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Sony: Geohot fled to South America
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The following comments relate to this news article:
article published on 23 March, 2011
According to VGHQ, George 'Geohot' Hotz has fled to South America in an effort to avoid handing over his possessions to Sony.
Furthermore, Sony has caught Geohot lying on record, outing his PSN account which he claimed did not exist.
Sony's official document in the case, Sony Computer Entertainment America LLC v. Hotz reads:
Though the evidence establishing personal jurisdiction ... [ read the full article ]
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MrZoolook
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27. March 2011 @ 19:36 |
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Originally posted by ZippyDSM:
Sorry for the repost I tend to finish a post after I endt it acouple times LOL
No problem, I done a few of those myself in this very thread. Am also guilty of hijacking threads (again, as here).
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But my point is you were forced as its the only thing going there is not a real open source setup with that kind of qaulity and options in it.The 360 and PS3 ,WII are all essentially the same.
Are you saying now that a company should not be able to enforce their agreements unless there are - say - 5 alternatives..? 6..? 7..? What number of alternatives should be the minimum until an agreement should be enforced?
Though I don't claim to religiously follow IP/console based news stories, I can't recall X-Box or Wii users being hounded to THIS degree regarding reverse engineering or hacking of their consoles. Maybe the agreements for X-Box or Wii is more favourable then PS3, or maybe people are just going out their way to hack PS3 because they are pissed off that Sony took out the rather excellent ability to install other OSs? I don't know... Whatever. Now while I admit its far from conclusive, if I am right regarding the more relaxed X-Box and Wii, then use them and modify if you wish with less fear of reprisals.
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It dose not matter if you buy one or not
Rubbish... You can't break the PS3 agreement if you don't buy or own a PS3. I would say that's a pretty fundamental concept.
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the only chocies you have come with a very grumpy balled and fat ex cop whose now a laywer look for knees thump because the suits need more cocaine.
The choice where you don't accept the agreement does not come with a bald grumpy .... etc!
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MrZoolook
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27. March 2011 @ 19:54 |
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Originally posted by ZippyDSM:
So you want to nit pick...let me ask you this then, how many poeple only consume books, magiznses or news paper? ONLY?
How mnay people choose to not watch TV anymore because the price and cost of it is not worth the money nor the time wasted?
Choosing between a rotten banna,apple or orange in a barrel the size of the world is not choice. The system is set up so most people fallow the person in front of them its just what humans do if this were not the case there would be real damage being done to the media industry across the board but in fact they are making more money than ever, so limiting out rights and freedoms and our consumers rights is a loss loss for us ALL..
There is the ultimate freedom of choice you seem to have forgot. If your unhappy with rotten fruit... grow your own!
None of the companies mentioned or inferred sprang up with a magic wand. Why not create your own console and waiver your rights to enforce an agreement as you see fit.
Impractical? No money? No time? No space? <insert excuse here>?
So your unwilling to put in the decades of effort the founders of these companies put into developing their goods... and you won't ever know what its like to have people spit in your face when you try to protect your investment.
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27. March 2011 @ 21:09 |
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After reading all of the posts. WOW!
E.U.L.A.'s are wrong! They are supposed to be a contract. The only problem here is they are not. Under contract law. All contracts are negotiable. You can't negotiate an E.U.L.A. It is follow said corporations rules or you can't use the product you lawfully purchased. I apologize if this offends anyone but if I have no avenue to negotiate. I WILL BREAK ANY AND EVERY E.U.L.A. that I come across. (I probably have anyway) Because I have no choice to agree to their terms or not use it. So I will use it as I see fit because I had no way of negotiating the contract. Said contract is null and void if both parties can't contribute to said binding agreement.
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28. March 2011 @ 00:40 |
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Originally posted by MrZoolook:
Originally posted by ZippyDSM:
So you want to nit pick...let me ask you this then, how many poeple only consume books, magiznses or news paper? ONLY?
How mnay people choose to not watch TV anymore because the price and cost of it is not worth the money nor the time wasted?
