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Intel will sue you if you use HDCP 'Master Key'
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article published on 19 September, 2010
Intel has said this weekend that it will sue anyone who uses the HDCP "Master Key" that was recently leaked to the Web.
The crypto key can be used to break the HDCP tech that limits users from recording digital TV streams and Blu-ray discs.
The technology giant, which developed HDCP, says: "There are laws to protect both the intellectual property involved as well as the content that ... [ read the full article ]
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bankai987
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19. September 2010 @ 03:53 |
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Suing really scares people, yeah right. There will be a blu-ray ripping program in the next few months, and Intel bringing out the lawyers isn't going to do a thing about it.
Just take a hard look at the RIAA suing does nothing to deter copying or downloading. It only feeds the beast by pissing people off.
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domie
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19. September 2010 @ 05:19 |
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This HDCP tech defeats SlySoft's AnyDVD ? Even if it does, what are they going to do ? Knock on the door of every home in the world and ask them if they have an Intel PC and then ask them if they mind some stranger coming into their house and ripping it to pieces to discover whether or not they have used an HDCP Master Key ?
Next, initiate individual law suits in the country of the end consumer to sue them ?
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Tristan_2
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19. September 2010 @ 07:42 |
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I remember on Channel 9 Intel said they would only sue on this if People[like Pirates]used this for financial gain or similar,but now why anyone? Is the Industry this scared that either somebody from Intel possibly leaked it, or if a hacker discovered it? If Intel does sue everyone they'll just lose money then have a financial gain from it.
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domie
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19. September 2010 @ 07:46 |
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Having researched it now - they seem to be talking only about the ability to watch hdtv or blu-rays on non compliant monitors that don't have HDCP capacity built in. If that's the case, I don't see what the fuss is about - what's the point in watching a full HD video on a screen that is over 5 years old and not capable of reproducing a full HD picture anyway ?
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xtago
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19. September 2010 @ 08:07 |
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It's not like the RIAA.
Intel will sue to person who releases a way of using it.
It'd be very easy for intel or any major company to get the ID on a hacker, and hand them a subpoena to come into court, if they don't turn up then they get a jail sentence from the court without them there and end up with a warrant for their arrest.
Or they disappear like they were never around in the first place.
It's the same deal for the PS3jailbreak or iphone people just because you can jailbreak something doesn't mean you have any legal right to do so.
Why do you think Geohotz retired?
Do you really think, it was because he couldn't figure it out it'd be because you'd be sent an letter saying you'll be hauled into court and arse raped in jail for the rest of your life.
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19. September 2010 @ 10:10 |
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i dont get it, if they don't want us to use it they shouldn't come up with it in the first place.
Being nice always has its own consequences
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Mysttic
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19. September 2010 @ 10:24 |
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It's the same deal for the PS3jailbreak or iphone people just because you can jailbreak something doesn't mean you have any legal right to do so.
That all depends on the country you are in now, even in the States its legal, but only for your own personal self interest and not for release to the masses; and clearly not for the earning of a $.
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19. September 2010 @ 10:45 |
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I think they did it on purpose. Seriously, blu ray sales must be down. So they want to recoup their loses with the sell of blank blu ray media. It's conspired sabotage so they don't look stupid for giving away company secrets. People will flock to the stores to buy blank blu ray discs. Interest will be stirred up for blu ray that could also boost sales from non-pirate customers.
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19. September 2010 @ 12:06 |
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I think everyone should use it to spite them. They can't sue everyone, Can they?
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19. September 2010 @ 12:23 |
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Originally posted by bankai987:
Suing really scares people, yeah right. There will be a blu-ray ripping program in the next few months, and Intel bringing out the lawyers isn't going to do a thing about it.
There have been bluray ripping programs forever; this has nothing to do with ripping blurays, or piracy in general; there are other, cheaper ways of pirating stuff. This is just about restricting freedoms to honest users who don't pirate anything.
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SomeBozo
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19. September 2010 @ 13:01 |
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Originally posted by domie:
Having researched it now - they seem to be talking only about the ability to watch hdtv or blu-rays on non compliant monitors that don't have HDCP capacity built in. If that's the case, I don't see what the fuss is about - what's the point in watching a full HD video on a screen that is over 5 years old and not capable of reproducing a full HD picture anyway ?
For me it is all about companies wanting to always make a buck...? Some might call it build int obsolescence? Sure of these standard come out every 10 years (vhs, cd, dvd, blu ray...) and i think companies want you to 1.) Buy the movies you like on each format, and 2.) To really make more money and make sure you understand you are a slave to corporations want you to buy all new equipment, player, tv, AV gear...
For me this just exemplifies the greed of companies :)
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19. September 2010 @ 14:38 |
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I don't bother with Blu-ray movies nor would I. I watch my DVD movies on a upscale DVD player and it looks just fine. Besides, I figure not in the to distance future another medium to store movies will not be some type of optical disk. I also watch videos from my USB Flash memory device. Screw Intel, the RIAA, Corporate America, etc.
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19. September 2010 @ 14:58 |
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HDCP should be illegal, media must not be controlled in such a way....
Copyright infringement is nothing more than civil disobedience to a bad set of laws. Lets renegotiate them.
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19. September 2010 @ 15:19 |
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why is this needed anydvd breaks HDCP as Ive been watching HD-DVD and Blu-Rays on my non HDCP monitor for years via cyberlink
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Mysttic
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19. September 2010 @ 16:23 |
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I wonder if I could sue if someone farts in my house.. Say it damaged the integrity of my home and kept tears in my eyes.
