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Gizmodo's Jason Chen has computers seized
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article published on 27 April, 2010
Gizmodo editor Jason Chen has had his home computers seized this week by California's Rapid Enforcement Allied Computer Team.
The team was working on a warrant from the Superior Court of San Mateo.
Chen recently revealed the upcoming iPhone 4G/HD, which was dropped in a bar by Apple developer Gray Powell, and eventually purchased by Gizmodo for $5000 USD.
New to the "iPhone HD," ... [ read the full article ]
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28. April 2010 @ 23:27 |
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"Cali has the law as so its lost things are legally stolen if found and not returned, dose not make it right tho..."
The item was returned, so it was not legally stolen...and was already back in the clutches of Apple at the time of the search. If they are claiming that it was stolen at that time, then Apple is guilty of having stolen property.
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29. April 2010 @ 02:18 |
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my points of view.....
what happened to finders keepers
apple lost a product and to cover thier you know whats called the police to handle their dirty work
now if any of the technical stuff (OS specs etc) gets out they can claim stuff against this kid also, like if anouther product comes out from a competator apple will claim that this kid sold or gave specs to the competator and will sue not only the other company but also this kid for loss of revanue.
I read earlier that this kid is now "Gizmodo's million dollar baby" UMMMM well what do you think this has now done for Crapple. They get free publicity about a new phone coming out after they just released the iphone 3gs.
in my opinion, poor kid. He was just trying to write a story about a product that he knew the world would want to know, and now he's thrust into a huge lime light that he never thought would happen. All because some Crapple idiot left his "prototype" at a bar.
on a side thought........... if its a prototype, why was it allowed to leave crapple plant??
perhaps it was purposely "left" at the bar??
Oh well, love my Android hero. ;)
Just my thoughts
LD
*edit starts here*
In the warrent this phone is called "Apple 4G iphone"
If apple changes the name "ijunk" "imicrocomp" or some other name, can this young man then file a wrong full search since the item in question is not the item actually released??
Just anouther thought.
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29. April 2010 @ 02:49 |
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The journalist paid 5,000 dollars to recover the cell phone for Apple. This is the same company that signed an agreement with Apple Records that allows Apple to use the trademark provided they are not in the music business (iTunes). Apple should pay 5,000 dollars to the journalist as a recovery fee. The journalist provided the public with some general information about a product now in development. Video chat has been around for years for laptop and desktop users. (Note: A cell phone with a high resolution camera now provides industrial spys with a new tool.) Cell phones with high resolution camera are now a security risk for industry and government. We should to consider the risks and benefits associated with a product before we build it. Just thinking out loud. Our corporations will send trade secrets to a foreign country in exchange for cheap labor. The electronics industry spent billions of dollars to develop technology that they now send to a foreign country in exchange for cheap labor for a few years. Our economy was trashed and our children plan to find a career which can not be outsourced. Any job could be outsourced but what is the motivation. Health insurance industry now flys patients to foreign country to reduce cost of health care. Someday machines may take control of the planet because some company did not do a risk and benefit analysis before they developed the machine to replace man.
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29. April 2010 @ 04:43 |
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"Someday machines may take control of the planet because some company did not do a risk and benefit analysis before they developed the machine to replace man."
More likely, some rich **shole will decide that he does not want to pay a labor force, so he will replace them all with robots. These robots will follow him to death...and when they kill him, they will be free.
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29. April 2010 @ 04:45 |
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@john_swan:
This is the price every Pionneer pay for !
If you want to be the first you are risking money, jobs, lifes or else.
"MONEY" IS THE NAME OF THE GAME for all the Corporations.
So the Corporations are our real enemies !
The Government is just their Puppet !
http://video.newsweek.com/?t=71185989001&l=1753282802#
Live Free or Die.
The rule above all the rules is: Survive !
Capitalism: Funnel most of the $$$ to the already rich.
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29. April 2010 @ 05:05 |
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The story as I read it went along these lines, Apple Employee had prototype phone, went to Bar, left phone in Bar when he left, Someone found phone, tried to return it, tried apple, was given short shift. Tried a few avenues to return it. Finally was offered $5000 for it, then it was examined, and returned to apple.The story I read said that the person who found it HAD contacted APPLE, and got nowhere. So efforts to return were rejected. Apple employee had prototype, were they supposed to take it out? Was it left on purpose? Was it planned? Or an accident? Could they have hoped it got into the hands of the person who paid for it, then examined it, then returned it? Smells very fishy, and stale fish at that. Just my thoughts.
