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FBI targets child porn on P2P
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The following comments relate to this news article:
article published on 14 May, 2004
FBI has launched a nationwide probe into child porn trafficking over the P2P networks in the United States and so far FBI has investigated over 1,000 cases and have arrested already more than 65 people.
FBI's actions indicate that pedophiles have moved from Net's chat rooms, discussion forums and private web servers to the seemignly anonymous P2P networks. Seemingly because none of the ... [ read the full article ]
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1. June 2004 @ 12:39 |
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Exactly, morally it's obvious uploading kiddy porn is a far worse crime than uploading a britney spears mp3 but both are illegal and, more importantly, the technology and legal mechanisms the authorities can use for one can easily be applied to the other. The only way to prevent this is with a community solution.
For exmple.. All p2p files have a unique HASH, and most networks use some kinda SUPERNODE system.. If you were to use a method similar to the 'Block Bad IP Ranges' feature in KazaaLite supernodes could prevent distribution of files verified/or strongly suspected of being kiddy porn.
You wouldn't need a team of volunteers, just a report this file button in the client program.. Who wouldn't take the time to report a kiddy porn file if they knew this may eradicate the file from the network?
This would require the co-operation of the coders building the software and some volunteers to run the centralised block list but most of it could be automated and it would avoid the feds being given carte blanche, which is exactly what they'll get if we don't fix it ourselves!
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Ok, people, lets get real here! How can anyone who has any sense of being "Just" or fair in our blood thirsty world say that putting people in prison for crimes that they did not commit or had no hand in creating righteous?? Yes, the pedophiles making the shit should be put away, but how can it be fair to hold someone else accountable for the actions of the sick ones out there that are making it! Its like this...thounsands of people die every year in drunk driving accidents out there but no one throws the makers of booze in jail now do they, they go after the people who actually caused the accidents.
Yes child porn is hideous and socially unacceptable, but to persecute the people who meerly look at(either purposely or by mistake) is nothing but a primitive witch hunt...just like the "Salem witch hunts" from 100`s of years ago. People this is not the middle ages so before you go and immediately prejudge everyone and label them as social outcasts because they meerly look at other peoples crimes scenes you should educate yourself more.Not everyone who looks at kiddie porn are pedophiles and if your use your precious internet to research it you will see the error of your ways. I dont care what anyone looks at as long as it it the privacy of thier own home. They need to get the people who make it and distribute it. heres a URL for those of you who may want to open your minds a little bit and edutace yourself
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/926810/posts
read this. Its normal human behavior to hate, fear, or despise anything they do not understand but we have been given brains ..use them, after all this is the 21st century! Heres more food for thought take a look around this frickin site and tell me why this shit is legal www.rotten.com now ask yourself why is this legal and child porn not.A site to the sickest shit imaginable is legal...dead and dismembered bodies, decaying flesh, thats some sick shit....but its legal
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10. July 2004 @ 09:25 |
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11. July 2004 @ 12:08 |
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spangle, are you sexually obsessed with nunya1 or something.... =P
Anyway, anyone heard anymore "extra news" on this? I haven't been using Kazaa Lite for ages, and I haven't started up my WinMX for a while either.
Maybe they're really kicking it up a notch.
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11. July 2004 @ 21:28 |
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Well I have posted the way I see these crimes on other threads on the forum but I cant remember exactly what threads!
Some of the posts i have read here have bits and pieces i agree with!
Its a bad situation for sure because there are so many factors one SHOULD take into account! For example, some people are being sued for uploading music and others are getting away with uploading kiddy porn or getting off lightly! Now this could anger anybody, because i also agree that child porn is a lot more serious crime than copyright infringement! However, before people jump to their guns at people who upload/download child porn, take a look into their past! The horrible truth that is hard to accept is that many of these people have developed an unnatural attraction to children because of an event or series of events in their childhood! For example, a person who was sexually molested as a child might grow to find it socially acceptable! I believe it is more of an illness than anything else! Probably very hard to cure too! Now there is still no excuse to distribute this sort of material online or by any other means, but any1 who does this should seriously consider taking a look back and wondering why they do it! If you go forward and admit u have a problem there are people who can help you through it in the world. I think its like a cycle that never ends! A child is influenced at an early age by what adults do mostly! a child will then grow into an adult eventually too and keep what they grew up with! But as i said, it DOES NOT justify using the Internet to trade this type of material, whether or not you have actually abused children in your life, its all the same, its spreading something that shouldn't be spread. Now thats one example, another problem also lies here!
