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Steve Jobs still hates Blu-ray
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article published on 30 June, 2010
In 2008, Apple CEO Steve Jobs made headlines when he called Blu-ray "a bag of hurt."
At the time, Jobs said: "Blu-ray is just a bag of hurt. It's great to watch the movies, but the licensing of the tech is so complex, we're waiting till things settle down and Blu-ray takes off in the marketplace."
Two years later, Blu-ray has become more mainstream, but Steve Jobs seems to have the ... [ read the full article ]
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1. July 2010 @ 00:07 |
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LOL...he is totally cracked! He can't seem to reason that someone might want to buy something; better to just rent it from iTunes...or watch it in even lower quality (and with advertising) from Hulu...assuming you want to watch anything on hulu, that is. Apparently he also thinks that everyone on earth has reliable, high speed internet, and they don't mind gumming it up to watch a low quality rip of a movie...and he also must think that people will actually pay for a crummy rip that can only be watched once, rather than just getting it from a torrent for free, and watching it whenever they want!
"Blu-ray is looking more and more like one of the high end audio formats that appeared as the successor to the CD - like it will be beaten by Internet downloadable formats"
-Those "successors to cds" were all still on CDs! That is why they failed...well, that and the fact that no one seems to care about audio quality...a fact proven by the huge sales of low quality iTunes tracks.
It is rather amazing what happens to a man when he is given power and praise for too long...Steve has far too many "yes men" around him. What Steve says is law for apple...and Steve only sees apple, so he has started to think that all he must do to make something happen is to declare it...but it does not work so well with the outside world...out here, we have been watching blurays for years, and they have won the war with HD-DVD...it is the new standard, and it is a lot better than anything else currently available. We can watch and burn with ease...and I am rather shocked that Steve is so isolated from reality that he has not even seen a bluray yet (if he had, he would know that 720p itunes rentals look like crap when put up against a 1080p bluray.) Then again, maybe he is just loosing his eyesight; that might explain why he can't see the yellow in iphone4 screens. To him, anything over 640x480 is just worthless resolution.
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1. July 2010 @ 00:51 |
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steve job is a F****ing idiot that makes no sense what so ever. Look at the difference between Cd, DVD and Blue ray you ****ing idiot. You and your dislike crap, there is a major difference between all that. It is okay steve, we all no u are a retard who can't do everything PERFECT like you think it is, the reception with the iphone? yea, thats sad, no flash, no battery removable, no nothing, no blueray, and just stick with dvd when blue ray now is taking over? i swear, why does crapple do so well....why can't they just see that they are so self center p.o.s
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1. July 2010 @ 01:44 |
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They do well because their followers tend to be mindless sheep who will buy anything.
I have been in forums for apple guys...it is downright insane what they are willing to buy. I was in one forum about a week before a "big announcement" from Apple. No details of what the device might be, just that there would be a new device, or service, or something. People were posting things like, "I don't care what it is, I want it!" and "I've got $1000, I hope that is enough to buy whatever it is"...I think it ended up being some kind of crummy dvr-wannabe that didn't work with cable...and it still sold well!
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1. July 2010 @ 04:55 |
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that dude just needs to get some p***y..get his head straight
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davidike
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1. July 2010 @ 05:48 |
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personally i will be over the moon once the hardware crippling Orwellian DRM forced on us all because of BluRay by the scum bag media companies have vanished forever, sony, disney, news corp (fox), etc.
these scum companies have a lot to answer for shafting the entire world and forcing everyone to upgrade their entire audio video hardware, even forcing ppl twice because of hdcp from the same arse hats!
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1. July 2010 @ 09:46 |
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Jobs does what he thinks is best - doesn't listen to customers.
Blu-Ray would be amazing on a Mac but because he likes to make everything HIS way then that idea is scrapped.
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biglo30
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1. July 2010 @ 10:08 |
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Steve jobs is just an anus...
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Interestx
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1. July 2010 @ 10:19 |
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The thing is....he's right.
Blu-ray film sales have grown but have not matched DVD's year on year doubling sales growth each year (and DVD did that for 4yrs straight).
