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Is the PS3 Move a failure?
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rvinkebob
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21. September 2010 @ 00:12 |
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People these days jump to conclusions in the blink of an eye. The thing's only been out for 3-4 days retail, and already people say that it should be trashed immediately. I'm personally not interested in it, I bought my PS3 to sit down and play games with a controller and possibly a steering wheel (looking at you GT5!!), but DAMN, give it some time...
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21. September 2010 @ 02:56 |
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well I think it would be considered a great accessory for games like god of war or maybe splinter cell its all up the individual user and there preferences. If I could make the arm and hand gestures to snap a guy's neck then it would be worth it for me, however if all I can do is swing a bat or cast a fishing pole or bowl then you can count me out.
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21. September 2010 @ 05:40 |
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Originally posted by prutsos:
well I think it would be considered a great accessory for games like god of war or maybe splinter cell its all up the individual user and there preferences. If I could make the arm and hand gestures to snap a guy's neck then it would be worth it for me, however if all I can do is swing a bat or cast a fishing pole or bowl then you can count me out.
That is just the thing...the move does not feel like a neck, a gun, a steering wheel, a bowling ball, or any of the other 99% of things in video games. Even applications like baseball really don't work since it does not feel like swinging a bat.
Originally posted by e_expert:
I've been reading quite a bit lately about Sony's attempt to save the PS3 from becoming outdated with the PS Move
That is not their goal...you can prevent yourself from becoming outdated by copying the most out-of-date console still being sold. Their goal with the PS Move is to try to steal a few customers from the wii...but they don't seem to realize that the wii sucks, and people only buy it because it is cheap. As for the motion controls, nintendo tried to get them right for years, only to find that the whole idea is dumb, even when the controller works like it is designed to work...and now they are making ps2-style controllers for the wii.
I'll be very happy when Kinect and Move fall on their faces, and publishers can get back to making games that are terrible for reasons other than the controls.
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biglo30
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21. September 2010 @ 09:47 |
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Originally posted by KillerBug:
...publishers can get back to making games that are terrible for reasons other than the controls.
lol I hear you on that one.
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bigo93
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21. September 2010 @ 11:22 |
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As rvinkebob has said, its way too early to ask this question.
One thing I dont like about the controller, why the hell have a big glowing ball at the end of it?! I know its used to track movements buts surely they could have gone with something more aesthetically pleasing.
Not played on a wii so cant say if Move is more accurate than wii controllers.
Also the demo disc you get in the starter pack is awful! Each game requires installing and then there's not much to do, doesnt give you much to impress all it does it show you the thing works.
Also has anyone noticed in the advertising videos that for some games, I;m guessing sports champion, when they are playing the archery game, they are actually using 2 Move controllers! So does this mean that for some game you will need to buy an extra move controller, on top of the navigation controller?! I mean come on humans only have 2 hands!
But this leads me to think that for some games you may end up spending a small fortune on just controllers! £45 for move and camera, £20 for navigaton controller, £30 for a second move controller, so that's £95 for a complete set for one player!
Really maybe we should just get a second hand wii for the same price!
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21. September 2010 @ 13:18 |
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I'd like to try it in a FPS, point and shoot is something you can do comfortably from your couch without having to stand and look like an idiot trying to play games in front of people...
and ofcourse some games will be made specifically for the new controller especially in the beginning. the better games will be when they just integrate the new controller to be capable with games like COD. It wont change the game just another option to how you play it.
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21. September 2010 @ 14:21 |
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I don't know. Reviews for it have been positive and initial sales are positive. It's been out for only a few days so calling it a failure is way to early. I bought it and I am impressed. Though it may look like a Wii rip-off it does not offer the same experience the Wii does. How well you do playing a game depends on how you approach it. On the Sports Champion collection disc golf shows off what the Move can do. Simply throwing the disc will often end in a bad result. You have take the time to consider the angle of disc prior to being thrown and the velocity its being thrown. Anyway putting to word how the Move really works does not really properly convey what the Move does better than the Wii. I admit the launch game line up is not that great but hey the 360's line up at launch was not that great either. The games will eventually come and sooner than most people think.
My concern is with the Move is with all this tech and precision, will developers use it or just make games hoping to cash in?
