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Songwriters want piracy investigated by FBI, compare it to bank robbery
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article published on 4 May, 2010
The Songwriters Guild of America has made it clear with a note this weekend, via Ars, that music piracy is worse than bank robbery, and that the FBI should begin prosecuting all file-sharers civilly and criminally.
"There are numerous economic crimes of much lesser magnitude (such as bank robbery) that are routinely and fully investigated, for which law enforcement agencies such as the ... [ read the full article ]
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10. May 2010 @ 00:21 |
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Originally posted by powerq:
In regards to the ASCAP lawsuit against Connolly's Pub and Restaurant, ASCAP was solely responsible for naming Bruce Springsteen as a plaintiff in the lawsuit. Bruce Springsteen had no knowledge of this lawsuit, was not asked if he would participate as a named plaintiff, and would not have agreed to do so if he had been asked. Upon learning of this lawsuit this morning, Bruce Springsteen's representatives demanded the immediate removal of his name from the lawsuit.
They didn't even ask him? The effen cheek of those dudes just spells it out.
They should have used that tosser Gene Simmons' name instead.
"Super profits are always short-lived", so said a business study I attended. That particular industry's profits has been living on borrowed time for many years because of special circumstances not because of any particular inherent rights... they were lucky. These jumped up troubadours with their overblown sense of self-importance, who do they actually think they are, Fred Hollows*?
And why should these copyrights extend way way past a patents life? Arguably the lack of eventual public domain material is bad for all of us... artists included.
(*Who's charitable foundation still restores the sight of thousands in 3rd world countries for free).
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10. May 2010 @ 00:32 |
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Don't believe everything you read on the internet.
actually didnt read about it on the internet was on tv on current affair and in the newspapers.
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10. May 2010 @ 21:30 |
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Before internet we had reel to reel and casette tapes that were part of our "Media Centers". We recorded right from the radio stations or from our Lp Albums. It was encouraged to do that with dual casstte players . No one ever called it piracy and the record companies never called foul.It is the same thing today just a different method. There is no real loss.
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11. May 2010 @ 23:22 |
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Originally posted by Winddog:
Before internet we had reel to reel and casette tapes that were part of our "Media Centers". We recorded right from the radio stations or from our Lp Albums. It was encouraged to do that with dual casstte players . No one ever called it piracy and the record companies never called foul.It is the same thing today just a different method. There is no real loss.
Yes, we call it pirating for a joke... when it's really just sharing.
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All in the name of GREED.
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13. May 2010 @ 20:35 |
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Originally posted by Jemborg:
Originally posted by powerq:
In regards to the ASCAP lawsuit against Connolly's Pub and Restaurant, ASCAP was solely responsible for naming Bruce Springsteen as a plaintiff in the lawsuit. Bruce Springsteen had no knowledge of this lawsuit, was not asked if he would participate as a named plaintiff, and would not have agreed to do so if he had been asked. Upon learning of this lawsuit this morning, Bruce Springsteen's representatives demanded the immediate removal of his name from the lawsuit.
They didn't even ask him? The effen cheek of those dudes just spells it out.
They should have used that tosser Gene Simmons' name instead.
"Super profits are always short-lived", so said a business study I attended. That particular industry's profits has been living on borrowed time for many years because of special circumstances not because of any particular inherent rights... they were lucky. These jumped up troubadours with their overblown sense of self-importance, who do they actually think they are, Fred Hollows*?
And why should these copyrights extend way way past a patents life? Arguably the lack of eventual public domain material is bad for all of us... artists included.
(*Who's charitable foundation still restores the sight of thousands in 3rd world countries for free).
Thanks! I did not know that. I feel much better. I can see slymie lawyers doing such a thing but not Springsteen. Simmons is another animal all together.
In the US patent last 18 yrs and copyrights 100. A copyright is protecting an idea. Patents protect thing that often cost millions before they can be patented. Copyrights only screw the public while killing patents early allow other business to make a profit. Those business obviously paid off the politicians.
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I believe bank robbery is under federal because the money is controlled by the Feds and insured by the Feds. Its their property. Why dont they use all the money they are wasteing on this BS and use it towards protecting their Cds better. Sue the people who manufacture their Cds for not making the Cds secure.