They are indeed a niche high-end item - with some game console support tacked on.
It's also clear that PC Blu-ray optical drives and blank media is going nowhere.
Hard drives simply cannot be beaten for $/gb - and their reliability these days is excellent.
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1. July 2010 @ 10:28 |
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I'm tired of hearing apple news that company get too much attention and IMO its a very irrelevant organization. Apple has always done things in a messed up way that will NEVER change. Then the media and apple heads twists things to make it seems as if apple is the ultimate and they lead in every department.
Fact: iOS is not the most popular smart phone OS in the world its still symbian.
Fact: apple has not, cannot, will not, out sell Blackberry to be smart phone market leader.
Fact (not an opinion a true fact): Android(2.2) is NOW superior to iOS in every respect.
Fact: Android is the successor to the smart phone OS throne simply because Google were smart enough (like MS back in the day) to create an OS that other people can make money off of too and not hog the hardware and software sales (not doing that sunk Mac to the bottom of the pile where is still resides).
Fact: Applology is a cult headed by jobs with and evil agenda and the selfless worship at the shrine of Jobs.
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1. July 2010 @ 10:30 |
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Originally posted by Interestx:
The thing is....he's right.
Blu-ray film sales have grown but have not matched DVD's year on year doubling sales growth each year (and DVD did that for 4yrs straight).
They are indeed a niche high-end item - with some game console support tacked on.
It's also clear that PC Blu-ray optical drives and blank media is going nowhere.
Hard drives simply cannot be beaten for $/gb - and their reliability these days is excellent.
For enthusiasts like myself, Blu-Ray is great. Truth is most people aren't educated enough about HD. There are HD sets out there, but even in restaurants and bars, they are showing SD content stretched/panned and people that know no better say "look at that picture". Bwah. The cable companies are no better either, and face it, some people are too cheap or unknowledgeable to connect their HD set top box to their HDTV via the correct HDMI or component video cables.
It's ignorance that has stagnated the Blu movement. With DVD, just plug in the box and we don't have to rewind tapes! Amazing, let's all get one! That was the mentality; little or no effort for the upgrade, plus great benefits. I'm sure many with DVD players still don't get the full potential use out of them!
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1. July 2010 @ 11:58 |
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^^^^
So true... I know people stream on-line contents on HDTVs, but man, that's like driving a car to your neighbor's house (not that you can't).
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1. July 2010 @ 13:11 |
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someone needs to take his kool aid away hes not living in the real world anymore.
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1. July 2010 @ 13:50 |
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My wife bought me a new plasma tv for last Christmas. First thing I did was go out and buy an HDMI cable for my PS3. My old tv was 720p. Blu-Ray at 1080p was a huge difference! Steve is an idiot.
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1. July 2010 @ 14:47 |
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Yet still jerks insist that graphics are still best on a Mac.
My point is that that was true in the 90s but now Macs play catch up. Note: There is no difference in the graphic hardware used. (I personally have a HD 5970 and I'm building a render workstation with a Quadro "professional" card.) The high-end graphics programs are cross platform. I guess if I wanted to pay twice as much for half as much power...
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Interestx
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1. July 2010 @ 15:04 |
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People can slam Apple & Jobs all they like but it remains true that apple and 'i' anything has a massive market to itself and huge influence.
It looks like Apple's just said no to Blu-ray and, like Microsoft, will concentrate on downloads and streaming.
That is the real world.
I'm not bothered.
I've seen great Blu-ray and I've seen so-so Blu-ray.
Just like I've seen great broadcast HD TV and so-so HD TV.
It's certainly not all ' jaw dropping stuff'.
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1. July 2010 @ 15:09 |
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Jobs is use to stealing technology or others ideas so paying for a Blu-Ray license isn't in the cards as far as he is concerned. This is why Blu-Ray is so complicated, not because it is a bad format, it isn't of course.