@ bigo93
you don't need to have 2 move wands to play archery and most games I played did not require the navigation controller. The navigation controller can be replaces by the DS3 but that can be awkward and uncomfortable.
So far to get the full set up I spent $179. That the $99 bundle, the nav controller and another wand. Yeah thats more than the Kinect but here is how I look at it. Whats the chances that both my Move wand and the camera breaking all at the same time? So if a component breaks, I'm out another $50 or $30. If the Kinect breaks that means you have to get a new kinect which is another $150.
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21. September 2010 @ 15:08 |
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If this doesn't show an inherent clear difference to why the PS Move is better than the Wii's controls then I don't know what else there is to say ~
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqi2eaY_gZ0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Shaqq2kjHw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRWmqoBZXso
Also as Bawango said you do not "need" 2 PS Moves right now as there are no games that actually require it currently. Expanding on the "costs" you were taling about Bawango most PS Move games are priced at $40 while Kinect titles start at $60!
@ Cletoz ~ You can sit and use the PS Move in an FPS setting as well as in other styles of games. Again not all games require you to stand.
As far as titles that show it's potential all you have to do is look at MAG, Socom, Tumble, Echochrome 2, Sports Champion (Table Tennis specifically) & more like Sorcery etc. then there are future titles like Uncharted 3 that are going to include PS Move optionally as a control feature.
The fact is it has only been out for a few days in all areas so to say/infer it is a "failure" is a misinformed guess at best.
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21. September 2010 @ 20:42 |
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But you can clearly see in the advert video that one person is using 2 move controllers. This is whats bugging me. Not one motion and one navigation but 2 motion controllers!
lol I thought it was gonn abe hard to show in first vid I saw, but this one clearly shows that you most likely WILL need 2 move motion controllers! Hell most of this video shows the ppl using 2 controllers!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9ybHddDMgM
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21. September 2010 @ 23:12 |
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Doesn't matter. As of right now there are no games that require it. You can use it in like 2 of the events of Sports Champions right now but you don't need it to play them. Thus having 2 PS Moves is strictly optional. Plus I don't really see what the big deal is since you need 2 Wii controllers when you play 2 player/multiplayer games anyway. So it's no different than PS Move in that respect so it's a non-issue...
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22. September 2010 @ 05:34 |
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FYI-
The light is not a necessary part of the move...that big light is just for the kids that like it because it shines...and kids are their target audience here. Some of the first move videos to hit the web showed a version of the controller without the light.
I still don't see much realism here...and that is the only point. After all, the move is far slower than using a DS3 (just because fingers move faster than arms). The only real advantage to the move is if it makes the games feel more realistic. So far, I have yet to find any game that the move achieves such a goal for...
I know archery does not feel right because there is no resistance to draw, and because releasing the "string" would cause the controller to fall to the floor.
I know bowling does not feel right.
Baseball and tennis might be close, but the lack of controller mass and overall body movement would ruin it.
I guess a lightsaber game would be great...that is the only use that seems any good.
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in theory, shooting games might be a tiny bit realistic with the move, but if that was the goal, wouldn't they just make a light gun?
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bigo93
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22. September 2010 @ 06:38 |
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Originally posted by Oner:
Doesn't matter. As of right now there are no games that require it.
OK so doesnt matter in this moment of time but it will within maybe 6 months.
With the wii controller you have to buy the nunchuck, but with the move you probably cannot use the navigation controller in the same way as the motion one.
And when it'll come to 2 player boxing games etc, you'd need 4 motion controllers, but I've read that the PS3 can only support 2 motion controllers, so wonder how sony are gonna fix that.
Now sure as you said for most games most people wont need 2 motion controllers as the game works with one, but a minority will prefer the 2 motion controllers if the game says its better to use 2. SO these people will have to fork out more for the 2nd motion controller for each player. I dont think thats fair, sony should have made the navigation controller to work as the 2nd controller for these games, which like nindento have with the nunchuck.
Originally posted by KillerBug:
in theory, shooting games might be a tiny bit realistic with the move, but if that was the goal, wouldn't they just make a light gun?
Well they have made a housing shaped like a gun with trigger, the motion controller just slots into the top of it. but this will most likely be a bulky gun based of the size of the motion controller.