In some countries in the world, people are brought up different! For example, some countries encourage nudism in people of all ages. Nudism is not Pornography in most countries in the world too! In fact there are countries where they would frown that someone would have a problem with a naked body in public! And people might think this is the wrong way to bring up children, and thats ok, its up to them, its their opinion but many oif these countries claim they dont have problems with child porn or child abuse on the scale the rest of the world does, simply because they are brought up to realise everyone is basically the same! now as for me, i dont really follow that belief either and i think countries that practice this might wanna watch who frequently goes on holiday there lol
In my opinion, child porn is evil and should be destroyed. There is nothing that justifys distributing it, not even a bad childhood, if someone had a bad childhood its up to them to fix their lives up! in this world no1 would do it for you! I support the Feds and other organisations in their fight against child porn online and on P2P and im not ashamed to admit that, but its a very very bad situation! especially with the internet that expands across so many countries and cultures!
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12. July 2004 @ 12:12 |
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You've made some very good points/strong arguements, but there is one thing.
When peedofiles (pardon my spelling) get caught, they're usually treated with help, whether they're in prison or not.
Everyone is entitled to their own true opinion. Either respect that or don't.
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Yes that is true BUT the sad part of that is a very sick and twisted man could use that as a way of getting out of jail, or maybe a way of getting shorter time! Like I said already, its a very bad situation!
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13. July 2004 @ 12:04 |
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We all know these individuals are sick minded.But the thing that annoys me is we treat these people like it is a illness.First they put all the children and there familys through hell.Then when they get banged up where we treat them for some sort of illness.Then the victims family are expected to pay there goverments to help fund sorting them out.When they get back out they do the same again what is the point.There should be a island with no escape where there put and they fend for themselves and do not return.Jarrasic Park would be nice if it was real let them become the hunted for a change.If not the death penalty fits the crime with the victims family's choice of exicution and excutioner.If the fbi want to shut P2P down so what.It is better to get the sick individuals of the net where are kids surf than to have P2P.My only problem with this is i don't think it would get them off the net which we would all like.
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13. July 2004 @ 12:32 |
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@john179, i agree with a lot of what you said, the way this is dealt with is not right!
However, you cannot shut down P2P because some sick individuals might be trading kiddy porn with each other. That also means u could eradicate the world of VCR's and camera's etc... Having them hunted down individually is the best choice, the only thing i find wrong about the campaign against them is how it's being dealt with. It's being dealt with publically, they should have just taken them all by surprise but they didnt!
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I agree with the Attorney Generals comment,however I don't trust the Feds any farther than I could throw an agent.Our government needs it's own set of watchdogs(it's citizens)to keep them in line.They may claim they are doing one thing for a specific reason but twist it to use it for something else.If only they were trustworthy.As far as "treating a pediphile" that's like treating a person for being homosexual.Doesn't work they just aren't going to be hertosexual.THEY ARE HOMOSEXUAL! They will always be so.In jail pediphiles are separated from the ohter prisoners.I don't think that should be I also don't think they should ever be released back into society EVER.Unfortunately we will never eradicate the world of these tpyes of people because they just make themselves less visable to avoid detection.All the while they continue what it is they do.Only one that can effectively handle this is God!
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14. July 2004 @ 00:52 |
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Well im not much of a believer unfortunately! It does anger me that kiddie porn somehow is just allowed to appear online. I cant stand the fact that these people think that they can just use it as a safe ground for what they do! I hope its completely taken off the net, it doesnt belong here!
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14. July 2004 @ 10:50 |
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I think i went a little over the top with P2P as peronally it does not bother me either way.Obviously i do not want people to miss out on something like this if used correctly.I just want these creeps off the net
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14. July 2004 @ 10:54 |
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Dont we all man? but thats the problem, things like free speech can be great, but also can be used as a way to justify things. For example, on the VCDQ forum, an Admin, pHO, was using Google one night when one of his results ended out to be a sdite where pedophiles terll erach other about girls they like and other information. That to me is absolutely sick but with the whole free speech thing the way it is, it cant be taken off the net! Well, not yet anyways!
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ok, well heres the URL I posted earlier because I dont think enough people have read this
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/926810/posts
Now, heres some of the wrongs our society and our government has created....
I personaly know someone who was busted with Child Porn and will be serving 5 years in prison + he has to register as a sex offender( even though he never molested , or abused anyone)
now, another person I knew of was convicted of 3 counts of child molestation and 3 counts of sodomy with a child and only got a 3 year sentence.
