|
Cablevision and Fox don't reach deal, stations now blacked out
|
|
The following comments relate to this news article:
article published on 16 October, 2010
Following months of negotiations with no resolution, News Corp. has blacked out their Fox broadcast signal to over 3 million Cablevision subscribers in metropolitan New York, New Jersey and Philadelphia.
Cablevision refused to negotiate any longer and declared an impasse at 8 p.m.
Says president of Fox Networks Affiliate Sales and Marketing Mike Hopkins: "We started this process in ... [ read the full article ]
Please read the original article before posting your comments.
|
|
noneya
Newbie
|
22. October 2010 @ 20:55 |
Link to this message
|
|
News Corp (parent company of FOX) is a huge stakeholder (34%) in Hughes Electronics (parent company of DirectTV). What more do you need to know? Ol' Rupert wants to drive up business for DirectTV, plain and simple. F.U. FOX. F.U. DirectTV. F.U Rupert Murdoch.
|
|
Advertisement
|
 |
|
|
|
Blessedon
Member
1 product review
|
22. October 2010 @ 21:04 |
Link to this message
|
Originally posted by new2itall:
Originally posted by sbhere:
DOES ANYONE KNOW WHETHER THE WORLD SERIES WILL BE ON FOX 5 OR TBS. IF IT IS ON FOX 5 AND I AM BLOCKED FROM IT ON CABLEVISION, I WILL SURELY SEEK A NEW SUPPLIER!!!!
This is exactly what "sly" FOX want you to do. They are strong arming the cable companies to a point where the cable companies may take a dive and more people will become unemployed, or increase the monthly fees to their remaining subscribers. This is a no win situation for the customers and the economic environment as a whole. FOX will survive no matter what as they have many income channels and big spenders use FOX to advertise their products and services. I think FOX advertisers should change who they do business with!
Of course you are welcome to your opinion; that's what we're here for. However, It is not reasonable to believe there is a conspiracy afoot. I, like many, pick up Fox OTA...and they know it.
|
|
Blessedon
Member
1 product review
|
22. October 2010 @ 21:17 |
Link to this message
|
Originally posted by rick930:
The $1 million donation Mr. Mudoch made on the behalf of News Corp. to various GOP political...
I'll wait while you mention the $1.8 million that George Soros gave to NPR in order hire reporters to spread your socialist message.
Originally posted by rick930:
Across the country a steadily growing anti-FOX News movement to cease airing FOX News in business establishments has resulted in numerous major corporations publicly stating they would no longer air FOX News.
"Major corporations refusing to air Fox News"?? Name 'em when they stop. Your smoothly fabricated hype has not one ounce of credibility. Of course he talked about money at a shareholder meeting. Of course he's trying to make more money. It's OK with you if the Tides Foundation, NBC, NPR, et al make more money isn't it?
What you are writing is not personal, it is professional.
I defend Fox because I like them.
This message has been edited since posting. Last time this message was edited on 23. October 2010 @ 06:04
|
Senior Member
4 product reviews
|
22. October 2010 @ 21:38 |
Link to this message
|
Originally posted by Spliceman:
Agreed - Makes you want to pick up some NEWS just to have a vote...
News, there isn't any news.
same old crap different day.
Powered By
 |
|
jubangy
Newbie
|
23. October 2010 @ 06:57 |
Link to this message
|
|
Fox is just getting ridiculous. Every year they are threatening some cable/satellite company. It may suck for a while but I agree they will cave when enough co's say screw it and black them out. Little hard to understand always hearing people whine and cry about the economy and how broke they are but it is absolutely amazing how many people have no problem paying so much money monthly for sheer entertainment. Also makes me wonder how many of the people complaining about losing fox actually work for their income and how many get it for free, so just think no biggie everything should be handed to them.
If fox wants so much money, fine get rid of the commercials and go premium like hbo and the like.
|
|
YOBUZZB
Senior Member
|
23. October 2010 @ 16:55 |
Link to this message
|
|
Oh my goodness! The level of ignorance in some of the comments leveled against FOX is asstounding! ABC negotiated with Cablevision to charge $1 per subscriber for their broadcast. Cablevision wanted to pay roughly $.40. ABC got what they asked for. FOX was negotiating for $1 per subscriber as well. FOX gets much higher ratings than any of the other networks! Cablevision doesn't wish to pay them what they ask for. The argument is that FOX is to blame?! WOW!
Put it this way, ABC is silver and Cablevision paid more to get it. FOX is gold but Cablevision won't pay even though gold has appreciated into the stratosphere above silver! The factual numbers speak for themselves. More people view and trust FOX rather than any other network. That's a fact!