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29. April 2010 @ 17:57 |
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Originally posted by bmlshane:
The story as I read it went along these lines, Apple Employee had prototype phone, went to Bar, left phone in Bar when he left, Someone found phone, tried to return it, tried apple, was given short shift. Tried a few avenues to return it. Finally was offered $5000 for it, then it was examined, and returned to apple.The story I read said that the person who found it HAD contacted APPLE, and got nowhere. So efforts to return were rejected. Apple employee had prototype, were they supposed to take it out? Was it left on purpose? Was it planned? Or an accident? Could they have hoped it got into the hands of the person who paid for it, then examined it, then returned it? Smells very fishy, and stale fish at that. Just my thoughts.
Jason Chen also contacted apple who denied the phone was lost, so JC then filmed his bit and published. Then! Apple said yes it's our phone we want it back. The phone was returned, then the raid was to recover all the data and video footage, pictures and text, which if I'm not mistaken is copyright of JC. (source: Jon Stewarts Daily Show, so it must be true)
Therefore Apple used JC's local pd to steal his Intelectual Property
in the words of Jon Stewart " Apple, you are now THE MAN!"
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30. April 2010 @ 03:51 |
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[Ultra-sarcasm]Apple, stealing IP? Never![/Ultra-sarcasm]
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30. April 2010 @ 04:05 |
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The only Apple product that I have purchased was a desktop computer that came in several colors with a built-in 56K bps modem which would only connect at 38K bps. The other computers in the house would connect at 56K bps. This computer was returned to the computer store. Had the computer worked as advertised I would have a house full of Apple computers.
I told my wife, an Apple employee, to recommend that Apple use an Intel processor in Apple computers so they would give users the option of running mac os, windows or linux. Her manager presented the idea to management team and now Apple computers have Intel processors. This idea originated from me. People have built systems to run Mac OS X Leopard. Now I am an unemployed Software Engineer.
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30. April 2010 @ 05:11 |
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My last apple I paid for had a green & black screen, and used 5.25" floppy disks...I switched to intel when the i386 came out, and never went back. It seems Apple made the same obvious choice...it just took them about 20 more years to do it...now apples use PC hardware and can run windows & linux. If it were not for the fact that they cost too much, run too slow, and lack reliability, they could compete with HP...all they would have to do is dump OSX and go to windows or linux.
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30. April 2010 @ 11:49 |
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Originally posted by KillerBug:
My last apple I paid for had a green & black screen, and used 5.25" floppy disks...I switched to intel when the i386 came out, and never went back. It seems Apple made the same obvious choice...it just took them about 20 more years to do it...now apples use PC hardware and can run windows & linux. If it were not for the fact that they cost too much, run too slow, and lack reliability, they could compete with HP...all they would have to do is dump OSX and go to windows or linux.
the PPC could run linux, after all OSX is just Unix with pretty pictures
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juventini
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30. April 2010 @ 15:31 |
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All this drama for an iPod. What the hell is wrong with us. Where is the arrest warrants for Goldman sach? WTF!
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30. April 2010 @ 21:50 |
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He apparently was told by Apple to start with that it was not theirs and there was no prototype iPhone. Then suddenly Apple decides that they do have a prototype phone missing. I would assume they didn't want it back too if they denied its existence. It seems that Steve Jobs is not the only twat at Apple.
The police could have phoned Chen and asked him to meet them at his home rather than smash his door in. He is not a dangerous drug trafficker who is likely to have a cache of weapons in the house.
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30. April 2010 @ 22:04 |
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He apparently was told by Apple to start with that it was not theirs and there was no prototype
so by that reasoning then.. they have used the police to literally steal evidence from somebody to cover up the fact they are now in possession of stolen property belonging to "person or persons unknown"
This gets better by the minute.. now who says we live in a "free world" and that yankee yehaw land is the "land of the free" when some corporation can get something which they deny all rights or knowledge of in the first instance.. then change their minds and have it handed to them without showing any proof it IS theirs.. and then use public paid law enforcement to run an illegal search and seizure operation without any grounds whatsoever against an ordinary member of the public who had nicely asked them was it theirs and firstly when they denied any knowledge of it didn't hand it on to anybody but instead most likely called them again and said "are you sure it ain't yours????
How about if he had turned it in to the police.. they would have had to photograph it for evidence purposes and work out what it was.. would they then have to raid themselves?
strewth.. time you lot had another revolution.. you REALLY need one!!!
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30. April 2010 @ 23:41 |
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Gizmodo should be return to phone to the Police right after used it and post it on his web-site.
