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Kinect sales are crushing Move sales, says Pachter
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article published on 10 December, 2010
Wedbush analyst Michael Pachter, one of the most well-known in the video game industry has said today that Microsoft's Kinect is crushing Sony's rival Move motion control system in regards to sales.
Sony says it has shipped 4.1 million units since launch, but it is unclear how many of those have translated to actual retail sales.
Microsoft, on the other hand, has confirmed 2.5 million ... [ read the full article ]
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watch the name calling.
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12. December 2010 @ 14:57 |
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why are all the Sony lovers making excuses, LOL. you fools act like Sony is your wife. they lost, just face it.
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elfman12
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12. December 2010 @ 17:06 |
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Originally posted by kikzm33z:
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You're implying that Kinect is accurate? Yeah right!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWbLOFGSEDo
Yes, in what it does it works well. You are comparing a device that tracks a fixed point in space (Move) with a device that tracks and can accurately map a human skeletal system (using an TGB as well as 3D cameras).
Those are not the same thing.
For single pinpoint precision, Move has a great solution. For something entirely different, Kinect hasn't even hit it's stride yet. Again, they have different objectives, but YOU only measure them by Move's strength. Feel free to do that, but it's a pointless argument.
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Originally posted by Kingdom10:
why are all the Sony lovers making excuses, LOL. you fools act like Sony is your wife. they lost, just face it.
You're obviously married to your Xbox. You sleep with it too?
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13. December 2010 @ 03:34 |
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Man, I hate fan-boys, I really do. I propose a new rule to after dawn if your a fan-boy then you are banned. Both consoles are very good and have their own unique nuances that entertain and that's why I have both. Fighting over which is better or sold more is just stupid. Why do people fight for companies that they do not have any stock in I have no clue. But I know one thing Sony and Microsoft are laughing all the way to the bank.
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Originally posted by chris1980:
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Also more people have Xbox 360s so take a percentage of 360 owners with Move and a percentage of PS3 owners with move and I bet you the Move percentage will be higher.
The kinect console bundle is out selling the move console bundle 5:1... that means that people with neither console are opting for the kinect
Nice! Hey, I can pull info out of my rear end too!
BMWs are outselling Toyotas 10:1
Also the Kinect bundle is $100 less. An everyday buyer is gonna get the 360 with Kinect thinking that they are getting a better deal. They'll come home, hook up the console to online and enjoy it. In a month, they'll be running out to get a flash drive or new hard drive. There is a $400 Kinect bundle but nobody sells that at a decent price (console + kinect separately is cheaper)
Don't tell me the "Patcher said this" BS. He's been wrong 95% of the time.
Reason Kinect is selling more is because people have trust in 360. They've done so many things right that people have trust in Microsoft. All those people are overlooking the ridiculous failure rate, scratching of discs, noise, external power supply, etc. People looked at PS3 at release and saw a $600 price tag and said "Sony sucks", then they saw the YLOD and were like "really sony?" and finally they looked at PS3s online and continued to make fun of it. They didn't look at the fact that for $300, you get so much more.
Originally posted by bankai987:
Man, I hate fan-boys, I really do. I propose a new rule to after dawn if your a fan-boy then you are banned. Both consoles are very good and have their own unique nuances that entertain and that's why I have both. Fighting over which is better or sold more is just stupid. Why do people fight for companies that they do not have any stock in I have no clue. But I know one thing Sony and Microsoft are laughing all the way to the bank.
If you're hinting that I'm a fan-boy, think again. Look at my signature, I have consoles from every manufacturer. I have 3 360s and 3 PS3s. I'll tell you straight out that playing online is identical on both systems except. There's games like Black Ops which suck on PSN but that's obviously Treyarch sucking at life because MW2 and everything else I've played works fine. Xbox 360 has the "goodies" which PS3 has too, Xbox just has a couple more. If someone judges a console by just the online portion, in my opinion, they're truly retarded.
For people pulling out the "360 has more games". Both consoles have the same number of games coming out now. Most games are multiplatform. For those on 360 that are like "We have Gears of War!" hey, we have Uncharted, Ratchet, Resistance, etc. Only reason 360s game library is greater is because it was out a year longer. It's like PS2s game library vs Xbox and Gamecube.
