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Gizmodo's Jason Chen has computers seized
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article published on 27 April, 2010
Gizmodo editor Jason Chen has had his home computers seized this week by California's Rapid Enforcement Allied Computer Team.
The team was working on a warrant from the Superior Court of San Mateo.
Chen recently revealed the upcoming iPhone 4G/HD, which was dropped in a bar by Apple developer Gray Powell, and eventually purchased by Gizmodo for $5000 USD.
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magnets
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27. April 2010 @ 18:45 |
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what was the email he referred to?
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27. April 2010 @ 18:50 |
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What felony? And what email?
If he hasn't been charged with a felony then how were these computers used in a felony?
This is going to get very interesting
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27. April 2010 @ 19:01 |
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ah, the full detail is over at gizmodo.
Apparently there was an email stating he was a journalist and therefore taking his equipment is unconstitutional or similar because the computers could reveal a source (a journalist does not have to reveal a source, even if that source is or leads to illegal behaviour).
it's basically (imho):
Journo purchases stolen property, if he knew it was stolen then he has broken the law, if he didn't then he hasn't.
Don't forget that stolen doesn't mean taking by menace. There is also a law commonly called "Theft by finding" which is why if you find anything of value you have to take it to the police. After a few months, if no one claims it, they send it back to you.
If you loose your diamond ring/laptop/expensive sunglasses wouldn't you want whoever found it to hand it to the police so you have a chance of getting it back again. Finders keepers only applies in the school ground.
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27. April 2010 @ 19:45 |
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Originally posted by magnets:
If you loose your diamond ring/laptop/expensive sunglasses wouldn't you want whoever found it to hand it to the police so you have a chance of getting it back again. Finders keepers only applies in the school ground.
the chance of that ever happening are slim to none. the only reason the police Raided this mans house was because he was in possession of a prototype device, by a Major Corporation.
if i or you lost a ring, the typical response is if we see it will call you....and they never will even if they have it.
the police don't give a shit about anyone, sometimes you'll get the local Nice guy cop other than that they just don't care.
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27. April 2010 @ 20:53 |
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the police don't give a shit about anyone, sometimes you'll get the local Nice guy cop other than that they just don't care.
I don't know where you live so can't comment about your personal experience. In my experience that's not the case. Indeed I've even sold an item on ebay after it was returned to me. The actual item was an industrial laser measure I found by the side of the road on holiday. I handed it in, filled in a form. 3 months later they posted the item to my local police station and sent me a letter to come and pick it up.
Last week my cow-orkers wife lost both engagement and wedding ring. The engagement ring was handed in to the police and returned.
At the end of the day, the world is made up of people just like you. So do what you want to have done to you.
Slightly back on topic, this chap found a phone, made reasonable efforts to return it. But sold it rather than handing it in and making it legally his to sell. Then a journo who realistically knew it was not legally his to sell, bought it.
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27. April 2010 @ 21:01 |
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This happen last Friday (4-23-10)
This is just another little Proof that the Big Corporations has the real power and run our Government.
The Police are so stupid acting like they are on a Home Depot (or Crapple) payroll if you ask me. Just think how many doors need to be sacrificed in the name of "Warrants" ?
The Police are acting under a California law write in the 1800's to under dog Gizmodo....1800's ?... Just give me a F. break here.
Crapple failed and now they try to find "Glory" in it.
This Chemos do not think stray. How hard is to lick their wounds and let it go; they already had a free publicity ride before.
Now this bite will be bigger and deeper, I just love to see this so call "Perfect Co." go down to hell with out any self respect.
Shame on you Jobs !
Jobs build his Co. out of theft of tech and ideas, and now you tell us nobody can do that but you ?
You obviously never will top Bill Gates in numbers, just accept it !
the iPhone is a lousy phone anyway, nothing of real true value got lost.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rm6Z0y2tlCc
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27. April 2010 @ 21:23 |
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One word, "Facism". The corporations are using the police to oppress the people.
They are probably looking for something to charge him with that is unrelated to the iPhone, such having illegal content on his computers/hdd.
Which is all the reason more to use TrueCrypt to encrypt everything on any type of digital media.
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27. April 2010 @ 21:58 |
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lmao at the people here. the guy knew what he was getting in to. He's an idiot, plain and simple.
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27. April 2010 @ 23:36 |
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I laughed so hard when I heard this 2 days ago (kinda slow, AD!) and knew Gizmodo had done a very legally questionable thing. I don't think he'll be charged with anything, but it may serve them right for being stupid.