So, you tell me... wheres the f**** Justice in this?
Our society has become so influenced by TV personalities like John Walsh, who tells everyone that people who view child porn are monsters ,slime , and all kinds of horrible things like that,so, most believe him just because he`s John Walsh.
What Mr. Walsh doesnt talk about are things that the Bible (our Higher Law) talks about..like..forgiveness, compassion, and tolerance.
He also fails to tell people that a very , very small portion of child porn is what people think it is,,brutality, masocist, satist, and violent. most of it is not like that at all, in fact a few people have been charged for taking pictures of thier kids bathing.
Its nothing but a god damn witch hunt, just like the Salem witch hunts we had in America back when our society had very little or no education, so, whats wrong with us today, its unwarranted mass hysteria.
Heres another fact...the FBI isnt heading this operation Immigration and Customs Enforcement is and they have made over 3,200 arrests since July of 2003.Can any of you imagine the costs of this operation and the costs of the trials and how much it will cost to incarcerate that many people...and heres another thing to consider.....
these people have been branded as being pedophiles and will have this to carry with them for ever!! Hell, even MacDonald`s do background checks now days and if someone convicted of having and viewing pictures of what most people consider to be objectional and obscene on thier computers isnt even good enough to sling french fries what are they supposed to do??
Well i can guess what they will do, become even more socially exiled and this will also burden the Tax paying people of this country, so, you tell me...who wins in cases like this? Its not the assholes screaming "Lock `em Up & throw away the key"!!! Its the tax payers.
All of this is something everyone should consider when they persecute anyone without know any facts about this at all!!
Did any of you know that Child Porn was legal until 1979? you could walk into smoke shops and places like that and buy Child Porn magazines...Heres another fact for all of you witch hunters, while it was legal, the actual amount of children being molested was much lower than it is today!
Ask yourself, is this Justice when someone is sentenced to a longer prison term who meerly looks at objectionl material than the creeps that make it, Be honest, I think you will see my point.
One other thing, I realize that its a natural human condition to fear or even hate what you dont understand , so educate yourselves before you judge others and try to practice common values that our bible talks about after all no one wins with Child Porn..No One!!!!
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Firstly id like to just say I am well educated! And yes we went over these matters when i weas studying and had many debates related to it.
There are some parts of what you are sayiing I agree with and some parts that I dont.
Firstly I will go with what I dont agree with.
You say that molesting a childs is not as serious an offense as viewing child porn. Now it mauy not be as serious but look at it in another light. If this child is young enough, they would not have the mental capacity to consent pictures being taken of them and distributed! Im talking about pictures of kids performing or being involved in sexual acts. I know the differences u mention, like for example, nudist resorts and nusist/naturist ways of life exist! Different places have different cultures so we have to account for them all before anybody can say something about it!
You mentioned child porn being Legal till the late 70's and the fact that child molestation numbers went down. Come on now, think about it. Pictures of kids in a magazine performing sex acts or whatever they had in them is just downright wrong, it is exploting a child who doesnt have the mental capacity to consent to it. I'm not a dad, but i swear if i ever caught man or woman trying to do the same with my children, id have my child leave the room and id kill that person on the spot! why u might ask? Well ill give you an answer, I know someone who went through molestation as a child and that person has never gotten over it. That person still dreams about it happening and wakes up screaming over it. It destroyed this persons childhood and is doing a very good at destroying this persons life. It has made him/her (i wont even say if its a man or woman, ill keep it that anonymous for him/her) attempt suicide at even the age of 12! Oh but his/her molester is dead and why? because HE was caught and he didnt want to face the consequences of his action so he killed himself! Now is that right?? And would it be right if there was pictures of my friend that young floating around a P2P network of this happening? No it wouldnt and you know it!
Now you might make the arguments to me that ART and NUDISM is harmless and for the most part, yes it is! Most familys take pictures of their children naked for photo albums, i know there are pictures of me as a kid naked in the family photo albums. But as far as i know, nudism etc websites exist to advertise resorts and generally the way of life, why arent they being taken down? Because they dont have explicit materials but on P2P if u make a search with the right keywords u would nearly throw up at what the names and descriptions of some of these files are, it is pure sick! Now a picture of 4 kids playing a game on a nudism site may be harmless, but when on P2P they have the photo being shared with the description "Preteen Child Porn" they are exploting the kids in this photo, and who would download it? if u were looking for nudism that would disgust you to see it described as that! I read a report on Child Porn on P2P and Newsgroups before and in all the downloads the authorities made, 90% of it was explicit content! So yes this action P2P trading is right!