Now for my favorite. The people who say "You get a better deal with 360". Those people are legit retarded. PS3 has 100% PS1 backwards compatibility, the ability to upgrade the hard drive to a generic one, BluRay, a PlayStation Store which is much easier to use than Xbox's dash garbage (All my friends with a 360 agree here), built in Wifi from the start, the ability to play media files off a flash drive (PS3 can play more file types) and the ability to copy media files from an external device to the PS3s hard drive.
The reason I'm so pissed off is not because I'm a fanboy. It's because of all the news and how it goes against PS3. There's never any good news about the PS3, theres the news like "New Firmware Update" which people frown upon because it takes time to install, eliminates the possibility for homebrew, and won't let you go online until you install it. Might I add that Xbox 360 does the same thing except their updates take a lot less time. That doesn't bother me, PS3's firmware is a lot more complicated than 360s. The other article I remember is "PS3s getting the YLOD" Holy crap you're gonna report on that but not 360s RROD?
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13. December 2010 @ 05:29 |
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Originally posted by jookycola:
The Move is just a much better product. The Kinect has good technology and a great "idea" but is not ever going to be as accurate as the Move. The Move employs the same exact motion control technology they use for Hollywood movies. The glowing ball is followed by the camera to provide exact detailed movement. Just like how they motion capture movements of actors to add CGI action sequences to movies.
The Kinect just picks up movement period, not accurately either. Sony has the superior product but bet a little too much on that rep to push it's sales. In the end M$ had the better stocked shelves. When you have two rival technologies so close together you never give the rival the advantage. Sony did that by short shipping and allowing the Kinect to pound them. Why kill yourself looking from store to store at empty shelves of the PSMove when right next to it on another shelf are 1000's of Kinects just waiting to go home with you. Sony blew it.
LOL - People said the same thing about Sony when they brought out the Six-Axis. It has delivered nothing compared to the Wii and it makes you wonder what the point of Six-Axis is? Lets see what Sony does with this Six-Axis Mk2 device in the future and see if it measures up to Microsoft's Kinect.
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Originally posted by TrinUK:
Originally posted by jookycola:
The Move is just a much better product. The Kinect has good technology and a great "idea" but is not ever going to be as accurate as the Move. The Move employs the same exact motion control technology they use for Hollywood movies. The glowing ball is followed by the camera to provide exact detailed movement. Just like how they motion capture movements of actors to add CGI action sequences to movies.
The Kinect just picks up movement period, not accurately either. Sony has the superior product but bet a little too much on that rep to push it's sales. In the end M$ had the better stocked shelves. When you have two rival technologies so close together you never give the rival the advantage. Sony did that by short shipping and allowing the Kinect to pound them. Why kill yourself looking from store to store at empty shelves of the PSMove when right next to it on another shelf are 1000's of Kinects just waiting to go home with you. Sony blew it.
LOL - People said the same thing about Sony when they brought out the Six-Axis. It has delivered nothing compared to the Wii and it makes you wonder what the point of Six-Axis is? Lets see what Sony does with this Six-Axis Mk2 device in the future and see if it measures up to Microsoft's Kinect.
There's a couple games out there that use Six Axis but it's not like it made the controller price any more expensive than the 360s so why bother bringing that up? It's a "free feature".
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13. December 2010 @ 05:43 |
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Originally posted by core2kid:
Originally posted by TrinUK:
Originally posted by jookycola:
The Move is just a much better product. The Kinect has good technology and a great "idea" but is not ever going to be as accurate as the Move. The Move employs the same exact motion control technology they use for Hollywood movies. The glowing ball is followed by the camera to provide exact detailed movement. Just like how they motion capture movements of actors to add CGI action sequences to movies.
The Kinect just picks up movement period, not accurately either. Sony has the superior product but bet a little too much on that rep to push it's sales. In the end M$ had the better stocked shelves. When you have two rival technologies so close together you never give the rival the advantage. Sony did that by short shipping and allowing the Kinect to pound them. Why kill yourself looking from store to store at empty shelves of the PSMove when right next to it on another shelf are 1000's of Kinects just waiting to go home with you. Sony blew it.
LOL - People said the same thing about Sony when they brought out the Six-Axis. It has delivered nothing compared to the Wii and it makes you wonder what the point of Six-Axis is? Lets see what Sony does with this Six-Axis Mk2 device in the future and see if it measures up to Microsoft's Kinect.
There's a couple games out there that use Six Axis but it's not like it made the controller price any more expensive than the 360s so why bother bringing that up? It's a "free feature".