Lets go sue kids with no money. Why else would kids download music from P2P's! IDIOTS.....
You wont see the US like the UK. You people have lost it all now. You will be comming here to the US like the Mexicans. All the Uk needs now is the church to get involved and you have the modern Dark Ages again.
They went after the UK because "We the People" wont put up with their crap.
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Originally posted by jimnesie:
Our jails will now be filled with music lovers? Is that what they want? The problem it won't be the jails, it would be reform schools. Most bank robberies aren't done by kids 12 to 18 years old.
Maybe in jail they would force us to listen to Boy Geoge all day
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Originally posted by blizz26:
I believe bank robbery is under federal because the money is controlled by the Feds and insured by the Feds. Its their property. Why dont they use all the money they are wasteing on this BS and use it towards protecting their Cds better. Sue the people who manufacture their Cds for not making the Cds secure.
Lets go sue kids with no money. Why else would kids download music from P2P's! IDIOTS.....
You wont see the US like the UK. You people have lost it all now. You will be comming here to the US like the Mexicans. All the Uk needs now is the church to get involved and you have the modern Dark Ages again.
They went after the UK because "We the People" wont put up with their crap.
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These are unusual concepts. They try to protect CD and DVDs but then old players can't play them. If you had any knowledge about what you are talking about you would know it is pretty much impossible to completely protect something that can be played. The audio or video can be captured. The best protection is an unplayable disk but you can't sell them for long. Just look at the Avatar BR disk.
The US is becoming more and more like the UK every month. "We the People" including myself elected Obama who is doing just that. So don't say we will not stand for that because we are until the next election. Maybe we will vote out some of the morons ruining this country maybe not.
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I live in australia so i dont have to deal with the government trying to crack down on piracy.O wait they did try with iinet(was an american company not the government) which got thrown out of court.eventually song writers guild or FBI or RIAA or someone will try to crack down on australia's piracy doubt they will succeed but its only a matter of time before they try.doubt the australian courts/people will put in with it personally.
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They sued in Sprinsteen's name without alerting him? Wow...he should sue them for slander! I can't say I like his music, but at least I don't want him dead anymore.
Anger is growing slowly, but steadily. The government is slowly making it a crime to create any kind of content on your own...and it won't be long before a 2-hour home video will be considered piracy if there is half of a coke can visible for a second. We live in a system that takes the worst parts of capitalism (extreme greed, violence, hatred), and merges them with the worst parts of Stalinism (lazy, non-competitive companies, an overblown government, and a few monopolies that cover most aspects of life). Whenever these things come to light, and someone says something like, "We should not be selling children into slavery" they get a response like, "What, are you a communist?"...yet you question the wisdom of spending $100,000,000,000 to renovate one room of a school house in Iraq, and now you are a cold, unfeeling, greedy bastard in line with the terrorists (I don't agree with their tactics or goals, but I can certainly see how they would consider the USA to be 'the great satan'). Piracy (AKA sharing like we were taught to do from an early age) is one of the many tips of this iceberg...and I fear that the best (or least-worst) possible end to all of this will involve much bloodshed. At the very least, the governments and corporations are taking a very diverse group of people who are allied behind the idea that sharing is good, and turning them into paranoid, slowly hardening criminals. At this point, I am half-tempted to join a group of real pirates...it seems like that is the closest to being free that I will get without winning a billion-dollar lottery.
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Do what you want cause a pirate is free, you are a Pirate. yar har
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Originally posted by xboxdvl2:
I live in australia so i dont have to deal with the government trying to crack down on piracy.O wait they did try with iinet(was an american company not the government) which got thrown out of court.eventually song writers guild or FBI or RIAA or someone will try to crack down on australia's piracy doubt they will succeed but its only a matter of time before they try.doubt the australian courts/people will put in with it personally.
I'm an Aussie and sometimes I think our country is the only one that can fake orgasm whilst being raped. I mean look at all the fuss over asking foreign mining companies to pay a little more back.
I am worried about the internet filter, a-la China or Iran, that the government insist on imposing on us, in theory to protect us from kiddy porn (they've been told repeatedly by experts it won't work)... how long before it includes all torrent sites etc.?
Its a lot easier being righteous than right.
