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FBI targets child porn on P2P
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article published on 14 May, 2004
FBI has launched a nationwide probe into child porn trafficking over the P2P networks in the United States and so far FBI has investigated over 1,000 cases and have arrested already more than 65 people.
FBI's actions indicate that pedophiles have moved from Net's chat rooms, discussion forums and private web servers to the seemignly anonymous P2P networks. Seemingly because none of the ... [ read the full article ]
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siber
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14. May 2004 @ 15:39 |
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Great, just what we need. In that figure, are they including Intelligence Operatives in the Baghdad jail system?
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brian100
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15. May 2004 @ 03:50 |
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Good on the FBI..track down and halt this evil trade, catch these evil sick perverts who trade in THE most offensive material imagineable.
How can you possible have a problem with the FBI here siber????
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siber
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15. May 2004 @ 05:47 |
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I have no problem with the FBI here. Child pornography is like you said...very ugly stuff that only gives P2P a bad name. Anybody who can rid us of this is welcome, of course. I was just a bit cynical, I guess, about Mr Ashcroft and his true motives. As much self-policing by P2P and all of us is what's really needed. I hate to have to rely on the FBI to clean up our act. It seems to me that the FBI has a lot of other priorities to attend to.
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Frozilla
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15. May 2004 @ 19:23 |
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There is absolutely zero reason to argue with shutting that garbage down period.
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Hanedrick
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15. May 2004 @ 22:32 |
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The only reason you could possible be upset with the FBI is why they didn't do this sooner! Hell, I'll search "sex" on Kazaa, just looking for some good legal porn, and shit will come up with descriptions of child porn! WTF?! Child melestation is no small matter and should be a TOP priority for the FBI!
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Shegax
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16. May 2004 @ 01:34 |
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Yes, I agree. For once they are welcome here to clean out this shit on the P2P. We try and stand for P2P and free information, and all that could be tarnished by yet " another Reason" why P2P should be shut down "in thier eyes". SO FBI go tracj down those sick ass peeps, they aren't welcome in our domain
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16. May 2004 @ 05:12 |
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they still cudnt shut down P2P over child porn, think about it, that'd justify shutting down the whole net because some sites contain child porn!
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16. May 2004 @ 05:55 |
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they should all be tracked down and strung up by the
b#*"~ks and put into a room with the parents that'll sort em out i know i would
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16. May 2004 @ 13:30 |
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lol i guess it would work ye! :-) I get very pissed off with people who trade this type of material online or worse, actually abuse children! I think the punishments for such crimes are just not good enuff!
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Frozilla
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17. May 2004 @ 00:43 |
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Chester Chester the molester. They should hang them from the ceiling by there balls and paper clips.
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17. May 2004 @ 20:24 |
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Nah just throw em in jail and leave them there for a long time, they will get a much worse time there when the other's find out what they are there for :-)
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daz2712
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18. May 2004 @ 14:55 |
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That's what I say do.Throw them in jail with a big sign on their back saying kiddie molestor and let the others in there sort out their punishment.Dirty bastards should have the crap kicked out of them every day! I for one would love to get a chance!
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18. May 2004 @ 15:18 |
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Well i dunno what real punishment they deserve, ill just leave it up to someone else to do it!
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Toiletman
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18. May 2004 @ 20:04 |
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Punishment should be: Hearing me sing at 3:00 AM every night :D
Worse than life sentence in jail and having your liver ripped out by a crowbar everyday only to find it to regrow the next day and having it ripped out again.
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siber
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18. May 2004 @ 20:37 |
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I cannot agree more that child pornography needs to be dealt with. I doubt that there ever will be a way of eradicating it. All the proposed punishments - noted above - will not succeed in doing that.
I would be extremely happy if it was the P2P programmers and users who found a way of just freeing the net of child pornography. If we cannot do it, then let the FBI try to do it. So be it.
Unfortunately the FBI doesn't have a great track record so far and I would hate to invite them in and then find out that they use this pretext for knocking down all privacy barriers that you and I have enjoyed so far.
I would hate to give them the right to go check the Hard Drive of anybody and everybody looking for 'child pornography' and then have them say: we didn't find any child pornography but we found these other files that need to be looked at...