I dont think you quite got it. Microsoft did not have motion sensing. PS3 did and now they are bring out another. Why??? when they should have got it right in the first place and this time you need 2 devices or sometimes 3 to play one game. That was the point I was making. So with this in mind, the PS3 controller system has worked out to be more expensive than the 360. You also failed to mention that a second PS3 controller was released with the Dualshock feature absent from the first generation controllers. Woe unto those who want to play 2, 3 or 4 player Move games as it's gonna be a costly investment. :)
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Originally posted by TrinUK:
Originally posted by core2kid:
Originally posted by TrinUK:
Originally posted by jookycola:
The Move is just a much better product. The Kinect has good technology and a great "idea" but is not ever going to be as accurate as the Move. The Move employs the same exact motion control technology they use for Hollywood movies. The glowing ball is followed by the camera to provide exact detailed movement. Just like how they motion capture movements of actors to add CGI action sequences to movies.
The Kinect just picks up movement period, not accurately either. Sony has the superior product but bet a little too much on that rep to push it's sales. In the end M$ had the better stocked shelves. When you have two rival technologies so close together you never give the rival the advantage. Sony did that by short shipping and allowing the Kinect to pound them. Why kill yourself looking from store to store at empty shelves of the PSMove when right next to it on another shelf are 1000's of Kinects just waiting to go home with you. Sony blew it.
LOL - People said the same thing about Sony when they brought out the Six-Axis. It has delivered nothing compared to the Wii and it makes you wonder what the point of Six-Axis is? Lets see what Sony does with this Six-Axis Mk2 device in the future and see if it measures up to Microsoft's Kinect.
There's a couple games out there that use Six Axis but it's not like it made the controller price any more expensive than the 360s so why bother bringing that up? It's a "free feature".
I dont think you quite got it. Microsoft did not have motion sensing. PS3 did and now they are bring out another. Why??? and this time you need 2 devices or sometime 3 to play one game. That was the point I was making.
Yea, you have a camera, motion controller and navigation controller which is essentially a DualShock 3 controller in another form. Wii has a sensor bar, wiimote, and the addition which can be nunchuck, classic controller, etc.
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13. December 2010 @ 05:56 |
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Originally posted by core2kid:
Originally posted by TrinUK:
Originally posted by core2kid:
Originally posted by TrinUK:
Originally posted by jookycola:
The Move is just a much better product. The Kinect has good technology and a great "idea" but is not ever going to be as accurate as the Move. The Move employs the same exact motion control technology they use for Hollywood movies. The glowing ball is followed by the camera to provide exact detailed movement. Just like how they motion capture movements of actors to add CGI action sequences to movies.
The Kinect just picks up movement period, not accurately either. Sony has the superior product but bet a little too much on that rep to push it's sales. In the end M$ had the better stocked shelves. When you have two rival technologies so close together you never give the rival the advantage. Sony did that by short shipping and allowing the Kinect to pound them. Why kill yourself looking from store to store at empty shelves of the PSMove when right next to it on another shelf are 1000's of Kinects just waiting to go home with you. Sony blew it.
LOL - People said the same thing about Sony when they brought out the Six-Axis. It has delivered nothing compared to the Wii and it makes you wonder what the point of Six-Axis is? Lets see what Sony does with this Six-Axis Mk2 device in the future and see if it measures up to Microsoft's Kinect.
There's a couple games out there that use Six Axis but it's not like it made the controller price any more expensive than the 360s so why bother bringing that up? It's a "free feature".
I dont think you quite got it. Microsoft did not have motion sensing. PS3 did and now they are bring out another. Why??? and this time you need 2 devices or sometime 3 to play one game. That was the point I was making.
Yea, you have a camera, motion controller and navigation controller which is essentially a DualShock 3 controller in another form. Wii has a sensor bar, wiimote, and the addition which can be nunchuck, classic controller, etc.
I revised my comment - please read. Thanks.
