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Mac vs. PC ads may be coming to an end
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article published on 8 April, 2010
According to Justin Long, the "Mac" in Apple's popular Mac vs. PC commercials, the ad campaign may be close to its conclusion, ending one of the more effective ad series in history.
Long said that he heard from "PC" John Hodgman that Apple is planning to move on.
"You know, I think they might be done," said Long about the future of the campaign. "In fact, I heard from John, I think ... [ read the full article ]
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slickwill
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8. April 2010 @ 15:29 |
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It's about time these commercials are coming to the end because they have been conditioning the sheepeople to accept one sided arguments and criticism without questioning or criticizing the other party. This also coincides with other aspects of life where questioning and thinking are not favored such as the government/politics and everything else that is truly important in life and which deserves the fundamental right of questioning and discovering the truths instead of the being told dis-informed lies.
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8. April 2010 @ 15:30 |
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i know why apple made those ads to bash XP and Vista especially Vista but there's not that much about 7 to bash so they just have to move on
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embo22000
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8. April 2010 @ 16:02 |
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Originally posted by xyqo:
i know why apple made those ads to bash XP and Vista especially Vista but there's not that much about 7 to bash so they just have to move on
exactly
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8. April 2010 @ 17:23 |
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Originally posted by embo22000:
Originally posted by xyqo:
i know why apple made those ads to bash XP and Vista especially Vista but there's not that much about 7 to bash so they just have to move on
exactly
the sad thing is..people actually buy into this shyt..
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ruff469
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8. April 2010 @ 21:15 |
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LOL.. I am only a windows fan because thats what i grew up on. I build and install computers and networks. In the industry the real fanboys prefer linux. But I even shut them down with Windows 7.
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8. April 2010 @ 21:50 |
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Aw thats a shame i loved some of these commercials. i thought they where funny.
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8. April 2010 @ 21:53 |
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The ads while sometimes entertaining were filled with one sided half-truths, exaggerated mis-information and downright lies. I know many that ended up buying macs believing that Macs can never get infected, compromised, or had any issues or crashes. I had to hold back my laughter when people would come to me with their Macs that they installed Windows on because MacOS would not run the software they wanted or they did not want to buy new software and they were infected and to find out they had no security or antivirus software what so ever. Then they would say things like "But I thought Macs didn't get viruses"
While apple generally makes quality products they are far from being perfect and they can be victims of security flaws if someone wants to take the time to break into them. The problem is less people care to because more people use Windows so they go after the majority. I wonder how many holes and problems MacOS would have if they were the majority and was the primary target of Malware and hackers.
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8. April 2010 @ 21:54 |
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Originally posted by ruff469:
LOL.. I am only a windows fan because thats what i grew up on. I build and install computers and networks. In the industry the real fanboys prefer linux. But I even shut them down with Windows 7.
i doubt it, you don't shut down a real *nix head.
What does windows have apple doesn't.....GAMES!!!
with some tweaking you can set up linux to Play almost ALL OpenGL games, and with some major line editing a hand full of modern DX Based games.
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8. April 2010 @ 21:54 |
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Originally posted by ruff469:
LOL.. I am only a windows fan because thats what i grew up on. I build and install computers and networks. In the industry the real fanboys prefer linux. But I even shut them down with Windows 7.
Linux fanboys are worse than Mac Fanboys. They even argue amongst themselves which of the many flavors of linux is the best.
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8. April 2010 @ 23:00 |
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I'm a mac but, imovie is awful.
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zarlaan
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9. April 2010 @ 00:16 |
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Originally posted by DXR88:
Originally posted by ruff469:
LOL.. I am only a windows fan because thats what i grew up on. I build and install computers and networks. In the industry the real fanboys prefer linux. But I even shut them down with Windows 7.
i doubt it, you don't shut down a real *nix head.
What does windows have apple doesn't.....GAMES!!!
with some tweaking you can set up linux to Play almost ALL OpenGL games, and with some major line editing a hand full of modern DX Based games.
When was the last time a major OpenGL game was released? Linux is a pain imho unless you like doing a lot of commands. Sure there is GUI, but ultimately you'll end up having to do a lot of commands. Install packages to install packages etc etc...
Linux is very niche
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9. April 2010 @ 01:09 |
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Originally posted by zarlaan:
Linux is a pain imho unless you like doing a lot of commands. Sure there is GUI, but ultimately you'll end up having to do a lot of commands. Install packages to install packages etc etc...