This is how free enterprise works. I have a product or service. I ask a certain price. You pay the asking price or negotiate for a better price. I don't agree to less than my product is worth. You don't pay me what I asked. I don't give you my product or service! Simple.
"In all your getting, get an understanding!"
Dell Dimension DIM4600 Intel P4 CPU 2.66GHz 2.5GB-DDR 160GB-HDD Primary 80GB-HDD Slave Memorex 16x DL -/+RW Burner JLMS DVD-ROM XJ-HD166 WinXP Home Edition SP3
This message has been edited since posting. Last time this message was edited on 23. October 2010 @ 16:58
|
Senior Member
|
23. October 2010 @ 17:57 |
Link to this message
|
Originally posted by YOBUZZB:
Oh my goodness! The level of ignorance in some of the comments leveled against FOX is asstounding! ABC negotiated with Cablevision to charge $1 per subscriber for their broadcast. Cablevision wanted to pay roughly $.40. ABC got what they asked for. FOX was negotiating for $1 per subscriber as well. FOX gets much higher ratings than any of the other networks! Cablevision doesn't wish to pay them what they ask for. The argument is that FOX is to blame?! WOW!
Put it this way, ABC is silver and Cablevision paid more to get it. FOX is gold but Cablevision won't pay even though gold has appreciated into the stratosphere above silver! The factual numbers speak for themselves. More people view and trust FOX rather than any other network. That's a fact!
This is how free enterprise works. I have a product or service. I ask a certain price. You pay the asking price or negotiate for a better price. I don't agree to less than my product is worth. You don't pay me what I asked. I don't give you my product or service! Simple.
Very true!! Ignorance is rapid in this thread...
|
|
airman
Newbie
|
23. October 2010 @ 22:48 |
Link to this message
|
Originally posted by Blessedon:
Originally posted by rick930:
The $1 million donation Mr. Mudoch made on the behalf of News Corp. to various GOP political...
I'll wait while you mention the $1.8 million that George Soros gave to NPR in order hire reporters to spread your socialist message.
Originally posted by rick930:
Across the country a steadily growing anti-FOX News movement to cease airing FOX News in business establishments has resulted in numerous major corporations publicly stating they would no longer air FOX News.
"Major corporations refusing to air Fox News"?? Name 'em when they stop. Your smoothly fabricated hype has not one ounce of credibility. Of course he talked about money at a shareholder meeting. Of course he's trying to make more money. It's OK with you if the Tides Foundation, NBC, NPR, et al make more money isn't it?
What you are writing is not personal, it is professional.
I defend Fox because I like them.
If you do follow the news you will see that the backlash is against NPR not only for firing the Juan Williams, but they are losing credibility for taking the money from Soros. Soros has a political agenda and has openly said he wants to "control" the news. He like Obama has had an ongoing battle with FOX.
I'll go back to listening to NPR when they fire the boss who let Williams go and give all of Soros' money back.
Airman
|
Senior Member
4 product reviews
|
24. October 2010 @ 02:17 |
Link to this message
|
Originally posted by Mr-Movies:
Originally posted by YOBUZZB:
Oh my goodness! The level of ignorance in some of the comments leveled against FOX is asstounding! ABC negotiated with Cablevision to charge $1 per subscriber for their broadcast. Cablevision wanted to pay roughly $.40. ABC got what they asked for. FOX was negotiating for $1 per subscriber as well. FOX gets much higher ratings than any of the other networks! Cablevision doesn't wish to pay them what they ask for. The argument is that FOX is to blame?! WOW!
Put it this way, ABC is silver and Cablevision paid more to get it. FOX is gold but Cablevision won't pay even though gold has appreciated into the stratosphere above silver! The factual numbers speak for themselves. More people view and trust FOX rather than any other network. That's a fact!
This is how free enterprise works. I have a product or service. I ask a certain price. You pay the asking price or negotiate for a better price. I don't agree to less than my product is worth. You don't pay me what I asked. I don't give you my product or service! Simple.
Very true!! Ignorance is rapid in this thread...
do i detect a hint of sarcasm in that comment :p
Powered By
|
Senior Member
|
1. November 2010 @ 22:43 |
Link to this message
|
|
That was a crappy move by NPR
|
Staff Member
4 product reviews
|
1. November 2010 @ 23:21 |
Link to this message
|
Originally posted by YOBUZZB:
Oh my goodness! The level of ignorance in some of the comments leveled against FOX is asstounding! ABC negotiated with Cablevision to charge $1 per subscriber for their broadcast. Cablevision wanted to pay roughly $.40. ABC got what they asked for. FOX was negotiating for $1 per subscriber as well. FOX gets much higher ratings than any of the other networks! Cablevision doesn't wish to pay them what they ask for. The argument is that FOX is to blame?! WOW!