And some of you need to loosen your tinfoil hats! ;-)
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27. April 2010 @ 23:39 |
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Originally posted by DXR88:
the police don't give a shit about anyone, sometimes you'll get the local Nice guy cop other than that they just don't care.
A couple years ago, my car was stolen. I knew who took it, and where they took it. I even knew that the person who took it was high on meth. I called the police and told them all of this. They refused to help me, and would not even send an officer to the location of my car. After two days, my car was still parked at the same place, and the police had not come out. I had a spare key, so I had a friend drive me down to pick it up. On the way home I got pulled over for driving a stolen vehicle, and spent about 2 hours getting searched because there was some note in the report I made about a meth-head. This was the best experience I have ever had with the police, by far.
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28. April 2010 @ 03:43 |
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Apple Computer filled a police to report the theft of a cell phone. Our police department would tell the caller they do not investigate lost cell phones, click. Apple Computer recovered the cell phone with the assistance of the journalist. Apple Computer should consider placing a sticker on the back of the cell phone "Property of Apple Computer, please call (xxx) xxx-xxxx if found. We have a lost cell phone that was returned to the owner. Unless our journalist signed a non-disclosure agreement with Apple Computer in the past he would not be bound to the conditions of such an agreement. Steve Jobs should take the journalist out to dinner to thank him for recovering the cell phone. Apple Computer should be happy the journalist returned the cell phone to them. Apple Computer should be aware there are industrial spys from China in the United States.
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28. April 2010 @ 04:02 |
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Apple hates their customers.
Apple hates open source.
Apple hates individual thought (hence, no open source).
Apple hates the human body (or at least pictures of it).
Apple hates the people who spend $5000 of their own money to make sure that a lost prototype is returned.
Seems like the only thing they don't hate is money.
"Hi, mar car was stolen, I know where it is, and they won't give it back" - Sorry sir, we don't care.
"Hi, a Journalist found our phone, and paid $5000 to get it back to us" - OK Mr Jobs, we will break the constitution to harass him.
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28. April 2010 @ 04:31 |
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well killerbug if someone steals your car again don't bother wasting your time with cops just find the guy and total him( i dont mean beat him up a little bit i mean smash all his ribs and cave half his face in) and if you need a good excuse then last time it happened cops refused to act.police raiding someones house over an iphone which was lost not stolen is pathetic they should have more important things to do.
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28. April 2010 @ 09:19 |
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@KillerBug
Next time something is stolen from you, tell the police your iPhone was with the stolen property and they will kick down doors to get it back.
Have a great day
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28. April 2010 @ 11:36 |
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ok........if this dose not smack of fascism what dose, apple says jump the police say how high....sorry....but lost is not stolen....... using the police for a legal non criminal manner is highly questionable.....
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28. April 2010 @ 12:23 |
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I am not sure of everyone's idea of fascism, it seems more like Big Business Capitalism to me.. I have more money then you so I can do what I want..
And the Patriot Act got rid of constitutional rights during the Bush administration... anyone can be arrested without cause and doesn't have to be charged or released for a maximum of five years
This is kinda like Microsoft being sued over the intellectual rights to Office, they were found guilty, paid 300 million, but made 5 billion.. not fair, but thats how big business works
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28. April 2010 @ 12:30 |
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I am not sure of everyone's idea of fascism, it seems more like Big Business Capitalism to me.. I have more money then you so I can do what I want..
And the Patriot Act got rid of constitutional rights during the Bush administration... anyone can be arrested without cause and doesn't have to be charged or released for a maximum of five years
This is kinda like Microsoft being sued over the intellectual rights to Office, they were found guilty, paid 300 million, but made 5 billion.. not fair, but thats how big business works
Fascism is when corporated interests dive law and order and not the public's need and interests. Right now the US is a fascist democracy(conglomerated interests herding cats) instead of a democratic republic(the cats herding dogs and wolfs via the rule of law and voting).......
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28. April 2010 @ 18:55 |
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And they are allowing these illegals to get into this country by design so they will vote for law/bills that will get ride of our constitutional rights. There are many sanctuary cities in the U.S. where the cops will not arrest illegals b/c the judge will just let them go. So basically, the illegals have more freedoms than the law abiding citizens.
On top of that Goldman Sucks and the other big international banks purposely planned this financial collapse, so they can bankrupt the U.S. to consolidate and combine the U.S., Mexico, and Canada into the North American Union, just like Europe.
The Globalist want a one global government/economy, so they can further control our lives and reduce the global population. This plan is called "The New World Order".