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Originally posted by TrinUK:
I dont think you quite got it. Microsoft did not have motion sensing. PS3 did and now they are bring out another. Why??? when they should have got it right in the first place and this time you need 2 devices or sometimes 3 to play one game. That was the point I was making. So with this in mind, the PS3 controller system has worked out to be more expensive than the 360. You also failed to mention that a second PS3 controller was released with the Dualshock feature absent from the first generation controllers. Woe unto those who want to play 2, 3 or 4 player Move games as it's gonna be a costly investment. :)
Kinect can only track 2 active people. Move can become expensive but so can the Wii. PS3 controller system is more expensive but you're able to play with 4 people at once. If you play with 2 people at once, it's the same price as Kinect with the additional controller. You can't compare SixAxis with Move, it's a different concept all together. SixAxis is only to enhance gameplay. It's not Sony's fault of devs don't use it. No multiplatform game uses it, the devs are to lazy. Almost all exclusive games use it.
Yes, DualShock 3 was absent in the first generation of PS3 controllers. The Xbox 360 lacked Wifi in the first 4 years of the console requiring you to buy a $100 adapter.
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13. December 2010 @ 14:50 |
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Originally posted by elfman12:
Kinect is anything but "a souped up EyeToy". The 3d resolving algorithms are already extraordinary, and will get better with more devs working with it.
Move is a good ball tracking system, yes. Why can't that be good enough, why belittle the Kinect which is a WHOLLY different approach to the issue?
I'm always wary when people belittle a competing device to support their fav. Especially in this situation. Look at the brochure-like comments above "first time real time Hollywood style motion tracking has ever been used by the masses" and "employs the same exact motion control technology they use for Hollywood movies"... while saying about Kinect "The Kinect just picks up movement period, not accurately either".
Yeah, right.
Trust me, kinect is crap.
It's very slow, I was at a party I tried it by myself and with kids, at best it's about 2-3 seconds behind what you actually do in the game.
9 times out of 10 it's purely by luck that the right thing happens correctly.
You can really only use it for about 5-10 mins pushing kids included because you get tired from jumping around the place.
The camera does nothing other than take photos while your using a game then displays the photos it's run out of space and then whinge about how you have to manually delete photos before it'll take more photos again in game, it takes about 15 photos per game play, so on an arcade you've used up all the memory with 30 photos.
That's in the adventures & the dance games.
The girls mainly got yellows in dancing but being kids don't understand that they aren't actually winning but loosing or failing about 98% of the time playing.
The adventures game in the rapids you'll jump but the game does nothing until a good 2-3 seconds later so you'll smash into logs and stuff rather than jump over them.
for the ball game you need to swing your arm before the ball actually rebounds off the back wall before you'll have any chance to hit the ball with your hand, other wise it's simply hitting your body maybe.
Also you'll need to clear about 15 meters of space for it to work correctly as it'll work poorly with a minim of 10 meters cleared.
by cleared I mean no tables below the kinect bar or your legs will be blocked, you can't be with-in 5 meters of the bar or it can't see you, same with being too far away, you need about 10 meter side by side cleared as well.
10 meters will only work for 1 person 15 meters will allow 2 people to work.
you really need a empty room with just a tv and kinect system setup you can't have any chairs in the way or around other wise you could smash into them.
so beside being really slow you need an empty room just for it to work correctly you'll need to correct amount of space for 1 person or more for 2 people.
until you've actually used it at a house you don't see how limited it really is.
I don' know why MS would actually push such a crap product for the sake of trying to complete with the Wii and Move systems.
many people and kids at the party ended up saying it was ok but most gave up after a while because your generally loosing and end up getting tired with in 5 mins also the gamnes get boring fairly quick as it's the same thing over and over like jumping or going side to side.
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Originally posted by core2kid:
Originally posted by TrinUK:
I dont think you quite got it. Microsoft did not have motion sensing. PS3 did and now they are bring out another. Why??? when they should have got it right in the first place and this time you need 2 devices or sometimes 3 to play one game. That was the point I was making. So with this in mind, the PS3 controller system has worked out to be more expensive than the 360. You also failed to mention that a second PS3 controller was released with the Dualshock feature absent from the first generation controllers. Woe unto those who want to play 2, 3 or 4 player Move games as it's gonna be a costly investment. :)
Kinect can only track 2 active people. Move can become expensive but so can the Wii. PS3 controller system is more expensive but you're able to play with 4 people at once. If you play with 2 people at once, it's the same price as Kinect with the additional controller. You can't compare SixAxis with Move, it's a different concept all together. SixAxis is only to enhance gameplay. It's not Sony's fault of devs don't use it. No multiplatform game uses it, the devs are to lazy. Almost all exclusive games use it.