Now back to what you said earlier, It is wrong that the second person u mentioned got a shorter term for sure, I agree with you completely with that, but that doesnt make me believe the first person should not have went to jail!
Anyways that's my opinion, im not under educated, i was on a debating team for a while and when this subject came up, trust me, my team won!
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so, does anyone have any real ideas on how I can help stop this? because, in my opinion, curiosity can lead to much worse, especially for those with weaker minds than ours. I, once, had dl'ed the first thirty secs of one a long time ago, previewd it, simply because I couldn't belive the shit was real. Lo and behold, some poor little girl in some nasty ass third world counrty trailer is sitting on the couch and I understood then that the shit was for real, didn't even have to see her naked or anything to understand, these sickos probably fund these guys to go to other countries and take advantage of their disadvantaged young, hell, wouldn't be surprised to see some fathers rent their kids out for just this purpose. Some of us just don't understand how good we have it (I live in the U.S., where just about anyone that can apply theirself can succeed) I don't know, this is just an opinion, hope not to offend but to enlighten rather, by the way this was a file of winmx like 2 yrs ago, and I remember "Ray Gold style" being in the title, as well as about 20-30 other files, as a result of a search for keyword "porn" go figure. This needs to be stopped immediately and I would certainly be able to hit a "button" everytime I seen one, if I thought it would be investigated by the fbi. Innocence should be prized above everything else, especially where our children are concerned. If I had to give up p2p to save ONE CHILD from being sexually abused, I would do it and no, I have never been nor know anyone who has been abused. What's right is right.
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18. July 2004 @ 05:58 |
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"dela" this whole discussion is not an insult directed to you and I never did focus on you or say that you were uneducated either, im sorry if you took it that way, please excuse me if i said anything that made you even think that.
I think that maybe I did not come across correctly, I do NOT think that child porn should be legal,but to sentence someone more harshly for porn than the actual molesters themsleves defies all logic and sense of fair play and more importantly JUSTICE! Dont you?
Anyway, on to your comment about the "so called" victims of child porn well, I was molested and I too was the "victim" of a pornographer at the age of 15 and yes I did know what I was doing and yes , He did get caught , and NO i do not think he deserved Prison (he needed help). Maybe a lengthy stay in a mental facility 1st and then if he did it again then Prison.
I do not hate the man, never did! Here we go again, He was convicted at the "State" level and recieved a 6 year sentence, with federal guidleines it would have been aroun 25 to 30. Can you honestly say that people dont deserve a 2nd chance? I know the recidivism rate for peodphiles is around 67% but heres the thing...what about the other 33% and most of all the ones who never did anything , physcially, to anyone, do they deserve no 2nd chance and no opportunity at helping themselves out with guidance??And to be branded as pedophiles persecuted and burned at the stake?Lets be 4 real now...
If you say yes to this i feel this just goes to show you what my point is exactly, our society has completely lost all sense of many of the vaules our grandparents tried to put into each and everyone of us, back to the bible stuff and the golden rules and such. And once again it doesnt help people whe we have people on TV out there preaching anthing but the exact opposite of these values.
Just to get this right, child porn is wrong, and must be deat with but to drop atomic bombs when youre meerly swaating at flies is not the way to do it!
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18. July 2004 @ 10:28 |
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Oh i never said it was a direct attack at me or anything I was just making sure u knew that i did know my stuff before I replied and yes the law is in a severely bad state! However, you're probably talking on behalf of the U.S. wheras I'm in Ireland here. You are making many references to the bible but I'm not a believer, i have seen no evidence of god or anything spiritual in my life.
But back to the point. I don't like the way you say the "so called" victims of child porn. Nobody on this planet should have pictures of themselves in the hands of others if they dont want to! And my friend is not a "so called" victim, my friend is a VICTIM. When I found my friend half dead i realised this, when i spoke to my friend and found out that my friend cant even have sex, one of lifes most important things because of the memories. And the man responsible for this, I would give him NO second chance if he was alive and I met him!
I don't think you understand, we're talking about kids here for gods sake. They are not adults! If you believe in God, then you believe in forgiveness BUT you have to accept the fact that this isnt acceptable in God's eyes either. I dont have kids because I'm still young but there are a lot of kids around me and they are not objects for people to use, they are kids, i dont understand how to put it into words any more than that. It's just liek rapists for me, I despise rapists and would find it amazingly hard to forgive one for their evil crimes!