Choosing between a rotten banna,apple or orange in a barrel the size of the world is not choice. The system is set up so most people fallow the person in front of them its just what humans do if this were not the case there would be real damage being done to the media industry across the board but in fact they are making more money than ever, so limiting out rights and freedoms and our consumers rights is a loss loss for us ALL..
There is the ultimate freedom of choice you seem to have forgot. If your unhappy with rotten fruit... grow your own!
None of the companies mentioned or inferred sprang up with a magic wand. Why not create your own console and waiver your rights to enforce an agreement as you see fit.
Impractical? No money? No time? No space? <insert excuse here>?
So your unwilling to put in the decades of effort the founders of these companies put into developing their goods... and you won't ever know what its like to have people spit in your face when you try to protect your investment.
So it comes down to consume or be very unpractical.
Sorry but you can only have one practical way to deal with CP issues and that is to limit monetary flow around distribution to to legal and licensed operations. Anything remaining(minus like 70% of current illicitly funded file sharing) is practically the realm of fans,students of life and creative people(fan fiction). Hardware falls under patent law and you ca make up shit to protect it the only protection that you have and should have is hacking into the server.
Anything else goes beyond fair and equal rights into draconian to protect those in power.
Copyright infringement is nothing more than civil disobedience to a bad set of laws. Lets renegotiate them.
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TrinUK
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28. March 2011 @ 05:47 |
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I wonder if Sony will sue car owners if they use Non Sony speakers with their stereo unit? Court papers will state "violation of product terms and conditions. The documentation states that the stereo should be used in conjunction with Sony speakers". LOL
This case is actually quite worrying and dangerous because Sony will apply tough rules to all their products for law suite purposes. The consumer is officially done for! It would have been friendlier and cheaper to create a Homebrew channel for users to develop safe "screened" software for all to use freely.
I really hope Microsoft get the hardware right and the reliability in their next console to put Sony down a few pegs. Or Sega comes back to whoop Sony's cranium.
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adre02
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28. March 2011 @ 11:17 |
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Originally posted by MrZoolook:
It would also take a very short amount of time for an anarchical society as you have projected to have no-one left in it, since they would all have moved out to a far more lawful place to live. As would I.
What exactly are you referring to? The society which I have projected? I do not have to project this society, it exist in every borough, in every state in every country...leave this be. I suspect that my position gives me the ability to make an authoritative judgment in this area where as I am 95% sure that yours does not. If you want to become a nomad, have at it. Lack of existence is where many societies are headed, give it 200 years or so.
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I am the type of individual that actually bothers to read what contracts I enter into, and should I find the contract does not fit with what I want or need, I will not enter the contract.
Fair enough, I will grant you that if you ACTUALLY do this. You are rare, say, 20% of the population will do this unless it is considering a substantial purchase, say house, car, but as we know, many do not even do it then...agree? I think what you may have missed in my rant, considering this specific tidbit, is that many (especially considering a pS3) could care less what the EULA says. And many would laugh at you and me both if we stated that you cannot do xyz to/on for the PS3 if you agree to purchase it. And, honestly, I would not blame them either. It all goes back to the severity of the breach. If the punishment is serious enough, people listen; however, with SONY it is not. So, i.e. laughter ensues.
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Maybe, maybe not... I suspect they will, but again... until they do, they have the right to enforce whatever terms they see fit, and the consumer has the right to turn down those terms and not use the product... ergo, the consumer is not FORCED into anything.
They can try to enforce whatever, you are correct here. As my point stands, it will not deter any mischief concerning the PS3. You are barking up the wrong tree with many of your responses and type of responses because I have yet to mention that SONY does not have the right to protect their intellectual rights.
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You shouldn't judge everyone by your own standards. I am certainly not holier then thou, but I do (and I can't understand why I need to repeat this yet again) READ THE CONTRACTS I SIGN BEFORE I SIGN THEM... and I don't sign up for anything that does not agree with me. Consider it OPT-IN rather then OPT-OUT. I make a concious decision to only sign up for what I accept the terms of. PS3 hackers appear to lean towards opt-out, in that they just accept any old agreement, and only when problems arise, do they actually bother to think about what they are signed in to.