What I'm talking about is very relevant to this article b/c the actions of the police is part of the conditioning to get the society incrementally used to having their rights violated and taken away. The society will become incrementally used to slowly losing their freedoms and before they realize it all they freedoms will be gone. It's like asking a prison inmate about prison life and he will say "It's not so bad once you get used to it.", which is exactly the same thing they are doing to us.
This isn't only happening to the U.S., but is happening all over the world and this is being done by the printing of money. If you look at all the top banks of the world, you will see that many of the former top executive are presidents of certain countries. The more taxes they pass, the less buying power we have, meaning a lower standard of living that is detrimental to our survival.
They are already reducing our population through the use of science, such as cancer/disease causing vaccines, fluoride in our water supply, and GMO crops (corn, cotton, soybeans, etc). I mean, do you actually think that all these young people in their 20's and 30's dying of cancer is just a coincidence? And that more and more babies are being diagnosed with disabilities? (These are the methods of slow kill, where the buildup of toxins will lead to death over a period of many years/decades).
I could go on and on, but it is up to you to do the research and find out more, then take that powerful information and tell your friends and families, and together we will beat these Eugenical Elitists through peaceful means.
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28. April 2010 @ 18:58 |
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Floride is nothing compared to the stuff the FDA lets slip by......
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28. April 2010 @ 19:24 |
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I would totally agree b/c in a Fascist system the corporations own the government. So the corporations can just bribe/blackmail/get favors to have their products approved. But since everyone needs water, that is what they are targeting to slowly poison us. This is why some of the Asian countries don't add fluoride into their water supplies, b/c they know the truth. In other countries they sell the idea to us by saying that it is good for our teeth. You see they mix in benefits that appear to be good for the public, but they have their own secrete/evil agenda behind it.
Politicians are the same way, they are going against their constituents b/c they are being blackmailed. For example, Lindsey gram was going against the peoples will b/c of his alternative lifestyle, but when he was outed by anther politician, Lindsey flipped to the people's side. This is because the puppet masters no longer had any dirt to blackmail him with.
The case with the president is much bigger. Some on the dirt they have on him is things like him not being a native born U.S. citizen and that his real name is Barry Soetaro. The White House party crashers was really sending a message to the president saying that if he does not play ball with the puppet masters, his safety cannot be assured.
And now we have people like Clinton and the media demonizing the general public saying that we are going to cause the next domestic attack, which will allow the government to unleash total marital law and use the FEMA detention camps that have been built around the U.S. (Police State 4 Rise of Fema (free documentary on youtube))
They know how people psychologically work, so they use that against use through the media to dumb us down and control what we know and don't know (propaganda). However, thanks to the alternative media (such as Alex Jones) on the internet, the real truth is reaching millions across the globe.
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28. April 2010 @ 21:04 |
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Hate what they did to the kid, too, but I doubt it.
He's Gizmodo's million dollar baby, now. He probably increased their page hits 500% the last couple weeks. Not to mention the numerous links and press from other sites and publications, like CNET. That's a lot of publicity and money for them. Probably more than enough cash and long-term revenue to field any costs accrued by Chen.
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28. April 2010 @ 21:31 |
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@killerbug. He did not spend $5,000 To return it to apple. he spent 5,000 so that his site would get more views and he only returned it to apple after he had opened it up. this isnt all one sided guys, even the commenters at gizmodo know that.
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28. April 2010 @ 21:55 |
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So as long as a corporation makes the call to the police, you can have your home searched and your privacy invaded over a phone? Anybody that doesn't think this reeks of corruption are obviously too dumb to see our rights being slowly stripped away by our bought and paid for government.
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28. April 2010 @ 22:34 |
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Originally posted by llongtheD:
So as long as a corporation makes the call to the police, you can have your home searched and your privacy invaded over a phone? Anybody that doesn't think this reeks of corruption are obviously too dumb to see our rights being slowly stripped away by our bought and paid for government.
Cali has the law as so its lost things are legally stolen if found and not returned, dose not make it right tho.....
Copyright infringement is nothing more than civil disobedience to a bad set of laws. Lets renegotiate them.
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28. April 2010 @ 22:56 |
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I realize that zippy, but had it been the property of a private person, or a small business, I doubt these kinds of resources and manpower would have been spent on the retrieval. I guess that was the point I was making.
With over 900 million already spent this year by corporate lobbyists and special interest groups in Washington to "influence" our politicians, it will only get worse.
It's the slow change that people don't see coming. They are smart enough to take it from us little by little.
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