Then when the Cry babies Crappel call: Dude, where is my phone ?
Gizmodo, reply: What Phone ? I return one already, go ask them maybe is the one you are looking for....Bye !
....end of the History.
P.S. Never trust the Sharks !!!
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1. May 2010 @ 01:45 |
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Originally posted by KillerBug:
My last apple I paid for had a green & black screen, and used 5.25" floppy disks...I switched to intel when the i386 came out, and never went back. It seems Apple made the same obvious choice...it just took them about 20 more years to do it...now apples use PC hardware and can run windows & linux. If it were not for the fact that they cost too much, run too slow, and lack reliability, they could compete with HP...all they would have to do is dump OSX and go to windows or linux.
Apple has given schools computers. Sometimes it is better to conform to industry standards. Big indian little indian problems can make data sharing a challenge. It is not as difficult as converting floating point binary data from one standard to another standard to migrate data across different computer hardware platforms.
Motorola makes excellant microprocessors. You have to remember to insert a NOP instruction after read from memory mapped input/output device to allow the memory read cycle to complete and set the condition code to be set (m68020 and m68040). Then your conditional branch in the instruction pipeline should then work. Less than one percent of software engineers using m68020 and m68040 know this. Starting an interrupt routine with a NOP instruction would be an excellant idea for these microprocessors. Less than one percent of software engineers using m68020 and m68040 know this.
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2. May 2010 @ 16:03 |
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Originally posted by slickwill:
One word, "Facism". The corporations are using the police to oppress the people.
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Which is all the reason more to use TrueCrypt to encrypt everything on any type of digital media.
Not so Grasshopper:
Quote:
Fascism: is a religion of the State, it assumes the organic unity of the body politic and longs for a national leader attuned to the will of the people. it is totalitarian in that it views everything as political and holds that any action by the state is justified to achieve the common good. it takes responsibility for all aspects of life, including our health and well-being, and seeks to impose uniformity of thought and action, wither by force or through regulation and social pressure. Everything, including economy and religion, must be aligned with its objectives. any rival identity is part of the "problem" and therefore defined as the enemy.
and you can be compelled to give up encryption passwords, or be further charged with hindering Prosecution or obstruction of Justice
messed up huh ........
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2. May 2010 @ 16:10 |
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Originally posted by ZippyDSM:
ok........if this dose not smack of fascism what dose, apple says jump the police say how high....sorry....but lost is not stolen....... using the police for a legal non criminal manner is highly questionable.....
Fascism: is a religion of the State, it assumes the organic unity of the body politic and longs for a national leader attuned to the will of the people. it is totalitarian in that it views everything as political and holds that any action by the state is justified to achieve the common good. it takes responsibility for all aspects of life, including our health and well-being, and seeks to impose uniformity of thought and action, wither by force or through regulation and social pressure. Everything, including economy and religion, must be aligned with its objectives. any rival identity is part of the "problem" and therefore defined as the enemy.
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2. May 2010 @ 16:19 |
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errr.. peopel aren't getting the bigger picture.. His house wasn't raided to "get back" a stolen item.. that had already been returned to crapple.. His house was raided to take his copyright property.. his article and any photos he had taken of the device.. THE PHONE WAS NOT THERE, IT WAS BACK WITH APPLE .. this is plain and simple abuse of the law.. a completely unfounded and unconstitutional raid instigated by big business against an innocent private citizen who happens to be employed as a journalist and who fulfilled his legal obligations re: the lost property by working out what it was and who it belonged to and returning it.. even though they denied it was anything to do with them the first time they were contacted about it.... surely you KNOW if you own something or not.. maybe even if you don't know it's missing?? hmmmmmm.. my legal brain kicks in...
I would have a field day in court with this one.. They have contradicted their claim of ownership.. and then when they have taken possession of the item they deny owning they send illegal law enforcement down on the person who gave the item to them.. The case is going to be good.. *rubs hands* but the outcome is already assured.. apple win.. little man loses.. even though no law has been broken they will have his skin.. just because they can .. when the innocent become the victims of the "law" there is only one eventual outcome.. bloody revolution and burning buildings.. memory is short.. just what started the Watts riots again?.. heavy handed illegal law enforcement against innocent people wasn't it? same thing that has sparked civil wars and revolutions across the world since the dawn of civilisation..
Greece .. government promises EU bankers to increase taxes and cut public services by massive amount as part of a "bail out" deal.. bomb explodes outside HSBC bank in Athens.. slogans painted on buildings "burn the bankers and ministries!".. today people.. it starts today!!
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