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djtp
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20. May 2004 @ 14:59 |
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siber's right. The client creators, network designers and supernode hosts have enough power to stop this themselves. Kazaa lite comes with a good blocklist feature that could be adapted & the direct connect community/moderator model seems to prevent kiddy porn very well already.. If state agencies develop the tools and get the resources to crackdown on this there's plenty of other less righteous uses they could put it to. We need to show P2P can have laudable public uses & take responsibility for some of the problems it creates, its life hangs in the balance
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ZetaGC
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21. May 2004 @ 03:01 |
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What we need is a very large, worldwide group of P2P members who can help patrol the networks. Then that sick material would be flagged by these people for a bot to automatically remove users and such content. Of course it's just a vision, we have to face reality:
A) There would not be many dedicated people willing to patrol the P2P network even for say, 10 minutes. (We do get bored don't forget!)
B) So we make sure one sick bastard hit the ground hard, there would still be many more cropping up.
C) Some ppl "dedicated" to the cause may demand for money to police the P2P group despite it being a mainly free community!
Reality sucks sometimes!
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fartpoop
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21. May 2004 @ 06:35 |
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for all you know it could be your neighbour thats downloadin child porn i figure the best way to deal with it is hack his computer and if you see these type of files on his pc wait at his doorstep and when he comes out for his outside time which he would not recognize you because of the ski mask covering your face pound the living crap out of him to the point he wont even recognize himself in the mirror let alone he cant look in the mirror because he sits in a wheel chair due to his broken legs you just might feel like you put a dent in some sickos lifestyle.
p.s only if i knew how to hack a pc.
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emirikol
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24. May 2004 @ 11:11 |
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violence...nice. another reason this country is going down the crapper.
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fartpoop
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24. May 2004 @ 12:37 |
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violence for a cause, i think the electric chair is also violent, and the gas chamber.
i aint tryin to troll here but you must think differently bout child porn if you think i am "violent". I dont know if you have children yourself i do and when i see the news and child porn busts by police and so forth i look at my kids and i have a reason to get violent in fear that theres wackos out there that look at children in such a manor if i was to ever see anyone approach my children or any other child in that manor that i think gives me the right to get "violent".
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emirikol
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25. May 2004 @ 06:01 |
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Nothing gives us the right to take the law into our own hands. Vigilantism is just one of the first steps to the end of civilized life. A path I don't want to walk down.
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siber
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25. May 2004 @ 08:45 |
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Amen, Emirikol. I have chidren too, fartpoop...Implying that anybody who doesn't agree with you must somehow have dishonorable ideas about child pornography makes me wonder...
This thread is quickly going nowhere. It is obvious that everybody is falling over themselves trying to explain how dreadful they all feel about child pornography invading our dear internet and the P2P community in particular.
The only difference is that a lot of us are trying to up the previous comment by the severity of punishment we would dole out if it was up to us. Some are so adamant that we get a wee bit irrational by confusing how far we would go to protect our children from child slavery and the legitimate need to draw the line between 'pornography'(mostly considered an unavoidable nuisance by some and a necessary safety valve by others) and 'child pornography'(see effusive comments by others).
The original question about the role of the FBI in all this has vanished in the mist...Time to close this one...
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steve7059
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27. May 2004 @ 11:29 |
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Aside from the moral viewpoint, expressed her ad nauseum, condemning child pornography, let's not forget the legal viewpoint. While pornography is protected by the first ammendment protecting free speech, CHILD pornography does not enjoy that same protection. The real question, though, as pointed out earlier, is once the FBI gets their foot in the door, so to speak, what's to keep them from prosecuting the file-sharing of copyrighted material, which also does not enjoy the protection of the first ammendment.
Although file swappers and child ponographers may be miles apart moralistically, in the eyes of the law, they are all lawbreakers.
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Toiletman
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28. May 2004 @ 07:39 |
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Not filesharing, especially if you're in countries like Canada ;)
Not all lawyers and judges are robots you know, they have feelings too...
Just because filesharing and child pornography is illegal, which one do you think the judge will be more serious about?
Some poor guy downloading a couple of songs off the internet using a program
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Some guy that is distrubuting child pornography or even being part of child pornography.
And even if the FBI did step in and take that extra step to start the whole fucking war thing again, what the hell are you going to do about it?
You can scream, rant, shout, even go crazy, but in the end, none of it will matter much.
P.S. Feel free to change my mind using proper sentences and grammar. Flaming me is not going to do much. Unless of course, it's a good flame.
Everyone is entitled to their own true opinion. Either respect that or don't.
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fartpoop
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28. May 2004 @ 18:22 |
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excuse my comments i posted earlier bout child porn i just seem to get really upset when i hear situations revolving this topic, i think that people that work for organizations that search for these people aint doing a good job and they need to kick it up a notch regarding this situation at hand i mean theres so many ways to work threw the intranet to track down people recently ive seen people gettin arrested for child porn but i think they should get more into computer resources of tracking these certain individuals and deal with it.
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