PC653w(a) felony Failure to Disclose origin of recoriding or audiovisual work
PC653w(b)(1) a felony enhancement based on quantity manufacture/sell/possess counterfeit mark 1,000 or 400$
pc350(a)(2)
welcome to the new USA
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BigDEEZZY
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26. March 2010 @ 03:01 |
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they went in for Xbox and ended charging me for shit like DVDs but the thing is i have all the DVD that I backuped I?m just going to have to bring them to court. The thing is I worked it IT for years and one drive in my computer has all the backups ive done for thousands of pcs music and more they have just accumulated over the years im I talking about 400 gb music data the homeland and DA think I download it but they were all backup from work and other pc that I have redone shit some peoples drives have had 160 gb of music that ive had to backup. What?s next for Tec we can?t back that data if you can?t prove you own it because it could put me in jail? I?m fu$ked I will probably never get a job in IT again I?ve been out of work for a year and a baby on the way I?ve been making it a float on repairing pc but soon they will get me in the end IM not trying to pull anyone?s leg but this is a real problem homeland security can come in your house take your computers and if you can?t prove where you got the data from you will get a felony It only takes 1000 songs or $400+ and you will be locked up.
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BigDEEZZY
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26. March 2010 @ 05:47 |
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Originally posted by hikaricor:
Originally posted by BigDEEZZY:
On 1/6/10 Homeland security knocked down my house and took all my computers and DVD,
They cuffed me and removed all my stuff after they had all my stuff they told me that they would be in contact with me. They did not arrest me the charges are copyright infringement. I have now started to use programs called trucrypt to hide all my data. I suggest anyone who has backups make a container and put your game in there or make a hidden volume this could have save me a lot of trouble. I?m going to court on May 13. I did have the original games but when they server warrant like this if you any file or DVD they will screw you. This is the new USA that we live in remember song anything on your computer is under search can be used against you in a court of law I will be doing updates to let you know also the warrant is attached to this take a look at it covers anything in you house real scary shit what homeland security can do to us in the USA god help us.
Please use the program it could save your ass it is free and open source http://www.truecrypt.org/
They knocked down your house? You must have really pissed someone off..
sorry that was a typo they knocked down my door lol
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26. March 2010 @ 08:13 |
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I believe you now. What you are saying is too wacky to make up. They were after they games; the rest were just good luck. You HAD to do something to get your attention. They didn't just knock down your door for grins. They needed proof of wrong doing to get the warrant. What is critical to you is did they acquire the information legally. Did you get any games using P2P? If so, what did you use, simple P2P that will allow them to legally snoop or Torrents. If you used torrents were your flows completely encrypted? One other idea is that your computer had a botnet and that it was involved in the attack on the pentagon. Then they discovered what else you were doing. Some college kids in our town had something like that happen to them and nothing happened to them cause their only crime was ignorance. My son knew a mutual friend. They didn't know why they were singled out. Homeland Security never told why they broke in other than it was national security.
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