Put it this way, ABC is silver and Cablevision paid more to get it. FOX is gold but Cablevision won't pay even though gold has appreciated into the stratosphere above silver! The factual numbers speak for themselves. More people view and trust FOX rather than any other network. That's a fact!
Where have you gotten these "facts"? Cablevision has repeatedly said that Fox was asking for more than they pay to ABC, CBS, Univision and NBC combined.
No one here is saying that ABC was any less greedy than Fox has been during this ordeal. The same principles apply. The broadcasters are charging extravagant amounts of money for transmissions that are free over the air with an antenna.
As for higher ratings, please check the following link...same numbers apply for the last 5 weeks (as far back as I checked) where ABC is higher than Fox:
http://tvbythenumbers.com/2010/10/26/cbs-stays-on-top-weekly-primetime-ratings-nbc-second-followed-by-abc-fox/69507
|
Senior Member
|
2. November 2010 @ 00:35 |
Link to this message
|
Originally posted by DVDBack23:
Originally posted by YOBUZZB:
Oh my goodness! The level of ignorance in some of the comments leveled against FOX is asstounding! ABC negotiated with Cablevision to charge $1 per subscriber for their broadcast. Cablevision wanted to pay roughly $.40. ABC got what they asked for. FOX was negotiating for $1 per subscriber as well. FOX gets much higher ratings than any of the other networks! Cablevision doesn't wish to pay them what they ask for. The argument is that FOX is to blame?! WOW!
Put it this way, ABC is silver and Cablevision paid more to get it. FOX is gold but Cablevision won't pay even though gold has appreciated into the stratosphere above silver! The factual numbers speak for themselves. More people view and trust FOX rather than any other network. That's a fact!
Where have you gotten these "facts"? Cablevision has repeatedly said that Fox was asking for more than they pay to ABC, CBS, Univision and NBC combined.
No one here is saying that ABC was any less greedy than Fox has been during this ordeal. The same principles apply. The broadcasters are charging extravagant amounts of money for transmissions that are free over the air with an antenna.
As for higher ratings, please check the following link...same numbers apply for the last 5 weeks (as far back as I checked) where ABC is higher than Fox:
http://tvbythenumbers.com/2010/10/26/cbs-stays-on-top-weekly-primetime-ratings-nbc-second-followed-by-abc-fox/69507
No!, this isn't about ONE of each local broadcast channel that is free to air which is what those ratings are for. This is about the premium FOX channels that are not free! And do have a much higher market share than the others. Sure it includes the free to air channel in the package deal but again the focus would be more on Fox Sports & News channels where their strength lays. People aren't complaining so much about loosing the local Fox station they are complaining about Sports & News!!!
|
|
Blessedon
Member
1 product review
|
2. November 2010 @ 07:29 |
Link to this message
|
|
If someone doesn't like the price of what they are purchasing, they should not buy it.
If they do buy it then complain about it's price, they lack self-control.
|
|
Spliceman
Suspended due to non-functional email address
|
2. November 2010 @ 09:25 |
Link to this message
|
|
Is anyone aware of the specifics of the deal between Dish Network and Fox? Its nice that the issue has "gone away" but would be very interesting to find out who gave in, and exactly by which method they will be taking it out of our backsides...
|
|
Blessedon
Member
1 product review
|
2. November 2010 @ 10:19 |
Link to this message
|
|
Cablevision gave in. Fox wanted money for content that they had previously offered to Cablevision for free, in a package, plus a premium for their market share of paid content. Call it greed if you want; I think a business is allowed to make whatever profit people are stupid enough to give them.
On Cablevision's side: they were trying to cheap-out by manipulating the FCC into intervening in a dispute over which the FCC has no legal jurisdiction (force Newscorp to end their blackout thus depriving Newscorp of their bargaining chip)
|
|
Spliceman
Suspended due to non-functional email address
|
2. November 2010 @ 10:57 |
Link to this message
|
|
Thanks Blessedon for the info. I keep forgetting that the thread of this article began with the Cablevision news. I was actually more interested in the Fox / Dish Network conflict which also settled late last week.
