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Microsoft to beta test new Xbox 360 disc format
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article published on 29 March, 2011
Microsoft is seeking volunteers for a beta of a new Xbox 360 disc format.
"We are conducting an open call for US based participants for a public preview to help us prepare for an updated Xbox 360 disc format," Major Nelson (Larry Hryb) announced today.
The Xbox 360 currently uses the DVD format for its video game titles. Sony opted for Blu-ray for the PS3, which can hold vastly more ... [ read the full article ]
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biglo30
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29. March 2011 @ 19:17 |
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Hmm I wonder what they are planning.
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29. March 2011 @ 19:34 |
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I applied, crossing fingers.
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29. March 2011 @ 19:47 |
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Gotta be going to Blu Ray. Unless they are gonna try and push HD-DVD AGAIN...
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29. March 2011 @ 20:14 |
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Hm.. I wonder how this going to work because you need blu ray drive for this to work because dvd drive uses red laser and blu ray drive uses blue and red lasers... and if I'm correct, there's no blue laser bultin the dvd drive... if it's not blu ray then I wonder what format they would be using.
The Xbox 360 currently uses DVD-9 format discs, which are single-side discs capable of holding 7.95 gigabytes of data. Nelson would not say what disc format Microsoft is moving to, but it's possible the company would like to upgrade to DVD-18, which is a basically a two-sided DVD-9
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29. March 2011 @ 20:27 |
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Originally posted by DarthMopar:
Gotta be going to Blu Ray. Unless they are gonna try and push HD-DVD AGAIN...
They want current xbox owners to test a new format that rules bl out as it would require ms to provide a blu ray player of some sort & then you'd need an update to the 360 so it would know how to drive it then theirs the output factor,they also mentioned they would never use hd dvd as a game disc only for movies ,so if they want testers to use their current 360's it has to be a media it can read with it's current rom right now which to me is a new version of a dl disc of some sort maybe a 3 layer disc ? well that's my 5c worth & i'll throw that in the ring anyway
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29. March 2011 @ 21:18 |
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Probably a more than dual layer dvd.
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29. March 2011 @ 21:40 |
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I think they are doing this to make it harder for people to backup their games by using their consumers as lab rats. I bet if they do give people out a disc, it will probably brick their systems like ACB did. Who cares about getting a free copy of Halo Reach, most people already bought it.
I might be far fetch because I'm a skeptical person, but it seems very odd on why they are doing this because we know it's not for Blu-ray since their competitors (sony) has that and HD-DVD is long gone years ago so I'm not sure why anyone would bring that up.
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29. March 2011 @ 21:58 |
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Originally posted by xaznboitx:
Hm.. I wonder how this going to work because you need blu ray drive for this to work because dvd drive uses red laser and blu ray drive uses blue and red lasers... and if I'm correct, there's no blue laser bultin the dvd drive... if it's not blu ray then I wonder what format they would be using.
The Xbox 360 currently uses DVD-9 format discs, which are single-side discs capable of holding 7.95 gigabytes of data. Nelson would not say what disc format Microsoft is moving to, but it's possible the company would like to upgrade to DVD-18, which is a basically a two-sided DVD-9
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External Drive??
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29. March 2011 @ 22:12 |
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it WILL NOT be a DVD 18, there cost more than two double layer DVD's, offer the same amount of storage sppace, and one side will ALWAYS be getting scratched, and the user would have a hell of a time figuring out which side is side one, and no one would know which game is printed on each disc, as there are no labels, it's a big fat bag of, Hell No!
an external BD drive? possible, but unlikely
Microsoft using Quad Layer DVD, possible.
Microsoft moving the Layer Break and compressing the SystemUpdates, so they can access unused space before, Higly Likely
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29. March 2011 @ 22:21 |
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i'm thinking all the dots connect, DVD's are VERY Rearely sold, by themself, now there being sold in "Combo Pack's" which include the BD aswell, Microsoft partnered with Samsung, for The Xbox 360 Slim DVD Drive (i'm not sure which drive, i think it's the new slim drives) who happens to be the biggest Blu Ray Player Manufacturer, they recently said for the millionth time, that there will be now blu Ray player for the Xbox 360, but there are no rumors of an Xbox 360 DVD Drive, AND sony put in ALOT of money pushing Blu Ray, i'm thinking they handed MS a nice check, to include BD in the current Xbox, which leads me to speculate, that they *MIGHT* release a External BD Drive
but regardless, i'm finda wondering if there testing the waters for the Xbox 720, but they would do that, in there locked down labs, so idk
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29. March 2011 @ 22:36 |
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They are probably just going to a quad layer DVD...it would be very hard to sell games on blueray if 90% of your owners did not have a blueray drive.