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22. September 2010 @ 10:27 |
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Sorry to tell you killerBug but you are wrong. The information you got about the "light not being necessary" is incorrect. The light is an integral part of how the PS Move is accurate. Also Children are not the main target for the PS Move, it's anyone from kids through hardcore gamers as it has the ability to do it all. From casual style games on up to hardcore gamers who demand accuracy. I have a Wii and always disliked the "fake" accuracy it inherently has but after playing with my 2 PS Move controllers & NavController with Sports Champions, the Move demo's, the Tumble demo and High Velocity Bowling (with my PS+ update that enables PS Move compatibilty) it is EXTREMLY more accurate and has much greater potential. Until you actually try it with am open mind you can't really appreciate it (especially over the Wii).
Bigo93 the Move NavController is used in jut about the same way as the Wii's Nunchuck but wireless. You also have some incorrect info about how many PS Moves can be used, as you can use up to 7 PS Moves IF there ever was a game that needed it. You can basically use any combination of all controllers up to 7 as that is the current PS3 max. So if you needed 2 Moves per person for a fighting game then that would be 4, or say you wanted to play a 2 player FPS then all you would need is 2 Moves & 2 Navs...you get the point.
The last point I wanted to make (because posting this long ass comment via my phone is a PITA) is that it is not my responsability to buy all these controllers for OTHER people to try/play/enjoy. I buy what I need for myself and if someone I know has a PS Move then they can bring theirs over to expand upon the experience. But saying that I got muly PS Move full set (2 Moves, 1 Nav, 1 Eye, Sports Champions & the demo) for about $145 because of preordering and jumping on a deal that Best Buy was offering.
Anyway I will try to post more when I get to a PC when I get to NY (going on a little vacation for a few days). Later!
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bigsjohn
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22. September 2010 @ 20:31 |
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In my opinion FPS aren't very good with motion controls. Haven't found one on the Wii that had controls that weren't frustrating. Maybe it's just me being old school or stubborn, but I'd much rather play COD with a controller. On rails shooters though...would be perfect for PS Move. High-def Resident Evil Chronicles would be killer.
Also, soon as I had the Move in my had I started to wonder how they are gonna use this in a Star Wars lightsaber game. Just seems like the obvious type of game to make.
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bigo93
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22. September 2010 @ 20:49 |
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Originally posted by Oner:
If this doesn't show an inherent clear difference to why the PS Move is better than the Wii's controls then I don't know what else there is to say ~
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqi2eaY_gZ0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Shaqq2kjHw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRWmqoBZXso
After watching these videos I went out and bought myself the retail version of Sports Champions. Not played on a wii but I can say it was fun playing table tennis on this game, though still a little hard to get the ball to go where you want.
The archery game is completely unrealistic, I know cos I am a novice archer, but still a fun game.
Galdiator one, played it using both one motion controller and 2 motion controllers, and its pretty hard to get it to do what you want.
Maybe I need more practice but I can say the motion controller do add a little more depth to the games.
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23. September 2010 @ 03:52 |
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Originally posted by Oner:
Sorry to tell you killerBug but you are wrong. The information you got about the "light not being necessary" is incorrect. The light is an integral part of how the PS Move is accurate. Also Children are not the main target for the PS Move, it's anyone from kids through hardcore gamers as it has the ability to do it all. From casual style games on up to hardcore gamers who demand accuracy. I have a Wii and always disliked the "fake" accuracy it inherently has but after playing with my 2 PS Move controllers & NavController with Sports Champions, the Move demo's, the Tumble demo and High Velocity Bowling (with my PS+ update that enables PS Move compatibilty) it is EXTREMLY more accurate and has much greater potential. Until you actually try it with am open mind you can't really appreciate it (especially over the Wii).
Perhaps the original design didn't work very well, thus the light addition. Yes, children are the main target (ok, children, middle-aged women, and retired people who can't leave the nursing home)...hardcore gamers don't play wII, they don't use the SixAxis function unless forced to, and they don't have the move unless they are trophy whores. I tried this crap out at bestbuy with bowling; don't tell me that it feels realistic because it does not. Ignoring the fact that it does not feel like a bowling ball, nor does it have the weight, it played OK...but my question is still "why" if the whole point is to make games more immersive, then the limitations greatly outweigh and minor benefits. Perhaps I just have a vivid imagination, because playing on a DS3 is a lot more immersive than using the Move...I can just forget about the controls and play; it is like my mind routes all my body movements through my fingers automatically. You like the move? Great...but I bet you like the wii also, because it is the same idea...just tuned up a little...and even nintendo recognizes that the wiiMote is not ideal for most games (thus all the accessories, the chuck, and the gamepad).