It's now wonder that DVD has still got the market share over BD, as BD is still too new. Everyone has a DVD player and has had it for some time, rentals at RedBox are $1, so it is a no brainer. Even if you have a BD player your still going to rent DVD's as well. The margin continues to close, but it won't be long and DVD's will be like VHS. Wait a minute you can still buy VHS combo players so what does that say? VHS is still around. I have friend that still use it, hard to believe but true. Ten years ago I couldn?t whatch a VHS if you paid me but some think it is OK still. My cousins wife says she can't tell the difference between SD and HD but then it suits her as she is cheap and doesn't want to pay for HD service.
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1. July 2010 @ 15:41 |
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Originally posted by Interestx:
I've seen great Blu-ray and I've seen so-so Blu-ray.
Just like I've seen great broadcast HD TV and so-so HD TV.
It's certainly not all ' jaw dropping stuff'.
You're right. I bought a full HDTV and Blu-Ray player in December, with mixed results in the movies I've purchased. The best looking HD movies by far are movies like Ice Age, Up!, Wall-E, and so on. New movies such as Transformers 2 look great too, but you take older movies like Rambo and Resevior Dogs, and they look like DVD quality. I've yet to see a Blu-Ray movie with actual actors, not CG characters, blow me away.
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1. July 2010 @ 15:47 |
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I'm not with Steve Jobs but i read that movie downloads is beating blueRay movies. Netflix said that XB360 is a mine of gold.
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1. July 2010 @ 17:03 |
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well he doesn't own a physical standard format does he, but he does digital distribution, so his comments are predictable.
oh and steve your quicktime aint all that my friend.... if anything people avoid it (which is made hard by good old free thinking ste who hates monopolies in software like ... i donno adobe)
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1. July 2010 @ 18:35 |
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ok. cool. he dont like blu-ray...f### em, then. so the point is that MS is still king of kings and you APPLE ar CRAPPLE SHEEPLE WARE...GO steal some more ideas...cough...oh yeah bill did that to...who cares, we all borrow ideas, everything is open source...well might as well be..!!!! ! !
i have a NOOBiE question. Can you buy an external BLU-RAY disc drive for a macintosh computer? i honestly don't know the answer to that question! mostly because its been many years since i used an apple computer and or/ product...since 2003 was the last time for me..
go make an expansion pack for apple! haha for blu-ray! :D (if if alrady don't have)
...and peace-out but, the thing is that if you haven't seen a movie called LEON THE PROFESSIONAL in 1080p on a kick-ass high end tv...you're missing out. and fyi thats not an animation-based movie at all! so there is at least 1 good hi-def real movie ;)
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1. July 2010 @ 20:37 |
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Most likely steave is just playing with sony. They dont want to pay those high license fees to sony so they are waiting that prize to go down. As for steves comment, NO i don't want to "steam" my hd movies. if they are like 20-10g like blu-ray movies are then that would mean long buffer times. Getting 20-10 gb in 1-2hour would require fairly good connection, that most ppl dont have.
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snardos
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1. July 2010 @ 22:02 |
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Maybe someone should tell Steve that Internet quality and bandwidth caps are getting worse, not better. In a couple years, no-one will be able to afford a movie download because the overages are going to be insane. Mailing Blu-rays is the future of media distribution!
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2. July 2010 @ 01:36 |
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Originally posted by Interestx:
The thing is....he's right.
Blu-ray film sales have grown but have not matched DVD's year on year doubling sales growth each year (and DVD did that for 4yrs straight).
They are indeed a niche high-end item - with some game console support tacked on.
It's also clear that PC Blu-ray optical drives and blank media is going nowhere.
Hard drives simply cannot be beaten for $/gb - and their reliability these days is excellent.
I think it's a bit early to make a comparison. I don't believe that it's an apples to apples argument.
For starters, I've noticed that non-new release DVD prices are being cut significantly while new releases are still hovering around the $20 mark. Most likely those with extended feature, double discs etc;
The flip-side to that argument is that it's possible to pickup movies recently released in the Blu-Ray format for around $15; new releases still average $25-$20.