I am not judging everyone, just you. You should not sign anything which you do not agree with; you are right.
However, many hackers look at it as i stated before. The severity of the punishment holds little weight, so they laugh at it. It's akin to not being able to consume alcoholic beverages under the age of 21, usually, this is shrugged off. It has nothing to do with a realization after a problem arises. Most hackers KNOW BEFOREHAND that they are breaking the law. It does not matter. Again, you are barking up the wrong tree with your statement. Direct your argument at someone who thinks if you sign a contract, you have the right to break it or blindly signs a contract. I never stated that was my position. I did state that I laughed at the EULA and ignored it though that does not say that i feel i have a lawful RIGHT to break it.
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adre02
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28. March 2011 @ 11:26 |
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MrZoolook:::So your unwilling to put in the decades of effort the founders of these companies put into developing their goods... and you won't ever know what its like to have people spit in your face when you try to protect your investment.
Are you trying to make a joke? A debater you are, a comedian, you are not.
So you seriously believe that SONY and MICROSOFT, are successful due to their creations being %100 original and not one iota of it being stolen? Excuse me, borrowed as they have so eloquently put it. They have done excellent at perfecting stolen ideas...i will give you that one.
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adre02
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28. March 2011 @ 11:31 |
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Originally posted by MrZoolook:
There is the ultimate freedom of choice you seem to have forgot. If your unhappy with rotten fruit... grow your own!
Or be forced to eat the rotten fruit, or choose to escape the bonds and go without the fruit. Seems like a great choice there...why on earth would a person even argue.
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adre02
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28. March 2011 @ 11:35 |
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So did SONY say that this guy "FLED" to south africa? Those are terms that are usually used to describe someone or something leaving without haste in order to avoid something forthcoming.
Sounds like a bit of defamation of character.
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28. March 2011 @ 11:35 |
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Originally posted by adre02:
Originally posted by MrZoolook:
There is the ultimate freedom of choice you seem to have forgot. If your unhappy with rotten fruit... grow your own!
Or be forced to eat the rotten fruit, or choose to escape the bonds and go without the fruit. Seems like a great choice there...why on earth would a person even argue.
That is how it really works and people who think there is real choice in it or politics need are the pure definition of sane and mundane... because insanity is normal.
Copyright infringement is nothing more than civil disobedience to a bad set of laws. Lets renegotiate them.
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28. March 2011 @ 15:24 |
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Live Free or Die.
The rule above all the rules is: Survive !
Capitalism: Funnel most of the $$$ to the already rich.
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Gnawnivek
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29. March 2011 @ 14:02 |
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Originally posted by lissenup3:
WOW! People killing others, burglarizing others, raping others, stealing other's identity, political corruption on a MASSIVE scale that has caused financial downfalls and poverty............and Sony can't stop wasting their F'ing time on someone that showed others how to manipulate a product they rightfully purchased.
How is this essentially any different from buying a PC with an OS and software already loaded on it to run something else that may or may not run pirated software in addition to running homemade applications????
This is the dumbest thing I read today... What does raping, killing, burglarizing have anything to do with Sony? Wasting money? Certainly! But so do the rest of us... Wasting time, wasting money on things we don't need, on things harmful to mother Earth... Why can't you spend that kind of energy on something that's constructive then? Because it's in your interest to do what you want to do.
As to how's this any different from running pirated software on PC... Well, other than Sony is making a big scene at the moment, not much difference.
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MrZoolook
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30. March 2011 @ 00:06 |
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Originally posted by adre02:
So did SONY say that this guy "FLED" to south africa? Those are terms that are usually used to describe someone or something leaving without haste in order to avoid something forthcoming.
From what I understand, he has gone on a pre-booked holiday...
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Sounds like a bit of defamation of character.
The phrase "No news is good news" springs to mind. I would also suspect embellishment by media headline makers and not Sony.
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4. April 2011 @ 04:27 |
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Live Free or Die.
The rule above all the rules is: Survive !
Capitalism: Funnel most of the $$$ to the already rich.