I agree if people are willing to pay the price, business should be able to name that price thereby creating a market. As long as the viewers are made aware that it is the Network that is the "bad guy" if you will... The carrier IE Cablevision / Dish Network is somewhat caught in the middle. People threaten to drop Dish Network and go to cable if they don't get their Fox sports, and its just a matter of time until Fox pulls the same deal with that cable provider. I'm sure people are happy now that the fight is over but 6 or 12 months from now when that incremental rate increase comes through it will be that damned dish network. I know I'm beating a dead horse here, but the networks do have a sweet deal. Create a bidding war each year over coverage rights, the people will pay for it in the end, and the networks don't have to be the ones to break the cost of doing business to the people. Let the cable/sat provider be the messenger. I'll shut up now...
|
Senior Member
4 product reviews
|
2. November 2010 @ 15:13 |
Link to this message
|
|
you know who's paying for fox's greed, the viewers. its wrong and manipulative in every way. but this is what happens when you let corporations get there way. next all the networks will be wanting more and more money. the $350 dollar cable bill is coming,and its closer than you might think.
Powered By
|
|
Blessedon
Member
1 product review
|
2. November 2010 @ 19:39 |
Link to this message
|
|
It won't be coming to me my friend;
I have never, and will never, be so mindless as to pay for TV programming.
Answer me this please DXR88; Do you understand what entity would be programming you if corporations were not competing for your dollar - as you want?
That's right - there's only one entity left; the government would decide what you allowed to see and hear, and what you are not. Go rent V For Vendetta if you don't understand yet, as I am sure you don't, you have been programmed to believe corporations, companies, and businesses are evil.
|
Senior Member
4 product reviews
|
2. November 2010 @ 20:05 |
Link to this message
|
Originally posted by blessedon:
Answer me this please DXR88; Do you understand what entity would be programming you if corporations were not competing for your dollar - as you want?
Who's competing, the only thing i'm seeing is blatant Monopolizing.
Originally posted by blessedon:
I have never, and will never, be so mindless as to pay for TV programming.
oh really so your a cable thief then. that's good to know.
Powered By
|
|
Blessedon
Member
1 product review
|
2. November 2010 @ 20:33 |
Link to this message
|
Originally posted by DXR88:
Who's competing, the only thing i'm seeing is blatant Monopolizing.
????Wow!
Originally posted by blessedon:
I have never, and will never, be so mindless as to pay for TV programming.
Originally posted by DXR88:
oh really so your a cable thief then. that's good to know.
Stunning...I use an antenna with a High-Definition receiver...
This message has been edited since posting. Last time this message was edited on 2. November 2010 @ 20:38
|
Senior Member
4 product reviews
|
2. November 2010 @ 20:46 |
Link to this message
|
Originally posted by Blessedon:
Originally posted by DXR88:
Who's competing, the only thing i'm seeing is blatant Monopolizing.
????Wow!
Originally posted by blessedon:
I have never, and will never, be so mindless as to pay for TV programming.
Originally posted by DXR88:
oh really so your a cable thief then. that's good to know.
Stunning...I use an antenna with a High-Definition receiver...
then i take it back, your one of the few who can get decent OTA.
a good portion of viewers don't have that option. either because of piss poor reception, or stringent building laws. not to mention digital made the ranging worse than it already was.
those of us that pay for cable tv, know what happens when Fox or any content provider for that matter wants more cash. We the Viewers pay for it.
And we don't have an option, but to fork it over.
Powered By
|
|
Blessedon
Member
1 product review
|
2. November 2010 @ 22:57 |
Link to this message
|
Originally posted by DXR88:
then i take it back, your one of the few who can get decent OTA.
a good portion of viewers don't have that option. either because of piss poor reception, or stringent building laws. not to mention digital made the ranging worse than it already was.
those of us that pay for cable tv, know what happens when Fox or any content provider for that matter wants more cash. We the Viewers pay for it.
And we don't have an option, but to fork it over.
Well said. However, being a conservative who detests corporate greed as much as anyone-hence the lifetime devotion to OTA-I say there is a choice;
SHUT OFF YOUR CABLE EVERYONE! Buy an antenna, take what you can get, and read books!
|
|
Advertisement
|
|
|
Senior Member
|
3. November 2010 @ 03:03 |
Link to this message
|
Originally posted by DXR88:
Originally posted by Blessedon:
Originally posted by DXR88:
Who's competing, the only thing i'm seeing is blatant Monopolizing.
????Wow!
Originally posted by blessedon:
I have never, and will never, be so mindless as to pay for TV programming.
Originally posted by DXR88:
oh really so your a cable thief then. that's good to know.
Stunning...I use an antenna with a High-Definition receiver...
then i take it back, your one of the few who can get decent OTA.
a good portion of viewers don't have that option. either because of piss poor reception, or stringent building laws. not to mention digital made the ranging worse than it already was.
those of us that pay for cable tv, know what happens when Fox or any content provider for that matter wants more cash. We the Viewers pay for it.
And we don't have an option, but to fork it over.
No, he is one of those people that likes limited TV and tons of commercials. YUK!
|
