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Kinect sales are crushing Move sales, says Pachter
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article published on 10 December, 2010
Wedbush analyst Michael Pachter, one of the most well-known in the video game industry has said today that Microsoft's Kinect is crushing Sony's rival Move motion control system in regards to sales.
Sony says it has shipped 4.1 million units since launch, but it is unclear how many of those have translated to actual retail sales.
Microsoft, on the other hand, has confirmed 2.5 million ... [ read the full article ]
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jerred121
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10. December 2010 @ 17:08 |
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move>>>>Kinect, not sony's fault people are ignorant.
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jookycola
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10. December 2010 @ 17:12 |
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This is Sony's own fault. They short shipped moves in hopes of causing a frenzy, instead people just passed on it and bought Kinect instead. My own family tried in vain to get PS Move this shopping season and they found they were either sold out, or only one controller was available, or both controllers but no PSEye (camera). So they said screw it and bought the Kinect which all comes as one unit not in 15 separate boxes.
Sony should have shipped more complete Move packages (PSEye, and both controllers all in one box) they tried to make it the big must have of the year by short shipping it...but forgot people had an alternative to turn to when they couldn't find any Moves. Stupid marketing move (pun intended)
I hope they fired the guy that thought it would be brilliant to send out a million Move motion joystick controllers, but only a couple 1000 of the glowing ball controllers and even less PSEye's all needed to make the Move system work properly. M$ swooped in and stole their thunder by making sure they had adequate stock for the holiday season instead of playing games with consumers by making it intentionally hard to get.
The Move is vastly superior to the Kinect but if it's too hard to obtain people will look elsewhere.
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SDF_GR
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10. December 2010 @ 17:30 |
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This must be the only time that pachter is accurate....
however that kinect outsells move is all around the net.
IMO though, move will live longer and eventually will have a better per console ratio.
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ddp
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10. December 2010 @ 17:49 |
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jookycola, edit your sig to conform to forum specs ASAP.
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jookycola
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10. December 2010 @ 17:49 |
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The Move is just a much better product. The Kinect has good technology and a great "idea" but is not ever going to be as accurate as the Move. The Move employs the same exact motion control technology they use for Hollywood movies. The glowing ball is followed by the camera to provide exact detailed movement. Just like how they motion capture movements of actors to add CGI action sequences to movies.
The Kinect just picks up movement period, not accurately either. Sony has the superior product but bet a little too much on that rep to push it's sales. In the end M$ had the better stocked shelves. When you have two rival technologies so close together you never give the rival the advantage. Sony did that by short shipping and allowing the Kinect to pound them. Why kill yourself looking from store to store at empty shelves of the PSMove when right next to it on another shelf are 1000's of Kinects just waiting to go home with you. Sony blew it.
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jookycola
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10. December 2010 @ 17:58 |
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No disrespect ddp But I've used that signature for well over a year and you are the first ever moderator to say anything. I'm not a newbie member either I've been here since 2003. So this is news to me.
I can't find one single clearly marked link that tells me what is acceptable and what is not. I'd change it if i knew what the parameters were. Is this something new? why is it suddenly a problem today and has never been a problem in the nearly 2 years I've had this exact same sig?
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ddp
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10. December 2010 @ 18:03 |
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jookycola
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10. December 2010 @ 18:10 |
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I read them in 2003 man. Do remember everything you read in 2003? I'm clearly NOT giving you attitude so i don't think the attitude is necessary to get YOUR point across. I've had this sig for nearly 2 years and suddenly you come out of nowhere and tell me it's no acceptable. I simply asked you what is the proper compliance then.
And if it's such a problem why not make it a clickable easy to access link so people can see that CLEARLY when making a sig?
Just saying.
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10. December 2010 @ 18:11 |
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here man, no need to get in a riff with the lightning man:
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ddp
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10. December 2010 @ 18:15 |
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that is 41,228 bytes which meets the forum rule requirements.
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jookycola
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10. December 2010 @ 18:18 |
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No riff, all he needed to do was just state what he wanted and not the last unnecessary sentence of snotty comment.
And don't bother DVDBack, it was a dynamic signature that changes in real time with my PSN to display trophies earned. Editing it defeats it's purpose. But thanks for fixing it anyway, i appreciate the help.
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stuntman_
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10. December 2010 @ 18:55 |
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kinect would have been cool if they left the processor in it and sold it for a higher price, instead MS takes it out makes it lag and advertises it like its the future or something. The move is way better but I am with all of you guys selling it as separate pieces was stupid. The move will end up having better games simply because the hardware is better. When the real games come out (not these shitty launch titles) everyone will see kinect is just an overpriced toy (similar to the wii) and the move actually moves gaming forward a little bit.
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SCorleone
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10. December 2010 @ 20:42 |
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Originally posted by jookycola:
This is Sony's own fault. They short shipped moves in hopes of causing a frenzy, instead people just passed on it and bought Kinect instead. My own family tried in vain to get PS Move this shopping season and they found they were either sold out, or only one controller was available, or both controllers but no PSEye (camera). So they said screw it and bought the Kinect which all comes as one unit not in 15 separate boxes.