I will agree with you that people who are charged with possession of child porn should not get as much time in jail as someone who actually abuses children, but in the case of P2P, these people are sharers, distributers so they deserve a good penalty for their actions! They have to accept it, they are quite simply breaking the law. If i went and robben an off license and was caught, I'd accept I was going to Jail for what I have done. What I fear is that a very disturbed individual who is a danger to kids could use "It's a Problem" as an excuse, but I do know that in some cases it really is a problem. People who have experienced abuse in their childhood could grow up to mentally find it acceptable and it's not their fault. But the system doesn't know each case man, so they have to abide by the lawe because with the system and the law there is nothing but chaos! I can understand to a degree what you are saying, but trying to say "so called" victims really pisses me off, you visit my friend and see. Its one of my main prioritys in life to get my friend back man, and i will some day, but what annoys me is i shudnt have to, my friend should already be living life to the fullest! And as for your case, remember, different people respond to different things in different ways!
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I do not remeber what news article I read I wish I could remember it) So I could direct you to it. There was a group of doctors that did a 2 year study with criminals "all kinds" of criminals not just pedophiles and this study revealed an interesting point. Something that maybe everyone should consider before we start condemning people.....The study revealed that in countries that had lowered penalties for certian crimes the actual amount of the crimes decreased and became less extreme in nature. Think about this...(Im very sorry your friend was hurt..I truely am) but, I know what this individual was thinking...Im going to be put in jail for a long long time ,so, I must destroy the evidence, that happened to be your friend. Do you think that maybe, just maybe he may have spared her some of the brutality if he knew that his punishment would be much much less? I truely think your answer would be "Yes". I do not condone violence or the abuse of anyone but if all of the governments around the world would approach thier laws with much more common sense crime would drastically be reduced. I am not blaming the Govt`s around the world either because most of them follow the proverbial "Mob Rules"..the majority, not sensible approaches dictate the laws...and in the USA its worse than anywhere else on earth. Our Govt is so fucked up its beyond sensible, its down right primitive and brutal. anyway..no one wins with crime, the leaders aroundthe world should try a more sensible approach and thats true more than ever here in the USA right now.
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I personally support vigilantism. If the court system doesn't work, sometimes its the only way. I'd say 85% of cases I hear about I don't think are handled properly. I don't condone drug use, but I hear about people with a 1/4 ounce of weed on them getting a year and being called a drug dealer, and manslaughter and attempted murder cases get months. Some people can't stand to see murderers walking until the trial. I think vigilanties should get charged with the crime they commit, but automatically get half the sentence given. (Then again, judges will just start throwing out double sentences). Actually, someone said we begin to get uncivilized when we take the law into our own hands, I disagree, in the early days of our country, their was no police force, and most problems were solved quickly and efficently. However, as we all know, that does just give some people an excuse to kill people they don't like or are just suspicious of.
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lazygig, vivgilantism doesnt give people "due process" and they dont protect our civil rights or the amendments ...HA... come to think of it neither does the federal courts either. In fact the amendments staring with # 1 which state that american shall have preedom of speech and expression and heres the kicker it also says that no law shall ever be passed to breech those rights, well, they did make new laws that did breech them. 1 Child porn and 2ndly no one is allow by law to be agry and tell someone "im gunna kill you"! Ok, Im am a believer in absolutes when it comes to written laws so how the hell can the senators become so powerful to be able to re-write a law that our people have had as a sacred value in our country...lol.. they are just empty words and sound nice but the meaning is worthless just like alot of the idiots we vote in as president.Look at whats happening right now, we cannot vote on which candidate will do the best for us , instead we have to choose which is the worser of the 2 evils.
As far as your comment about drugs and drug abuse heres an interesting fact for you to consider. In the last 6 months or so America has had 4 Federal Court Judges resign because even they agree that our so called "Justice System" is unfair and they dont want to be part of any system that says EVERYONE deserves to go to jail if they make mistakes. What...I ask What does that say about our government and to be more direct Congress, our Senators, and the President?Congress just recently sent and was signed off by Bush a bill that denies Federal Judges the ability to depart from thier sentencing guidlines for drug cases, gun cases , and sex cases. If the Judges do all hell breaks loose and Ashcroft gets involved with the shredding of the Judges integrity. So "Dela" be thankful you are in Ireland and not in the so-called "land of the Free" because its not free.