Yes, DualShock 3 was absent in the first generation of PS3 controllers. The Xbox 360 lacked Wifi in the first 4 years of the console requiring you to buy a $100 adapter.
Warhawk warhound, use the motion controller part for the plane control, same with mony of the plane games on PS3, and many are multi platform.
burnout paradise PS3 can use it for steering it's not too bad but you have to get used to it, it works like a steering wheel would, you an use this in multiplayer.
You have little idea at how many games use it but many people don't want to use it while playing.
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Originally posted by xtago:
Originally posted by core2kid:
Originally posted by TrinUK:
I dont think you quite got it. Microsoft did not have motion sensing. PS3 did and now they are bring out another. Why??? when they should have got it right in the first place and this time you need 2 devices or sometimes 3 to play one game. That was the point I was making. So with this in mind, the PS3 controller system has worked out to be more expensive than the 360. You also failed to mention that a second PS3 controller was released with the Dualshock feature absent from the first generation controllers. Woe unto those who want to play 2, 3 or 4 player Move games as it's gonna be a costly investment. :)
Kinect can only track 2 active people. Move can become expensive but so can the Wii. PS3 controller system is more expensive but you're able to play with 4 people at once. If you play with 2 people at once, it's the same price as Kinect with the additional controller. You can't compare SixAxis with Move, it's a different concept all together. SixAxis is only to enhance gameplay. It's not Sony's fault of devs don't use it. No multiplatform game uses it, the devs are to lazy. Almost all exclusive games use it.
Yes, DualShock 3 was absent in the first generation of PS3 controllers. The Xbox 360 lacked Wifi in the first 4 years of the console requiring you to buy a $100 adapter.
Warhawk warhound, use the motion controller part for the plane control, same with mony of the plane games on PS3, and many are multi platform.
burnout paradise PS3 can use it for steering it's not too bad but you have to get used to it, it works like a steering wheel would, you an use this in multiplayer.
You have little idea at how many games use it but many people don't want to use it while playing.
When I said "Use it" I wanted to mean like require you to use it, not something where you could change from steering with the analog stick to Six Axis. Mainly games like Ratchet in the puzzles, Uncharaed in some missions etc.
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I just bought the kinect yesterday and i think it works really good the tracking is on point,i cant speak for move as i dont own one or played on one but i can speak on the wii it's better and more accurate,In my opinion just buy what you like.But for those that are saying kinect is inaccurate i dont understand it tracks motion almost spot on atleast for me it do.
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Originally posted by Se7ven:
I just bought the kinect yesterday and i think it works really good the tracking is on point,i cant speak for move as i dont own one or played on one but i can speak on the wii it's better and more accurate,In my opinion just buy what you like.But for those that are saying kinect is inaccurate i dont understand it tracks motion almost spot on atleast for me it do.
Really? I think the PS Move works really well.
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Originally posted by xtago:
Trust me, kinect is crap.
It's very slow,
The camera does nothing other than take photos while your using a game then displays the photos it's run out of space and then whinge about how you have to manually delete photos before it'll take more photos again in game, it takes about 15 photos per game play, so on an arcade you've used up all the memory with 30
Well, you ask me to trust you, then I read your critique.
I don't trust your judgment based on that.
I own a Kinect. I've used it over the last 5 weeks, had it at a family weekend over Thanksgiving, and everyone who played it loved it. Everyone seemed to have as much fun with it as with the Wii or a Rock Band party. Lots of exhausted laughing when finished, wanting to try a new game. Reading your review I get the picture of you as a person who would go up to a kid having fun with a Tickle-me-Elmo and telling them that they are stupid to like it, since it's only has a 16bit playback device in it. If it's not at least 24bit then FAIL!!!! <g>
The RGB camera does much more, including identifying you based on your face and automatically logging you into XBOX Live, and working as a face-aware zoom-able camera for video chat, using the RGB as an overlay on Fitness Evolved (adding realism to your onscreen avatar), and more. Yet you complain because a single game takes "too many photos" of you. Wow.
I'm sure you won't change your mind, I just want to make sure that your distortions are not used by others to make up their minds about Kinect. It's an amazing device. And your comments about the play space are much exaggerated, but space is needed. I have about 6' away from the TV cleared out, and it works fine. The more space the better, though, and I don't see much difference between space for this and space for "rowdy" Wii and Move games (in you're gonna move, you need the room. simple as that.)