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Originally posted by Jemborg:
Originally posted by xboxdvl2:
I live in australia so i dont have to deal with the government trying to crack down on piracy.O wait they did try with iinet(was an american company not the government) which got thrown out of court.eventually song writers guild or FBI or RIAA or someone will try to crack down on australia's piracy doubt they will succeed but its only a matter of time before they try.doubt the australian courts/people will put in with it personally.
I'm an Aussie and sometimes I think our country is the only one that can fake orgasm whilst being raped. I mean look at all the fuss over asking foreign mining companies to pay a little more back.
I am worried about the internet filter, a-la China or Iran, that the government insist on imposing on us, in theory to protect us from kiddy porn (they've been told repeatedly by experts it won't work)... how long before it includes all torrent sites etc.?
I personally havnt heard much about an internet filter(provide a link so i can have a read please).As for kiddy porn knew a guy years ago that got caught with 6 stolen laptops full of child porn and didnt even get locked up he did however spend a few months in a psychiatric ward and got all charges dropped.My mum got a spam email from someone offering child porn and she contacted the police and they got her to forward the email to them and then told her it was from someone overseas they couldnt do anything about it.As far as im concerned the austarlian governement doesn't care about kiddy porn otherwise they would of done something about it.
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Originally posted by xboxdvl2:
Originally posted by Jemborg:
Originally posted by xboxdvl2:
I live in australia so i dont have to deal with the government trying to crack down on piracy.O wait they did try with iinet(was an american company not the government) which got thrown out of court.eventually song writers guild or FBI or RIAA or someone will try to crack down on australia's piracy doubt they will succeed but its only a matter of time before they try.doubt the australian courts/people will put in with it personally.
I'm an Aussie and sometimes I think our country is the only one that can fake orgasm whilst being raped. I mean look at all the fuss over asking foreign mining companies to pay a little more back.
I am worried about the internet filter, a-la China or Iran, that the government insist on imposing on us, in theory to protect us from kiddy porn (they've been told repeatedly by experts it won't work)... how long before it includes all torrent sites etc.?
I personally havnt heard much about an internet filter(provide a link so i can have a read please).As for kiddy porn knew a guy years ago that got caught with 6 stolen laptops full of child porn and didnt even get locked up he did however spend a few months in a psychiatric ward and got all charges dropped.My mum got a spam email from someone offering child porn and she contacted the police and they got her to forward the email to them and then told her it was from someone overseas they couldnt do anything about it.As far as im concerned the austarlian governement doesn't care about kiddy porn otherwise they would of done something about it.
To be fair most governments do try to control this kind of porn but they do not have the legal right to go into the few countries that choose not to bother about it, also both posters and users are probably using sophisticated security which cannot be broken. The chances are that if someone receives some kind of open email like that then it will either be someone delivering malicious software, or a spoof add to tempt people to a more normally oriented porn site or even a police/vigilante sting aimed at catching the people who go on to visit the site.
The kiddy porn argument is trotted out to try and convince people that there valid reasons for what they want to do - when in reality the legislation is to protect a multi million pound industry. I do not believe that this argument (any more than terrorism) justifies invading privacy without there first being reasonable suspicion of illegal activity and the process of law being required just as for phone tapping.
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God, that must be some good crack their smoking, if the FBI starts to take over these cases then guaranteed its time to move to Canada because our country is over..... But the one dudes correct if the music was not complete garbage may be people would by it! But hell really I don't download music I just listen to it on the net now a days, and you know what if i had to buy it.. guess what, I still would not buy the crap.
I'm sorry Mr Jay Z I feel so sorry, while I'm struggling to feed my kids I did not stop and think of your needs and that you wanted that new Porsche thats not due out until 2015 so now you cant be the first person to in the world to drive it.... oh dam my bad! Whats worse is when they sue people that have served in WWII and they actually went threw with it toit and ended up suing him for 2 millions... they wanted to settle for 500k when the dude does not even own a car...... I guarantee they try to sue me and and my life with that crap I will return the favor and it wont be with lawyer.... their sick greedy people!