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20. September 2010 @ 00:11 |
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I hope that the HDCP stripper boxes are easy to make...I am going to need at least two of them to justify reconnecting my cable.
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davidike
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20. September 2010 @ 07:09 |
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Originally posted by bankai987:
Suing really scares people, yeah right. There will be a blu-ray ripping program in the next few months, and Intel bringing out the lawyers isn't going to do a thing about it.
Just take a hard look at the RIAA suing does nothing to deter copying or downloading. It only feeds the beast by pissing people off.
the DRM protecting the blu-ray media was not really the issue, what was the issue that caused great concern is that the MPAA (Sony, Disney, Fox(News Corp), Warner) decided to block any none compliant hardware forcing everyone to upgrade to broken by DRM equipment, if you failed to do so you would simply not get a picture, this DRM can be changed at any point but would also render virtually all HDCP sources and screens in use now, useless in the future, forcing us all yet again to upgrade our hardware/media.
ASK YOURSELF WHY DO THE MPAA/RIAA BLOCK FORMAT SHIFTING?
https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Space_shifting
maybe because they want to repetitively sell us the same media over and over again, this is why formats are constantly changed and old formats blocked!
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Tristan_2
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20. September 2010 @ 08:05 |
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Originally posted by xtago:
It's the same deal for the PS3jailbreak or iphone people just because you can jailbreak something doesn't mean you have any legal right to do so.
On the contrary my friend, new DMCA rulings allow the use of Jailbreaking your Phone and ripping threw the DRM for DVDs for educational and Mash Making purposes, It also allowed the same for ripping threw the DRM for Video Games to a certain extent
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xtago
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20. September 2010 @ 15:39 |
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Originally posted by Mysttic:
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It's the same deal for the PS3jailbreak or iphone people just because you can jailbreak something doesn't mean you have any legal right to do so.
That all depends on the country you are in now, even in the States its legal, but only for your own personal self interest and not for release to the masses; and clearly not for the earning of a $.
Well you do know it'd be classed as reverse engineering and that isn't legal in the US.
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20. September 2010 @ 16:46 |
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Originally posted by xtago:
Originally posted by Mysttic:
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It's the same deal for the PS3jailbreak or iphone people just because you can jailbreak something doesn't mean you have any legal right to do so.
That all depends on the country you are in now, even in the States its legal, but only for your own personal self interest and not for release to the masses; and clearly not for the earning of a $.
Well you do know it'd be classed as reverse engineering and that isn't legal in the US.
Wow. No actually. It's perfectly legal to jailbreak your iphone here in the states.
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20. September 2010 @ 22:55 |
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Originally posted by Tristan_2:
Originally posted by xtago:
It's the same deal for the PS3jailbreak or iphone people just because you can jailbreak something doesn't mean you have any legal right to do so.
On the contrary my friend, new DMCA rulings allow the use of Jailbreaking your Phone and ripping threw the DRM for DVDs for educational and Mash Making purposes, It also allowed the same for ripping threw the DRM for Video Games to a certain extent
That is the thing about the DMCA...it was signed into action by a bunch of people who would not have known what it said had they bothered to read it. There are so many exemptions at this point that the DMCA does far more to encourage piracy than to block it.
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xtago
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21. September 2010 @ 03:07 |
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Originally posted by andmill11:
Originally posted by xtago:
Originally posted by Mysttic:
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It's the same deal for the PS3jailbreak or iphone people just because you can jailbreak something doesn't mean you have any legal right to do so.
That all depends on the country you are in now, even in the States its legal, but only for your own personal self interest and not for release to the masses; and clearly not for the earning of a $.
Well you do know it'd be classed as reverse engineering and that isn't legal in the US.
Wow. No actually. It's perfectly legal to jailbreak your iphone here in the states.
Go and look up the laws against reverse engineering, then how can you say it's perfectly legal... when US companies can sue Chinese companies for ripping off US made or designed products then how could jailbreaking be legal.
DCMA means nothing as your not pirating an IPhone, your altering it's default OS to run another version and you'll find that is against US law.
In other words to jailbreak the product you need to reverse engineer the software or the hardware to work out what is happening at the boot up then alter that boot up from the patented product.
As it then allows you to run another OS which the original designers never ever intended you to run.
Some people are working on getting android working on the IPhone.
If that ends up being the case, then an overseas company could take that work and copy the hardware and start selling their own version of the Iphone.
I wonder if Apple would sue that company or maybe the company and the people who are trying to shoehorn android to work on the IPhone.
It's purely up to the company as to whether they want to sue you for reverse engineering their product.
In Geohotz case he could be sued by IBM because he is or was trying to emulate the security SPU in the PS3 Cell processor, That would have been patented by IBM to protect their CPU product.
once your start doing that then you start playing with people who have much much more clout than you could ever imagine and IBM would have more at stake than what Sony would have.
Also generally by opening the products box also means you agree not to alter the product in anyway, so you'd have agreed not to jailbreak the product anyway in a contractual way just simply by opening the box.
Much like MS's T&Cs you agree to once you rip open the plastic wrap.
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21. September 2010 @ 05:33 |
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I don't think we have to worry about iPhone clones; the only thing that the iPhone has going for it is the logo on the back.
"Also generally by opening the products box also means you agree not to alter the product in anyway, so you'd have agreed not to jailbreak the product anyway in a contractual way just simply by opening the box."
Where do you agree to that? The agreement is inside the box; it is impossible to agree to it before opening the box. ...and when it comes to hardware, you don't have to agree to anything; it runs even if you don't accept.
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davidike
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21. September 2010 @ 08:27 |
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