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23. September 2010 @ 14:18 |
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Originally posted by KillerBug:
Originally posted by Oner:
Sorry to tell you killerBug but you are wrong. The information you got about the "light not being necessary" is incorrect. The light is an integral part of how the PS Move is accurate. Also Children are not the main target for the PS Move, it's anyone from kids through hardcore gamers as it has the ability to do it all. From casual style games on up to hardcore gamers who demand accuracy. I have a Wii and always disliked the "fake" accuracy it inherently has but after playing with my 2 PS Move controllers & NavController with Sports Champions, the Move demo's, the Tumble demo and High Velocity Bowling (with my PS+ update that enables PS Move compatibilty) it is EXTREMLY more accurate and has much greater potential. Until you actually try it with am open mind you can't really appreciate it (especially over the Wii).
Perhaps the original design didn't work very well, thus the light addition. Yes, children are the main target (ok, children, middle-aged women, and retired people who can't leave the nursing home)...hardcore gamers don't play wII, they don't use the SixAxis function unless forced to, and they don't have the move unless they are trophy whores. I tried this crap out at bestbuy with bowling; don't tell me that it feels realistic because it does not. Ignoring the fact that it does not feel like a bowling ball, nor does it have the weight, it played OK...but my question is still "why" if the whole point is to make games more immersive, then the limitations greatly outweigh and minor benefits. Perhaps I just have a vivid imagination, because playing on a DS3 is a lot more immersive than using the Move...I can just forget about the controls and play; it is like my mind routes all my body movements through my fingers automatically. You like the move? Great...but I bet you like the wii also, because it is the same idea...just tuned up a little...and even nintendo recognizes that the wiiMote is not ideal for most games (thus all the accessories, the chuck, and the gamepad).
Wow. Just wow! I would say I am surprised by your post but I am not. Killerbug strikes again.
- "The light is not a necessary part of the move...that big light is just for the kids that like it because it shines...and kids are their target audience here"
I can't wait to buy RE:Gold Edition,Socom 4,Killzone 3,Dead Space Extraction for my 4 year old daughter :/.
The fact that you only like playing games with the DS3 makes me think that your a closed minded individual and not very imaginative at all. I'd explain how the Move works and how its not just a tuned up version of the Wii but that would be just a waste of time.
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23. September 2010 @ 14:23 |
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Originally posted by KillerBug:
FYI-
The light is not a necessary part of the move...that big light is just for the kids that like it because it shines...and kids are their target audience here. Some of the first move videos to hit the web showed a version of the controller without the light.
I still don't see much realism here...and that is the only point. After all, the move is far slower than using a DS3 (just because fingers move faster than arms). The only real advantage to the move is if it makes the games feel more realistic. So far, I have yet to find any game that the move achieves such a goal for...
I know archery does not feel right because there is no resistance to draw, and because releasing the "string" would cause the controller to fall to the floor.
I know bowling does not feel right.
Baseball and tennis might be close, but the lack of controller mass and overall body movement would ruin it.
I guess a lightsaber game would be great...that is the only use that seems any good.
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in theory, shooting games might be a tiny bit realistic with the move, but if that was the goal, wouldn't they just make a light gun?
Mr.Killerbug, what you've just wrote is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever read. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this forum is now dumber for having read your post. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
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cazer
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25. September 2010 @ 05:11 |
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first off my family had a wii but it didnt last a year in are house. no one realy played it every one was on the ps3 so we sold it. i never liked the controllers as they could not keep up with the speed that we moved it at. i bought the move at walmart at 730am on the 17th. just from the demos i liked it 100% times better then the wii. tumble is a pain but i like how it you can go forward in to the screen with it and in the racquet games if you spin it in the air your will spin aswell. no its not something that i want to play with all the time but i dont play just 1 or 2 plays. that gets old i like to play all sorts of games and this gives me a differnt way to play them. if you dont like it dont buy it simple as that.
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