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29. March 2011 @ 22:43 |
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Maybe they might be doing like sega did with the dreamcast's gdrom.
"GD-ROM (an abbreviation of "giga disk read-only memory") is the proprietary optical disc format used by the Dreamcast home console, as well as its arcade counterparts and the Sega/Nintendo/Namco Triforce arcade system. It is similar to the standard CD-ROM except that the pits on the disc are packed more closely together, resulting in a higher storage capacity: around 1.2 gigabytes, which is almost double the storage capacity of a typical CD-ROM."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GD-ROM
By doing this, they would be able to make more room on the discs.
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29. March 2011 @ 22:48 |
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yes, but the disc's would have to be custom made, and which DVD Drives would be able to read it?
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29. March 2011 @ 22:57 |
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GD-ROMS use red laser just like dvds/cds do. The only reason why GD-ROMS are not readable by any drive but the dreamcast is because Sega made it where the disc's have a ring half way through them. The ring say's produced by or under license from sega on it. The dreamcast is programed to skip this sector and continue on to where game data is kept.
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29. March 2011 @ 23:01 |
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ok dude, go ahead and continue talking about how awesome the dreamcast disc, i doubt Microsoft will do that, it would be MUCH easier to make a 4 layer DVD,
regardless of opinions, we won;t know until new disc's are pressed with this new format, or until someone leaks an image of the Halo reach disc, with this new tech
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29. March 2011 @ 23:31 |
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It actually might be cheaper for MS to do something familiar to what sega did. They could use the same dvd discs that they are using now, they would just be encoded differently. By doing this, the disc would still be readable by the 360(with a system update), but be a hell of a lot harder to duplicate by any one else but MS due to the fact that the disc would have a toc that is not normal for a ordinary dvd disc. Sanyo found away to this with standard cdr's in 2002. They made it where anyone with there program, could create a cdr with 1.4gb worth of data on it. The disc could be read by anyone with there program. http://www.afterdawn.com/news/article.cfm/2002/09/25/sanyo_doubles_cd-r_capacity_with_hd-burn
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29. March 2011 @ 23:43 |
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Originally posted by KillerBug:
They are probably just going to a quad layer DVD...it would be very hard to sell games on blueray if 90% of your owners did not have a blueray drive.
This is 100% correct, it wouldn't make any business sense; plus Microsoft has said on several occasions that they won't do Blu-Ray on the 360. If they can firmware update all 360s to read quad-layer DVDs that would give them almost the same amount of storage as a SL Blu-Ray.
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30. March 2011 @ 00:49 |
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If it weren't for AD I'd miss out on so many offers :] Hopefully they accept me. I just like to try out new stuff. I never did get a chrome notebook =[
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30. March 2011 @ 01:07 |
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Originally posted by 21Q:
If it weren't for AD I'd miss out on so many offers :] Hopefully they accept me. I just like to try out new stuff. I never did get a chrome notebook =[
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30. March 2011 @ 01:41 |
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on the fly compression, no doubt. it requires no new hardware, and is as simple as a firmware update.
i foresee a shit storm of issues on older x360's, the newer ones should be able to handle it, though.
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30. March 2011 @ 01:55 |
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Thanks for the heads up, I was curious as to what format it would be in so I applied. I knew it couldn't be BluRay or HD DVD because they need separate drives for those.
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30. March 2011 @ 04:08 |
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inb4 new disc protection, seeing as they are losing the piracy war, badly.
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30. March 2011 @ 10:40 |
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From a practical view and sensible one........MS should just bite the bullet and use Blu-ray. Just because HD-DVD got stomped (sadly I might add) doesn't mean a business sense of practicality can't be used.
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30. March 2011 @ 11:49 |
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Would not be too hard to do a triple layer disc that can be read on normal dual layer players. You could get 2-4GB out of it I would be surprised if they could do a 4 layer DVD at around 18GB.
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30. March 2011 @ 11:56 |
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Originally posted by ZippyDSM:
Would not be too hard to do a triple layer disc that can be read on normal dual layer players. You could get 2-4GB out of it I would be surprised if they could do a 4 layer DVD at around 18GB.
In theory yes but I'm guessing that's harder than you think because it would have probably been implemented by now rather than using blue lasers.
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