And BTW, Move is great at what it does as well. I hope people who get one for Christmas really enjoy the great games that are out for it as well.
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Originally posted by elfman12:
Originally posted by xtago:
Trust me, kinect is crap.
It's very slow,
The camera does nothing other than take photos while your using a game then displays the photos it's run out of space and then whinge about how you have to manually delete photos before it'll take more photos again in game, it takes about 15 photos per game play, so on an arcade you've used up all the memory with 30
Well, you ask me to trust you, then I read your critique.
I don't trust your judgment based on that.
I own a Kinect. I've used it over the last 5 weeks, had it at a family weekend over Thanksgiving, and everyone who played it loved it. Everyone seemed to have as much fun with it as with the Wii or a Rock Band party. Lots of exhausted laughing when finished, wanting to try a new game. Reading your review I get the picture of you as a person who would go up to a kid having fun with a Tickle-me-Elmo and telling them that they are stupid to like it, since it's only has a 16bit playback device in it. If it's not at least 24bit then FAIL!!!! <g>
The RGB camera does much more, including identifying you based on your face and automatically logging you into XBOX Live, and working as a face-aware zoom-able camera for video chat, using the RGB as an overlay on Fitness Evolved (adding realism to your onscreen avatar), and more. Yet you complain because a single game takes "too many photos" of you. Wow.
I'm sure you won't change your mind, I just want to make sure that your distortions are not used by others to make up their minds about Kinect. It's an amazing device. And your comments about the play space are much exaggerated, but space is needed. I have about 6' away from the TV cleared out, and it works fine. The more space the better, though, and I don't see much difference between space for this and space for "rowdy" Wii and Move games (in you're gonna move, you need the room. simple as that.)
And BTW, Move is great at what it does as well. I hope people who get one for Christmas really enjoy the great games that are out for it as well.
The Kinects camera specs suck, that's why it lags. I also bet Kinect's performance depends on your background. If you're playing with a white background behind you, it's gonna be amazing. If you have picture frames or an incomplete wall or another room say behind you, it won't work as well.
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Originally posted by core2kid:
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Also more people have Xbox 360s so take a percentage of 360 owners with Move and a percentage of PS3 owners with move and I bet you the Move percentage will be higher.
The kinect console bundle is out selling the move console bundle 5:1... that means that people with neither console are opting for the kinect
Nice! Hey, I can pull info out of my rear end too!
BMWs are outselling Toyotas 10:1
Also the Kinect bundle is $100 less. An everyday buyer is gonna get the 360 with Kinect thinking that they are getting a better deal. They'll come home, hook up the console to online and enjoy it. In a month, they'll be running out to get a flash drive or new hard drive. There is a $400 Kinect bundle but nobody sells that at a decent price (console + kinect separately is cheaper)
Don't tell me the "Patcher said this" BS. He's been wrong 95% of the time.
Reason Kinect is selling more is because people have trust in 360. They've done so many things right that people have trust in Microsoft. All those people are overlooking the ridiculous failure rate, scratching of discs, noise, external power supply, etc. People looked at PS3 at release and saw a $600 price tag and said "Sony sucks", then they saw the YLOD and were like "really sony?" and finally they looked at PS3s online and continued to make fun of it. They didn't look at the fact that for $300, you get so much more.
Originally posted by bankai987:
Man, I hate fan-boys, I really do. I propose a new rule to after dawn if your a fan-boy then you are banned. Both consoles are very good and have their own unique nuances that entertain and that's why I have both. Fighting over which is better or sold more is just stupid. Why do people fight for companies that they do not have any stock in I have no clue. But I know one thing Sony and Microsoft are laughing all the way to the bank.
If you're hinting that I'm a fan-boy, think again. Look at my signature, I have consoles from every manufacturer. I have 3 360s and 3 PS3s. I'll tell you straight out that playing online is identical on both systems except. There's games like Black Ops which suck on PSN but that's obviously Treyarch sucking at life because MW2 and everything else I've played works fine. Xbox 360 has the "goodies" which PS3 has too, Xbox just has a couple more. If someone judges a console by just the online portion, in my opinion, they're truly retarded.
For people pulling out the "360 has more games". Both consoles have the same number of games coming out now. Most games are multiplatform. For those on 360 that are like "We have Gears of War!" hey, we have Uncharted, Ratchet, Resistance, etc. Only reason 360s game library is greater is because it was out a year longer. It's like PS2s game library vs Xbox and Gamecube.
