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BurnB
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26. August 2010 @ 07:11 |
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I know this topic has been rehashed over and over, so bare with me...
I've been doing plenty of research, and although 95% of Xbox 360 game copying "solutions" are fluff or scams, I still come to one important conclusion;
IF XBOX 360 GAMES CAN BE CREATED IN THE FIRST PLACE IT MUST BE POSSIBLE TO DUPLICATE THEM AND PLAY THEM WITHOUT MODDING YOUR XBOX
It can't be as protected as money can it?
Hopefully, someone can clarify some things, as I've naturally heard all kinds of things;
- That there is a way to decrypt and burn games emulating the original game disc (essentially a perfect copy as far as the console is concerned) and then playing it without a modded Xbox
- That you can make perfect copies, but the way the disc is created is still detectable and you would need to flash/mod your Xbox
Now, what I'm wondering is if it's only the case of how the disc is created, then it stands to reason that someone, somewhere has the HARDWARE to create the disc properly.
I'm looking for an expert to tell me the possibilities or explain to me why it's not possible to play a duplicated game without a modded Xbox even though it's possible to copy any Software, CD, DVD or BluRay, but not games... that the millions of dollars movie studios pay to protect their DVD's just isn't as good as the millions of dollars Microsoft spends to protect their games, that the combination of encrypted games and the necessity to use one proprietary piece of hardware (Xbox 360), that the protection is simply unbeatable without going to the hardware level.
Thanks
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26. August 2010 @ 07:24 |
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Main problem is that there is a area on the 360 pressed disk that DVD writers cannot wrote to. If someone had the facility to press disks, then I guess it would be possible. I think that would cost thousands of £ though.
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26. August 2010 @ 08:24 |
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exactly as mike stated, the SS, DMI, PFI are located in areas that normal dvd writers cannot gain access to, so the modified firmware tells the drive to look elsewhere for it.
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26. August 2010 @ 11:02 |
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Yes, that's an image of a Xbox game, but it's the same on the 360 discs.
The bca (burst cutting area) can be read, but it can not be burnt to on any burnable media. See that little "bar code". That contains the data that must be read to verify it as being an original game.
Because burnable media can not be burnt there, that data contained within is relocated to a different, specific sector (burnable area) on a backup disc.
How the hacked firmware works is it'll first try reading the data from the bca and if it's not there it'll then go to the specific location and see if the data is there. And doing so tricks the 360 in to believing that it is an original disc.
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To answer your question, yes it is possible to make a perfect back. But to do so you'd need a press. See, original games are not "burnt"; they are molded in a press from a template made of glass.
So to make a perfect backup, you would need the same equipment and follow the same process as the manufacturers do.
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26. August 2010 @ 11:40 |
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anybody got the eyes on the equipment for these disks and the full process? Just kinda want to know how much all this stuff would cost ya know shits a giggles sake.
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26. August 2010 @ 15:13 |
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So expensive that Chinese counterfeiters, who make knock-offs of EVERYTHING, don't even make counterfeit games using a press :)
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BC99
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26. August 2010 @ 18:00 |
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Originally posted by BurnB:
I know this topic has been rehashed over and over, so bare with me...
I've been doing plenty of research, and although 95% of Xbox 360 game copying "solutions" are fluff or scams, I still come to one important conclusion;
IF XBOX 360 GAMES CAN BE CREATED IN THE FIRST PLACE IT MUST BE POSSIBLE TO DUPLICATE THEM AND PLAY THEM WITHOUT MODDING YOUR XBOX
It can't be as protected as money can it?
Hopefully, someone can clarify some things, as I've naturally heard all kinds of things;
- That there is a way to decrypt and burn games emulating the original game disc (essentially a perfect copy as far as the console is concerned) and then playing it without a modded Xbox
- That you can make perfect copies, but the way the disc is created is still detectable and you would need to flash/mod your Xbox
Now, what I'm wondering is if it's only the case of how the disc is created, then it stands to reason that someone, somewhere has the HARDWARE to create the disc properly.
I'm looking for an expert to tell me the possibilities or explain to me why it's not possible to play a duplicated game without a modded Xbox even though it's possible to copy any Software, CD, DVD or BluRay, but not games... that the millions of dollars movie studios pay to protect their DVD's just isn't as good as the millions of dollars Microsoft spends to protect their games, that the combination of encrypted games and the necessity to use one proprietary piece of hardware (Xbox 360), that the protection is simply unbeatable without going to the hardware level.