There is so many storys like this its ridiculous and heres a fact! The Artist would get allot more money if they did something smart like..... IDK got rid of the RIAA and the others. Hell their new tactic is bankrupting radio stations demanding they play what they say and to charge them not what the song actually generates but rather what ever the industry says.... They need to be offed and I mean that! Todays music is just garbage anyhow... for more storys read.. http://www.eff.org/wp/riaa-v-people-years-later
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21. May 2010 @ 08:51 |
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if someone served in WW2 or not doesn't give them to right to break the law or commit piracy.yeah if the government wants to go after people for downloading stuff they should go after the rich but they know a rich person can hire the best lawyer money can buy and costs them thousands if not millions in legal fees and get no where.poor people are easy targets for the RIAA thats why they go after them.
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Originally posted by xboxdvl2:
if someone served in WW2 or not doesn't give them to right to break the law or commit piracy.yeah if the government wants to go after people for downloading stuff they should go after the rich but they know a rich person can hire the best lawyer money can buy and costs them thousands if not millions in legal fees and get no where.poor people are easy targets for the RIAA thats why they go after them.
Its not the goverment who is going after people..... Btw these laws where all passed to make downloading a crime by the RIAA because their was opposition to making it a illegal. For instance their is a law that say you can make backup copys of anything you want & the riaa contended you should not be allowed to even make a copy of a song you already own. Another problem was that its not stealing since you did not take something from sone else. Actually its called sharing, So where is the crime? Thats when the RIAA stated that for every download that could have been a purchase of the cd... So for every song shared the person infect actually stole 18 or w/e dollars from them. Its all bullshit! Its a good thing not the hole world acts like this because many things would not be around to day like you tube... Thats why the industry is also turning to shit, many years from now they wont be around anymore anyways trust me. Just know that it was not stealing until the RIAA fought to get it ruled illegal, that made sharing illegal.
Just so you know in their world its illegal to share a DVD or movie with a friend also, Unless they purchased a copy! So If you have shared anything in your life with copyrighted material on it be it a cd, dvd, and of course like those of us who download! You have committed a crime believe it or not! So fuck them, and fuck who ever is with them! Many people don't think about it when they go "yea you should go to jail!" But I know you have share a movie or a album with someone and that my friend makes you as guilty as anyone else! No one thinks about that do they...
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Originally posted by Mordhom:
Originally posted by xboxdvl2:
if someone served in WW2 or not doesn't give them to right to break the law or commit piracy.yeah if the government wants to go after people for downloading stuff they should go after the rich but they know a rich person can hire the best lawyer money can buy and costs them thousands if not millions in legal fees and get no where.poor people are easy targets for the RIAA thats why they go after them.
Its not the goverment who is going after people..... Btw these laws where all passed to make downloading a crime by the RIAA because their was opposition to making it a illegal. For instance their is a law that say you can make backup copys of anything you want & the riaa contended you should not be allowed to even make a copy of a song you already own. Another problem was that its not stealing since you did not take something from sone else. Actually its called sharing, So where is the crime? Thats when the RIAA stated that for every download that could have been a purchase of the cd... So for every song shared the person infect actually stole 18 or w/e dollars from them. Its all bullshit! Its a good thing not the hole world acts like this because many things would not be around to day like you tube... Thats why the industry is also turning to shit, many years from now they wont be around anymore anyways trust me. Just know that it was not stealing until the RIAA fought to get it ruled illegal, that made sharing illegal.
Just so you know in their world its illegal to share a DVD or movie with a friend also, Unless they purchased a copy! So If you have shared anything in your life with copyrighted material on it be it a cd, dvd, and of course like those of us who download! You have committed a crime believe it or not! So fuck them, and fuck who ever is with them! Many people don't think about it when they go "yea you should go to jail!" But I know you have share a movie or a album with someone and that my friend makes you as guilty as anyone else! No one thinks about that do they...
the point i was trying to make is regardless of whether someone served in a war or not is not a reasonable excuse for someone to commit a crime.I may or may not commit piracy.this site doesn't allow piracy so I'm not comfortable discussing it.i will however say i have backed up movies and songs that I own.i'm not saying i've have never committed a crime either.
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i commit a crime every time my PC boots up.
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i commit a crime every time my PC boots up.
I may or may not ambiguously agree...
Doesnt expecting the unexpected make the unexpected expected and therefore mean youre expecting the expected which was the unexpected until you expected it?
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Originally posted by DXR88:
i commit a crime every time my PC boots up.
haha :D
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