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How many FBI agents do you figure jerk off to kiddy porn when no one is watching? I would say most of them,what do you think?
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well stasha,
Since last july there have been several cops, agents, prosecutors, judges and government official busted for child porn! Hmm I wonder if they think it should be more severe as far as punishments go than say many other crimes?
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>>QUOTE!<<<!Since last july there have been several cops, agents, prosecutors, judges and government official busted for child porn! Hmm I wonder if they think it should be more severe as far as punishments go than say many other crimes?
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You also forgot to mention the very people that these laws are supposedly designed to protect...""""CHILDREN""""....there have been quite a few cases where children as young as 10-12 (I believe) have been victims of this witch-hunt. I mean..ok..they were caught downloading childporn, although Im not sure of exactly what they had on their computers and I'll probably never know..but I can only assume that they were images of children not much older or younger than themselves in sexual situations maybe? or just nude? or at worst being seriously abused by some male or female<<YES..females are just as capable. People go on about how children cannot be held responsible for their actions for being so young..or are not old enough to understand this and that about sex or make sexual decisions etc..so why do they get put on the sex offenders register, and have it spread all over the media when it happenens and probably punished in one way or the other and labelled a paedophile for the rest of thier lives when their only real crime was to explore their own natural sexual curiosities which were definately normal and natural for their age..jeez..we were all kids once.....it makes me angry really..its not only paedo's who are a danger to children..its societies attitude as a whole who are the biggest fucker-uppers of childrens lives..imo
I do have pretty strong feelings on this subject myself most are in agreement with Nunya1.
Someone mentioned about the FBI and the like, having some sort of internal watchdog, and I couldn't agree with that idea more. I've always questioned why the authorities are so concerned with the people who merely look for childporn and not the perpertrators of the actual crimes that have been commited within those images (i'm not saying that they dont..it just seems that the focus is more in the people seeking the stuff).... when a computer is seized someone has to scan through the images for evidence and whos to say that the people who scan for evidence aren't just as guilty in their sexual feelings as the person who's computer they seized? Where humans and morality are concerned..I trust no man and no woman because in my experience in all my 38 years, the one whos always been quick to 'cast the first stone' or had the biggest mouth etc, has nearly always been the one with the most to hide and this was further proven to me recently when a pub landlord in my local area was convicted of childporn on his computer during this "project ore"?? (not sure if thats what its called) investigation. I knew the guy but not too well but he was definately the "paedophiles should have their balls chopped off" type of guy. Anyone can say how much they hate childporn or what they would do to paedo's etc...but no one actually knows whats going on in anyones mind..no one knows peoples true thoughts.
Oh yea..the "rotten" site that was mentioned by Nunya1...theres another one which I'm not going to advertise. One thing about these sites...if a picture is posted of a naked child of say 6-13 maybe, male or female..just naked..nothing else..you always get the cries of "child porn...kill kill kill"...etc BUT...and I've seen this quite a few times...if they show a picture of a dead naked child then the threads go the opposite way.."wow great post..thanks...well done"...etc etc....hmmm!!
Hypocrisy at its finest..what more can I say??
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mart mart....
This whole internet control thing that alot of governments have began to undertake is all just a bunch of shit. I can tell you 1 man who has pushed for 20 some years here in america to get this witch hunt going and has even gotten acceptance into our congress` eye and isnt even a fucking politician ..his name is JOHN WALSH. He is not totally to blame because here in the US society believes anthing and almost everything they see on TV is what is real to them and when you have some prick on TV running around telling everyone that even people who look at child porn is a molester a pedophile or a god damn monster they believe it.Society is to blame, we elect our officials and we allow them to peruse frivilous shit like CP and we allow them to go way way over board with punishments for it and not enough people have the guts or balls if you will to stand up and say this is wrong. So, what we get is a bunch or cowards and cowardess` who sit back and condemn people and they dont even know what the real truth is and so laws continue to get worse. NO ONE deserves to go to prison for looking at pictures of other peoples crime scenes...and that if you look honestly is the bottom fucking line and is the gist of it. I almost am to the point of wanting to move out of the land of the free ..the home of the brave and the manufacturer of this ignorant hysteria.
1 other thing as food 4 thought..the US Government has just started another internet operation...to prosecute online obscenity,,now what the fuck is this? Who the hell can say with is obscene...what I might consider as obscene may not be to you...this is becoming a total loss of common sense on the US Governments case...What the hell has happening here?
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