Thanks
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26. August 2010 @ 19:43 |
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It will be interesting to see what happens in the future when consoles won't use disks and there will be complete digital distribution of games. This probably won't happen until the gen after next but when it does, hacking will be extremely difficult. Look how long it took to hack the PS3. Future consoles may well be unhackable. So best to enjoy it while it lasts.
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BurnB
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27. August 2010 @ 17:09 |
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@bhetrick - Excellent, excellent answer. That's precisely what I needed to hear (and see) to get this out of my head, thanks :).
@BC99 - Your reply isn't a fail, it's semi-retarded. How many other cultural fads, phrases and ridiculousness do you participate in sheep; bahahahahahaaaa (in case you're not intelligent enough to figure it out, that is a sheep and not laughing)
Thanks to everyone else who actually answered helpfully and intelligently.
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28. August 2010 @ 10:58 |
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Originally posted by bhetrick:
So expensive that Chinese counterfeiters, who make knock-offs of EVERYTHING, don't even make counterfeit games using a press :)
would you be willing to give a nice price range?
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BC99
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28. August 2010 @ 13:50 |
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Originally posted by BurnB:
@bhetrick - Excellent, excellent answer. That's precisely what I needed to hear (and see) to get this out of my head, thanks :).
@BC99 - Your reply isn't a fail, it's semi-retarded. How many other cultural fads, phrases and ridiculousness do you participate in sheep; bahahahahahaaaa (in case you're not intelligent enough to figure it out, that is a sheep and not laughing)
Thanks to everyone else who actually answered helpfully and intelligently.
Thanks for that, you asked an insanely idiotic question which you said yourself had been discussed lots of times, and then you said you had done lots of research on the subject matter. If you had just asked 'why is it impossible to 1 to 1 copy a XDVD disc' I would have told you.
But you posed the question like no one had ever thought of doing this before, not even the legendary hackers who worked on the firmware hack.
For that reason, you are an extremely retarded waste of space and I look forward to your future threads such as 'why can't we JTAG a PS3' or 'how do I flash my toaster to play backupz' and various other inane shit.
A DVD fab plant costs in the 100m $ range BTW
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28. August 2010 @ 13:54 |
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Originally posted by BC99:
Originally posted by BurnB:
@bhetrick - Excellent, excellent answer. That's precisely what I needed to hear (and see) to get this out of my head, thanks :).
@BC99 - Your reply isn't a fail, it's semi-retarded. How many other cultural fads, phrases and ridiculousness do you participate in sheep; bahahahahahaaaa (in case you're not intelligent enough to figure it out, that is a sheep and not laughing)
Thanks to everyone else who actually answered helpfully and intelligently.
Thanks for that, you asked an insanely idiotic question which you said yourself had been discussed lots of times, and then you said you had done lots of research on the subject matter. If you had just asked 'why is it impossible to 1 to 1 copy a XDVD disc' I would have told you.
But you posed the question like no one had ever thought of doing this before, not even the legendary hackers who worked on the firmware hack.
For that reason, you are an extremely retarded waste of space and I look forward to your future threads such as 'why can't we JTAG a PS3' or 'how do I flash my toaster to play backupz' and various other inane shit.
A DVD fab plant costs in the 100m $ range BTW
that is a whole plant though i talking like a garage version one disk production at a time ya know.
I got one to add....
how can i make my computer play psp games using my dvd remote from my blueray player is the controller and the microwave as the sensor bar for life-like play?
Mods are like games.....GO BIG OR GO HOME!!
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28. August 2010 @ 14:03 |
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Originally posted by Demon323:
Originally posted by BC99:
Originally posted by BurnB:
@bhetrick - Excellent, excellent answer. That's precisely what I needed to hear (and see) to get this out of my head, thanks :).
@BC99 - Your reply isn't a fail, it's semi-retarded. How many other cultural fads, phrases and ridiculousness do you participate in sheep; bahahahahahaaaa (in case you're not intelligent enough to figure it out, that is a sheep and not laughing)
Thanks to everyone else who actually answered helpfully and intelligently.