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TrinUK
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4. April 2011 @ 05:11 |
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I really hope SEGA pays close attention to this. It might be a good time to get revenge on the Playstation brand by re-introducing the Dreamcast (Dreamcast 2 with Other OS and Homebrew!!
LOL
I bet the plonkers rest on their laurels and miss out on a golden opportunity.
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seegee
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17. April 2011 @ 21:45 |
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Wow that's a lot of comments... Bottom line, if you don't like the EULA, why are you purchasing the product? sony products are not essential and there are alternatives.
That being said, go George go ! Head to south america and become the digital Zoro that will wage war on sony for ripping off so many customers.
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airman
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17. April 2011 @ 22:40 |
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I haven't purchased a Sony product since the their Root Kit slipping it to the customers and they got off without even having to address all the computers than had to be completely reloaded at the consumers expense. Of course their attitude toward the "uneducated" customers just added to my opinion.
Oh yah, they did give out replacement CDs when they should have had to pay for reloading all of those computers they screwed up.
OTOH many of these EULAs that allow the publisher to change the terms any time they want would not hold up in few courts outside of California.
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airman
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17. April 2011 @ 22:50 |
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Don't forget they reserve the right to change the EULA at any time without telling the customer.
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TrinUK
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19. April 2011 @ 04:23 |
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Originally posted by seegee:
Wow that's a lot of comments... Bottom line, if you don't like the EULA, why are you purchasing the product? sony products are not essential and there are alternatives.
That being said, go George go ! Head to south america and become the digital Zoro that will wage war on sony for ripping off so many customers.
Just wait until companies start slapping Eula's to food and domestic products claiming they have the right to raid your cupboards at anytime due to the software used to design and print the labels on your items. Ha ha ha....
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Gnawnivek
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19. April 2011 @ 09:54 |
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Originally posted by TrinUK:
Originally posted by seegee:
Wow that's a lot of comments... Bottom line, if you don't like the EULA, why are you purchasing the product? sony products are not essential and there are alternatives.
That being said, go George go ! Head to south america and become the digital Zoro that will wage war on sony for ripping off so many customers.
Just wait until companies start slapping Eula's to food and domestic products claiming they have the right to raid your cupboards at anytime due to the software used to design and print the labels on your items. Ha ha ha....
I don't find that funny because there are psychos out there do that to the food/water items we consume. Remember the incident where this guy used syringe to puncher those water bottles in the supermarket? Craps like that scared the heck out everybody. With PSN from Sony, the worse case is you can't play games or watch movies/shows online. With food items, people can die from tampering (hacking?). So, don't even try to use that kind of analogy and you know what? I don't mind if the FDA comes to my house raid the tampered food items just because someone violated EULA. I know I won't tamper with my food, end of discussion.
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TrinUK
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19. April 2011 @ 10:38 |
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Originally posted by Gnawnivek:
Originally posted by TrinUK:
Originally posted by seegee:
Wow that's a lot of comments... Bottom line, if you don't like the EULA, why are you purchasing the product? sony products are not essential and there are alternatives.
That being said, go George go ! Head to south america and become the digital Zoro that will wage war on sony for ripping off so many customers.
Just wait until companies start slapping Eula's to food and domestic products claiming they have the right to raid your cupboards at anytime due to the software used to design and print the labels on your items. Ha ha ha....
I don't find that funny because there are psychos out there do that to the food/water items we consume. Remember the incident where this guy used syringe to puncher those water bottles in the supermarket? Craps like that scared the heck out everybody. With PSN from Sony, the worse case is you can't play games or watch movies/shows online. With food items, people can die from tampering (hacking?). So, don't even try to use that kind of analogy and you know what? I don't mind if the FDA comes to my house raid the tampered food items just because someone violated EULA. I know I won't tamper with my food, end of discussion.
I agree about the water incident, that was very serious but comment wasnt in regards to that incident. We are not far off from things getting real bad. Monsanto adding patents to seeds is evidence of this. Then Sony claiming we dont really own our products along with others? Its just a matter of time before we get there!
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Gnawnivek
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19. April 2011 @ 14:09 |
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Peace!
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