Linux is very niche
What the 'fanboys'discuss most is: which distribution is easiest for Windows users to switch to. The major distributions use a nice, colored ascii screen to ask several simple questions, then install either the GNOME or KDE desktops (which are OOUI, as MacOS is). They install, by default, a nice selection of the same applications that come with Windows or MacOSX, and a nice windowed application lets one install or un-install any of 25,000 professional applications. Any security patches or program enhancements are offered in a little window, as Apple offers; but you can view the details and skip any you don't need.
This takes about 2 GB, as opposed to Windows 7's 20 GB, so you can download an ISO file and burn a CD to boot GNU/Linux & nice applications, for a test drive. My granddaughter helped me install Debian GNU/Linux on her 15-year old laptop when she was six, and she loves the educational applications specifically written for it. (She loves playing 'Go' against it, though she finds the chess engines too difficult to beat - unlike Apple's.)
BTW, in 1985 I counted over a dozen operating system I had worked with, so I decided then to stick with Unix, just for simplicity.
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9. April 2010 @ 01:58 |
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Originally posted by bobiroc:
The ads while sometimes entertaining were filled with one sided half-truths, exaggerated mis-information and downright lies.
Oh, Psah. Those I saw were accurate and funny.
Originally posted by bobiroc:
I know many that ended up buying macs believing that Macs can never get infected, compromised, or had any issues or crashes.
They can get infected, they just haven't. Probably the lack of Active-X controls and security by obscurity. There was a Trojan only too familiar with Windows users, but it only irritated some people.
http://www.securemac.com/
Originally posted by bobiroc:
I had to hold back my laughter when people would come to me with their Macs that they installed Windows on because MacOS would not run the software they wanted or they did not want to buy new software and they were infected and to find out they had no security or antivirus software what so ever. Then they would say things like "But I thought Macs didn't get viruses"
MacOSX never has had a virus. Yes, many new Mac users think Apple is a software company. It's not: it's a hardware company that offers minimal, though elegant, software, as IBM, DEC, CDC, &c did with mainframes long ago.
The thousands of applications are mostly free (recompiled from Linux), and available on a dozen or so malware-free archives. Two archives (MacUpdate & VersionTracker) offer automatic updates.
Originally posted by bobiroc:
While apple generally makes quality products they are far from being perfect and they can be victims of security flaws if someone wants to take the time to break into them. The problem is less people care to because more people use Windows so they go after the majority. I wonder how many holes and problems MacOS would have if they were the majority and was the primary target of Malware and hackers.
Probably more than zero, which they have now. When I used them, Apples had trouble with changes in the code of FlashPlayer & even earlier Mac drivers written by companies, which was an irritation. However, Apple started deviating greatly from BSD 4.3 with MacOSX 10.4, hardening it's then good security (especially recently).
Because Apple doesn't have contracts to display people's advertisements, and hasn't Active-X controls, I'd guess it would remain more secure than Windows. (How are IE users in Germany & France coming along?)
Though 'MacScan' is available, it hasn't much to do. I prefer keeping nasty things out, so I installed the free snort NIDS, & clamXav sentry, and had them throw up a window & ring a siren if anything untoward tried to enter. (This, admittedly, requires some familiarity with computing.) Nothing passed the firewall but spam & phish, which was automatically whisked away to the appropriate site.
You do make a very good argument why MS should be prohibited from donating to schools and other 'MS Youth' movements. Complete ignorance of how computers work isn't especially a good thing.
http://www.us-cert.gov/
http://secunia.com/advisories/
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jimmurray
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9. April 2010 @ 20:15 |
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Now, if only those ATT ads would go away TV would be worth watching again...
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FXEF
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9. April 2010 @ 20:41 |
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Just in case all you Windows and Mac boys have not discovered it yet, real men run Linux.
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Gnawnivek
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9. April 2010 @ 20:43 |
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I confess... I enjoyed those Apple vs PC ads. I laughed at them because they were so misinformed :)
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voyager
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9. April 2010 @ 23:09 |
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"Apple is planning to move on"....?? to what is moving?
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9. April 2010 @ 23:23 |
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Originally posted by voyager:
"Apple is planning to move on"....?? to what is moving?
Moving on to attacking other competitors like Adobe and Google it seems with their unwarranted lock outs on things like flash and google docs for their iTouch, iPhone, iPad OS.
At least it seems that way
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9. April 2010 @ 23:43 |
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Linux is for serious computing.
Windows is for business, gammers and people who either don't think they have an alternative or are too invested in it to change.
Mac if for designers, artists and people who either understand industrial design or want to pretend that they do.