Thanks for that, you asked an insanely idiotic question which you said yourself had been discussed lots of times, and then you said you had done lots of research on the subject matter. If you had just asked 'why is it impossible to 1 to 1 copy a XDVD disc' I would have told you.
But you posed the question like no one had ever thought of doing this before, not even the legendary hackers who worked on the firmware hack.
For that reason, you are an extremely retarded waste of space and I look forward to your future threads such as 'why can't we JTAG a PS3' or 'how do I flash my toaster to play backupz' and various other inane shit.
A DVD fab plant costs in the 100m $ range BTW
that is a whole plant though i talking like a garage version one disk production at a time ya know.
I got one to add....
how can i make my computer play psp games using my dvd remote from my blueray player is the controller and the microwave as the sensor bar for life-like play?
You need to reverse the polarity at the mains whilst holding down ALT+F4 on your Amiga 99 and put the green-ray disc in upside down playing the secret track and whistling along with it.
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28. August 2010 @ 14:08 |
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Originally posted by BC99:
Originally posted by Demon323:
Originally posted by BC99:
Originally posted by BurnB:
@bhetrick - Excellent, excellent answer. That's precisely what I needed to hear (and see) to get this out of my head, thanks :).
@BC99 - Your reply isn't a fail, it's semi-retarded. How many other cultural fads, phrases and ridiculousness do you participate in sheep; bahahahahahaaaa (in case you're not intelligent enough to figure it out, that is a sheep and not laughing)
Thanks to everyone else who actually answered helpfully and intelligently.
Thanks for that, you asked an insanely idiotic question which you said yourself had been discussed lots of times, and then you said you had done lots of research on the subject matter. If you had just asked 'why is it impossible to 1 to 1 copy a XDVD disc' I would have told you.
But you posed the question like no one had ever thought of doing this before, not even the legendary hackers who worked on the firmware hack.
For that reason, you are an extremely retarded waste of space and I look forward to your future threads such as 'why can't we JTAG a PS3' or 'how do I flash my toaster to play backupz' and various other inane shit.
A DVD fab plant costs in the 100m $ range BTW
that is a whole plant though i talking like a garage version one disk production at a time ya know.
I got one to add....
how can i make my computer play psp games using my dvd remote from my blueray player is the controller and the microwave as the sensor bar for life-like play?
You need to reverse the polarity at the mains whilst holding down ALT+F4 on your Amiga 99 and put the green-ray disc in upside down playing the secret track and whistling along with it.
but the butter is stuck to the top what i do with that?
The PS3 was just hacked sucessfully within the past few days, JTAG style.
Mods are like games.....GO BIG OR GO HOME!!
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28. August 2010 @ 16:04 |
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No, it was not "jtag style".
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28. August 2010 @ 16:09 |
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Originally posted by bhetrick:
No, it was not "jtag style".
it is same idea. you load games to the HDD using the original disks only.
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28. August 2010 @ 17:52 |
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Originally posted by Demon323:
Originally posted by bhetrick:
No, it was not "jtag style".
it is same idea. you load games to the HDD using the original disks only.
heh no. JTAG is a port on many different types of PCBs (not just 360s and PS3s) used for debugging. It's a hardware hack. The PS3 hack is USB based software exploit
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BurnB
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29. August 2010 @ 22:14 |
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@BC99 - You're a cliche ignorant person, you expect that because you know something, everyone else should and clearly you have no tact. I looked around trying to find valuable information, but like I said kept ending up with scam after scam after bullshit after bullshit which have pretty much dominated the search keywords and keyphrases.
Once I got fed up with that, I came to afterdawn.com, which seems to be just about the most respected authoritative site on the subject, good choice because the answer bhetrick gave was very expert and concise, and is the best information on the subject I've gained.
Basically, you've thrown around a bunch of "offensive" (not offensive to me) words as retaliation, and yet you have no intelligent rebuttal, a better and more literal definition and example of "waste of space" would be you EVER having posted in this thread to begin with, when you had nothing helpful to say to ANYONE, and posted for the sole purpose of a rude, ego-boost which is an obvious false ego.
And now, although it's pretty obvious nothing more needs to be said from you, you'll attempt to say something profoundly intelligent or offensive to try to get one in on me for your ego-preservation. The only semi-respectable dignified thing you could do now is to be silent.
Again, thanks to everyone who was helpful and stayed on topic.
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