As for Blu-Ray media costs, it can be bought for around $2 per disc online: http://www.amazon.com/b?ie=UTF8&node=668575011
The transitioning from one media to another has almost certainly followed the same pattern of adoption as earlier technologies (CD-R & DVD). Introduction with hardware and media prices is initially very high yet eventually falls inline with the current price range of the media it is proposed to replace.
If your old enough, maybe you recall when CD writing capabilities came to the PC world (Circa 1993?)? The media averaged no less than $5 per disc initially.
Though DVD writers are fairly inexpensive to warrant being standard issue today; it's the same story when they initially hit the market for consumers. I recall the first DVD Writer i owned; a SONY external drive w/USB & Firewire which ran close to $400; the media costs were a whallop to the wallet too. I don't believe that to be the case presently.
Anywhooo... just my two cents worth.
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2. July 2010 @ 04:06 |
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Originally posted by davidike:
personally i will be over the moon once the hardware crippling Orwellian DRM forced on us all because of BluRay by the scum bag media companies have vanished forever, sony, disney, news corp (fox), etc.
Agreed; I hate DRM...that is why I love blurays...it is easy to remove the DRM; unlike Apple formats...
Originally posted by oappi:
Most likely steave is just playing with sony. They dont want to pay those high license fees to sony so they are waiting that prize to go down. As for steves comment, NO i don't want to "steam" my hd movies. if they are like 20-10g like blu-ray movies are then that would mean long buffer times. Getting 20-10 gb in 1-2hour would require fairly good connection, that most ppl dont have.
Sony does not own bluray; no licensing fees are paid to Sony. They were one of the several companies involved in the creation of bluray, and the PS3 has done more for bluray than all other players combined, but Sony does not own BluRay.
Originally posted by 6Ripper9:
You're right. I bought a full HDTV and Blu-Ray player in December, with mixed results in the movies I've purchased. The best looking HD movies by far are movies like Ice Age, Up!, Wall-E, and so on. New movies such as Transformers 2 look great too, but you take older movies like Rambo and Resevior Dogs, and they look like DVD quality. I've yet to see a Blu-Ray movie with actual actors, not CG characters, blow me away.
Have you seen the new star trek movie? The opening fight scene looks like a war between globs of pixels on a DVD; it looks like it should on bluray. Yes, the actors themselves look no better (in fact, the higher detail often makes them look worse), but there is more to a movie than the actors; a fact proven by the high sales of movies with terrible actors.
Originally posted by Interestx:
It's also clear that PC Blu-ray optical drives and blank media is going nowhere.
Hard drives simply cannot be beaten for $/gb - and their reliability these days is excellent.
The problem with that is that it is only larger hard drives that fit that description...a 50GB hard drive will cost more than a 50GB bluray, and it would be more fragile too. Therefor, hard drives are useless for content distribution.
Downloads are great in theory, but that is a very dangerous game. Once people realize that their internet connection is fast enough to download movies (assuming it is), and they are forced to download movies anyway, then why bother paying for them?
Mr Jobs can just keep living in his Ivory tower; I am sure that the apple zombies will keep him fed with baby seal brain for as long as he lives. The rest of us will use Android, and laugh at the fools. Even once we all do go to download-only movies, we will still be laughing at the Apple guys...by then Steve will have made another hundred insane blunders; at the rate he is going, it won't be long before Apple releases an iPhone that does not work with any network. He will justify it by saying, "All the current networks are bad; this phone is only compatible with networks from the future!" It might sound like a stretch, but let us remember that Steve is the guy who does not want Flash because HTML5 is better, and it should be dominant sometime in the next decade; assuming Adobe makes no improvements...and they will!
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2. July 2010 @ 12:49 |
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True BD has not taken the market like everyone says. Look at some of the studios now, with every BD movie you get a DVD copy with it. have seen lots of so-so DB movies and was not impressed.
go back to the Beta VHS movement, Beta was the far better format but everyone said get a VHS and we can tape with our machines, not knowing about copyright protections.you could tape Beta to VHS and back. It was the mentality.
same thing here DVD HD was a better format but to slow, just as Beta was.
who will pay $20 for a BD blank media. and that is cheap, I have seen them way more than that.
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