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10. April 2010 @ 00:00 |
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10. April 2010 @ 00:09 |
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Originally posted by Gneiss1:
Originally posted by FXEF:
Just in case all you Windows and Mac boys have not discovered it yet, real men run Linux.
http://yui.mine.nu/berry/image/berry-0.59-06.jpg
Linux really isn't suitable for the average person.
Among other things you can't run the Adobe suites and Gimp just isn't up to Photoshop.
But for those programs that were written for it, (like Nuke) it's great.
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10. April 2010 @ 01:08 |
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Originally posted by robertmro:
But for those programs that were written for it, (like Nuke) it's great.
...and Pac-Man! :-)
Those who are not average, and don't want to buy PhotoShop to brighten their snaps, could check the Wikipedia for gThumb. I place a shoot in a labeled folder, then use gThumb to check for good shots, crop, change size, brightness, contrast, hue (uses ICC profiles), color saturation, &c. Having an HP printer, I use the HPLIP toolkit, though the CUPS drivers suffice. Another program will pack photos of various size on letter-sized photo paper; and a third will print parts of photos, to make a mosaic for my wall. (On MacOSX I used a similar, free application.)
However, the Wikipedia and AfterDawn Forums on Linux are better sources of information than I can provide. I refer the interested there and end my clarifications with this post.
Photos I do by borrowing my granddaughter's Aslan, which runs the applications in Berry Linux (or Puppy Linux) as well, along with a typeface editor and desktop publisher. This stresses her 6 GB hard drive, so I sometimes pop on a USB flash drive (to augment virtual memory and those temporary files holding photos).
She wishes me to refer you to some board games she enjoys playing against me, the computer's AI, or an anonymous internet player (games to supplement Pac-Man). She loves the 'Debian Jr' project as well.
http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/3/637778#4936255
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10. April 2010 @ 05:45 |
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As a Linux user, I'm not even going to give this the time.
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10. April 2010 @ 12:59 |
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Professional Photographic Editing
http://arstechnica.com/old/content/2005/08/mystery.ars
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http://distrowatch.com/dwres.php?resource=major
Actually, because of misconceptions here of Linux (and even Apple's Unix), I break my promise to offer this opinion on the distinction among Windows, Apple, & GNU/Linux.
There are three philosophies of computing touched upon in this news discussion. The oldest is arguably Apple's philosophy of bundling some software that runs that hardware it sells. Apple I admire for its elegance: both hardware & software are state-of-the-art.
The next is the scientific paradigm proposed by a well-known lisp programmer, when at MIT. Like the scientist who is consulted, the programmer who is consulted should own the software he writes: to advance civilization, he offers the source code, freely, to all others, to use and modify. No duplicated effort. Quality improves rapidly. Writing of a Unix clone, GNU, married nicely with a later academic kernel with Unix calls, Linux.
The newest I needn't describe. I've grown to see it as the 'organized crime' philosophy. For this reason, its closed source, and its holding back computing 20 years (IMO), I find no use for it. (I'm not a gamer, though.)
Having been a research scientist, I natually choose the Linux paradigm for scientific work; but I choose Apple just for enjoyment. I run GNU/Linux on an Apple, but it can be run as a second OS on a Windows machine as well. This might be useful if one needs one of the 25,000 free applications, if one programs and needs some examples, or one is more comfortable with working on an OOUI. GNOME has multiple desktops, allowing businesses to match icons on desktops with objects in rooms. (Easy for 'temps' to learn in a few minutes.)
Though every PC part gives its drivers to MS, they don't always offer them to the Linux community. Check first. (Dells are compatible, I'm told.) Or, as with Windows, you can buy a computer with what you want on it; or buy an installation disk (for a nominal price). People comfortable with computers download it free, which may give it the impression of not being a general OS, which it is.
Both MacOSX, GNOME, & KDE (among others) use versions of the 'common desktop environment' agreed upon by computer manufacturers years ago.
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10. April 2010 @ 13:09 |
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Heheh Gneiss1, it's not the first thread I've seen you mention your grandaughter. She sounds like a real character and clever too... a chip of the old block I assume? :)
But those ads were in general misleading. What I loved were the plethora of spoofing take-offs on YouTube and such. Like the "I'm a Mac gamer..." and the young struggling (i.e. not cashed up) PC artist photoshopping the Mac artist the finger. LOL
Macs were a hardware company back in the old desktop publishing heydays but nowadays it's all about designing an image. The ease of making a Hackintosh testify to that... twice the power at half the price.
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