Now for my favorite. The people who say "You get a better deal with 360". Those people are legit retarded. PS3 has 100% PS1 backwards compatibility, the ability to upgrade the hard drive to a generic one, BluRay, a PlayStation Store which is much easier to use than Xbox's dash garbage (All my friends with a 360 agree here), built in Wifi from the start, the ability to play media files off a flash drive (PS3 can play more file types) and the ability to copy media files from an external device to the PS3s hard drive.
The reason I'm so pissed off is not because I'm a fanboy. It's because of all the news and how it goes against PS3. There's never any good news about the PS3, theres the news like "New Firmware Update" which people frown upon because it takes time to install, eliminates the possibility for homebrew, and won't let you go online until you install it. Might I add that Xbox 360 does the same thing except their updates take a lot less time. That doesn't bother me, PS3's firmware is a lot more complicated than 360s. The other article I remember is "PS3s getting the YLOD" Holy crap you're gonna report on that but not 360s RROD?
First of all, I never called you a fan boy, it was general. I never called out a individual in particular. You are asserting something that I never said. If your not a fan boy then my post wasn't directed towards you. I was just stating what I was seeing through out the thread. however, there are fan boys and the proof is in the posts. i.e. ps3 is greater than x box or vice verse. I am fully aware that some people on this forum can be objective like yourself.
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14. December 2010 @ 11:13 |
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Originally posted by elfman12:
Originally posted by kikzm33z:
@Elfman
You're implying that Kinect is accurate? Yeah right!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWbLOFGSEDo
Yes, in what it does it works well. You are comparing a device that tracks a fixed point in space (Move) with a device that tracks and can accurately map a human skeletal system (using an TGB as well as 3D cameras).
Those are not the same thing.
For single pinpoint precision, Move has a great solution. For something entirely different, Kinect hasn't even hit it's stride yet. Again, they have different objectives, but YOU only measure them by Move's strength. Feel free to do that, but it's a pointless argument.
I don't understand.
I am comparing both products and Move is clearly more accurate because of its controls and that's a positive point for it.
What you're saying is something like, 'Hey, Kinect doesn't need controllers but we can't add that as an argument because Move uses controllers.'
And obviously the lack of controllers for the Kinect is a positive point but since it's different to the Move, you're saying that it's not comparable because it's different.
If that was the case, then the word 'comparison' would never have existed.
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14. December 2010 @ 11:40 |
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Originally posted by kikzm33z:
Originally posted by elfman12:
Originally posted by kikzm33z:
@Elfman
You're implying that Kinect is accurate? Yeah right!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWbLOFGSEDo
Yes, in what it does it works well. You are comparing a device that tracks a fixed point in space (Move) with a device that tracks and can accurately map a human skeletal system (using an TGB as well as 3D cameras).
Those are not the same thing.
For single pinpoint precision, Move has a great solution. For something entirely different, Kinect hasn't even hit it's stride yet. Again, they have different objectives, but YOU only measure them by Move's strength. Feel free to do that, but it's a pointless argument.
I don't understand.
I am comparing both products and Move is clearly more accurate because of its controls and that's a positive point for it.
What you're saying is something like, 'Hey, Kinect doesn't need controllers but we can't add that as an argument because Move uses controllers.'
And obviously the lack of controllers for the Kinect is a positive point but since it's different to the Move, you're saying that it's not comparable because it's different.
If that was the case, then the word 'comparison' would never have existed.
If that's the case, this news article shouldn't have been published in the first place.
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14. December 2010 @ 16:45 |
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Exactly.
Both were made to compete and to be compared and Move's better accuracy is one of its argument and shouldn't be disregarded of just because Kinect doesn't have controllers to compete with Move's precision.
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14. December 2010 @ 17:18 |
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Originally posted by kikzm33z:
Exactly.
Both were made to compete and to be compared and Move's better accuracy is one of its argument and shouldn't be disregarded of just because Kinect doesn't have controllers to compete with Move's precision.
Move is like a mouse, Kinect is like a Mac touchpad.
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14. December 2010 @ 18:40 |
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Originally posted by core2kid:
If you're playing with a white background behind you, it's gonna be amazing. If you have picture frames or an incomplete wall or another room say behind you, it won't work as well.
Nope, I have dark furniture as a background and a doorway to another room.
And the camera doesn't "lag".
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