Sony should have shipped more complete Move packages (PSEye, and both controllers all in one box) they tried to make it the big must have of the year by short shipping it...but forgot people had an alternative to turn to when they couldn't find any Moves. Stupid marketing move (pun intended)
I hope they fired the guy that thought it would be brilliant to send out a million Move motion joystick controllers, but only a couple 1000 of the glowing ball controllers and even less PSEye's all needed to make the Move system work properly. M$ swooped in and stole their thunder by making sure they had adequate stock for the holiday season instead of playing games with consumers by making it intentionally hard to get.
The Move is vastly superior to the Kinect but if it's too hard to obtain people will look elsewhere.
Well sony shipped 4.1 million units, yet the kinect is "crushing" the move with 2.5 million sales, so I don't really see supply being the issue there.. Perhaps it's marketing as I've seen a ton more advertising for the kinect compared to the move.
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jookycola
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10. December 2010 @ 23:11 |
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They shipped 4.1 million...but obviously not even sets. my local Best Buy alone had tons and tons of the motion controllers (the controller for the Move with an analog joystick)but section with the Move controllers (the ones with the glowing ball) empty. And they had a total of 2 PSEye cameras. And not one complete all-in-one PSMove box.
So either Microsoft and Patcher are talking out of their asses. Or Sony is bragging about shipping 4.1 million separate un-balanced parts of the move....not 4.1 million "complete" Move systems.
I'd say it's more like they shipped:
3 million joystick move controllers
1 million motion ball controllers
.1 PSEye cameras.
If you don't have all 3 you don't have a complete Move System. So they should have sent 4.1 million complete matching sets.
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10. December 2010 @ 23:11 |
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Originally posted by SCorleone:
Well sony shipped 4.1 million units, yet the kinect is "crushing" the move with 2.5 million sales, so I don't really see supply being the issue there.. Perhaps it's marketing as I've seen a ton more advertising for the kinect compared to the move.
The issue is that Sony only shipped 4.1 million parts...that it is a system that needs at least two parts, but should really have three parts, even for one player. They only shipped demo stations to a handful of stores, and they didn't even bother to include the navigation controllers in these demo stations. AFAIK, they didn't ship a single nav controller to my city at all...I can't find them anyway...you have to buy that part from Amazon.
Yes, the move is better from a technical standpoint...but the PS3 is too; and that does not keep Sony marketing from screwing everything up.
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xtago
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11. December 2010 @ 06:54 |
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Kinect is crap.
I've used it and it's slow real slow, and because the games are running a bit slower again you don't know if it's worked until things don't happen when you expect them to.
I haven't tried a move yet I'll probably just buy one already have a PS3.
The problem I find is that I already have most of the parts for the move I already have a camera and if I bought the pet game I'd have 2 cameras buying a full move system would be another camera, so having it separate does work out.
also allows people to just buy what they actually need rather than have extra items that can be re-sold or chucked.
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salsa36
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11. December 2010 @ 12:19 |
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I really like Kinect, i got move too but it's silly a glowing controller and nothing new. Kinect allows you to control the Xbox without a controller as well.
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11. December 2010 @ 12:28 |
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Eh.
I can see Move developing with more games to come out with and new ideas.
Kinect.. I dunno. A couple of racing games, some fighting ones. FPS.. Not sure. I see Kinect dying off soon. You can do a lot more with a controller.
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jookycola
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11. December 2010 @ 14:49 |
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Yeah but Salsa that silly glowing ball makes the move accurate, something the Kinect is not. And this is the something new, it's the first time real time Hollywood style motion tracking has ever been used by the masses. The Kinect is nothing more than a souped up EyeToy. It truly is nothing new
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11. December 2010 @ 20:20 |
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^Agreed.
Looks new for the casual gamer and TBH, I think that it'll act like the Wii - fun with family/friends, boring with yourself but Live might remedy that.
Still, I think that the Kinect will die whereas the Move will go on strong for a while with new ideas possible on the Move.
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elfman12
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12. December 2010 @ 03:45 |
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Kinect is anything but "a souped up EyeToy". The 3d resolving algorithms are already extraordinary, and will get better with more devs working with it.
Move is a good ball tracking system, yes. Why can't that be good enough, why belittle the Kinect which is a WHOLLY different approach to the issue?
I'm always wary when people belittle a competing device to support their fav. Especially in this situation. Look at the brochure-like comments above "first time real time Hollywood style motion tracking has ever been used by the masses" and "employs the same exact motion control technology they use for Hollywood movies"... while saying about Kinect "The Kinect just picks up movement period, not accurately either".
Yeah, right.
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Kingdom10
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12. December 2010 @ 11:45 |
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It is funny how people make claims that kinect is not accurate. Well mine works just great. also my son barely uses his move, he is always upstairs using the Kinect.
Move does not bring the level of fun as Kinect, because you can nut use your whole body on the Move.
I predict Kinect will hit 6 million by January 15 2011.
I live in a very poor neighborhood, and when more than 4 people on the same block in the hood has a device it will be huge.
There is not one person that plays the kinect that does not like it. "Kinect Sports" kills everything on PS3 for move.
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12. December 2010 @ 11:56 |
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For PS move, they can sell controllers only and games can be downloaded from PSN which won't add to the sales. I'm thinking that the sales are for the complete set with sport champions. For kinect, they count cameras sold.
Also more people have Xbox 360s so take a percentage of 360 owners with Move and a percentage of PS3 owners with move and I bet you the Move percentage will be higher.
This guy is an idiot, he has no idea how to make a proper statement.
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ddp
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12. December 2010 @ 12:46 |
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watch the name calling.
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