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'Anonymous' stops its assault on PSN
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article published on 8 April, 2011
After days of assaulting the PSN (more info here), the hacking group 'Anonymous' has decided to change up its plan of attack, to one that will not affect Sony customers as much.
Says the group:
During the last few days, Anonymous has been targeting Sony for their outrageous treatment of not only PS3 users and jailbreakers, but also of the general public. Their propaganda regarding ... [ read the full article ]
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8. April 2011 @ 17:28 |
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Someone has mommy issues.
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8. April 2011 @ 18:39 |
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8. April 2011 @ 18:51 |
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We are not aiming to attack customers of Sony
An attack on sony is an attack on its customers.
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8. April 2011 @ 20:53 |
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attacking sony in anyway is attacking sony customers. so if sony will not do what they want do they want to put sony out of bussness? then what go after ms? and after that who will make the games? who will make the software and hardware? who would want to?why jailbraek? jailbraeking does lead to piracy! if you made a game and spent tons of money to make it and spent all your time on it only to sell one copy of it and have the world make copys of it what would you do? everyone knows what jailbraeking leads to anyone who says it doesnt lead to piracy is full of themselfs. dont like what sony is doing then dont buy sony. besides thought everyone hates the ps3 becuase the xbox is better?
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8. April 2011 @ 21:13 |
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and after that who will make the games? who will make the software and hardware?
Trust me, Microsoft and Sony are absolutely NOT the only companies interested in making games. They just want as much money as they can possibly accumulate, regardless of who they take it from, or how they acquire it.
I'd love to see those two go down, to be replaced with companies which place the interests of their customers, and people in general, first, and make all other interests and endeavors secondary. There ARE companies like this out there. Companies like Microsoft and Sony tend to squash them, so you rarely ever hear of them.
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8. April 2011 @ 22:42 |
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The whole fact here is sony coming up with a new patch or anything??
but also does it not seems they are attacking the credit card companies. go figure
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8. April 2011 @ 23:46 |
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I never had a problem, so they must've only affected a few spots.
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8. April 2011 @ 23:53 |
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Originally posted by cazer:
attacking sony in anyway is attacking sony customers. so if sony will not do what they want do they want to put sony out of bussness? then what go after ms? and after that who will make the games? who will make the software and hardware? who would want to?why jailbraek? jailbraeking does lead to piracy! if you made a game and spent tons of money to make it and spent all your time on it only to sell one copy of it and have the world make copys of it what would you do? everyone knows what jailbraeking leads to anyone who says it doesnt lead to piracy is full of themselfs. dont like what sony is doing then dont buy sony. besides thought everyone hates the ps3 becuase the xbox is better?
Thank you for the typical Sony fanboy response.
"attacking sony in anyway is attacking sony customers" - That is like saying that tackling a terrorist is the same as attacking his victims.
"so if sony will not do what they want do they want to put sony out of bussness?" - No, they want to teach Sony that their actions have consequences...they might get away with removing otherOS...but they will pay dearly in many different ways. The next time they want to f**k their customers just for a laugh, they might at least think twice.
"then what go after ms? and after that who will make the games?" - If microsoft started doing things half as bad as sony has been doing, then I would say that they should be next. As for who will make the games, microsoft and sony actually make very few games...they make game consoles...but anyone can make a game console.
"jailbraeking does lead to piracy" - Jailbreaking just brings a few PC functions to the system. The PC is a prime piracy platform right out of the box...if you have an issue with jailbreaking, you should also have an issue with every PC manufacturer on earth.
"if you made a game and spent tons of money to make it and spent all your time on it only to sell one copy of it and have the world make copys of it what would you do?" - If you make a good game, it will sell...even if people are pirating it, it will still sell. If this wasn't the case, then the PC game market would be limited to free flash-based games.
"dont like what sony is doing then dont buy sony."
Great, I will just get in my time machine, go back 4 years, and stop myself from buying my PS3, 2 extra controllers, a ton of other accessories, and about 100 games. I mean, how else do I avoid buying something that I purchased years ago when Sony was cool about homebrew and before they removed homebrew support, forcing hackers to add it back (and because they had to break sony security to do it, they also opened the doors to potential pirates). This is the whole point of the OtherOS lawsuit; almost no one ever imagined that sony might remove OtherOS...and the rest were reassured that it would always be there...by SONY!
"besides thought everyone hates the ps3 becuase the xbox is better?" - I don't know where that came from...the PS3 is like a supercomputer (or at least several of them together = a supercomputer.) Before OtherOS was removed, the PS3 was the king, at least in my opinion. Really the only thing that the xbox360 had that I wanted was Forza...and I much prefer GT5 now that it is finally out.
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9. April 2011 @ 11:54 |
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Well ain't that something. First you start something without realising there would be some unintended consequences to your actions. Come on now, might as well do some collateral damage while you're at it. Any business suing it's customers because they don't approve of the way they use or modify their products to make it better isn't worth my time. I'll go with a different platform.
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9. April 2011 @ 13:52 |
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glad i haven't bought Phony for years
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9. April 2011 @ 14:06 |
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Well aside from $ony bashing I would say anyone associated with Anonymous still isn't very bright...There is way too much heat and it's getting hotter every day. Unless that is you are wanting to get vanned. Course that would make you a moron anyway so nevermind...lol
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Originally posted by dEwMe:
Well aside from $ony bashing I would say anyone associated with Anonymous still isn't very bright...There is way too much heat and it's getting hotter every day. Unless that is you are wanting to get vanned. Course that would make you a moron anyway so nevermind...lol
good on them for making a stand
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Originally posted by KillerBug:
Originally posted by cazer:
attacking sony in anyway is attacking sony customers. so if sony will not do what they want do they want to put sony out of bussness? then what go after ms? and after that who will make the games? who will make the software and hardware? who would want to?why jailbraek? jailbraeking does lead to piracy! if you made a game and spent tons of money to make it and spent all your time on it only to sell one copy of it and have the world make copys of it what would you do? everyone knows what jailbraeking leads to anyone who says it doesnt lead to piracy is full of themselfs. dont like what sony is doing then dont buy sony. besides thought everyone hates the ps3 becuase the xbox is better?
Thank you for the typical Sony fanboy response.
"attacking sony in anyway is attacking sony customers" - That is like saying that tackling a terrorist is the same as attacking his victims.
"so if sony will not do what they want do they want to put sony out of bussness?" - No, they want to teach Sony that their actions have consequences...they might get away with removing otherOS...but they will pay dearly in many different ways. The next time they want to f**k their customers just for a laugh, they might at least think twice.
"then what go after ms? and after that who will make the games?" - If microsoft started doing things half as bad as sony has been doing, then I would say that they should be next. As for who will make the games, microsoft and sony actually make very few games...they make game consoles...but anyone can make a game console.
"jailbraeking does lead to piracy" - Jailbreaking just brings a few PC functions to the system. The PC is a prime piracy platform right out of the box...if you have an issue with jailbreaking, you should also have an issue with every PC manufacturer on earth.
"if you made a game and spent tons of money to make it and spent all your time on it only to sell one copy of it and have the world make copys of it what would you do?" - If you make a good game, it will sell...even if people are pirating it, it will still sell. If this wasn't the case, then the PC game market would be limited to free flash-based games.
"dont like what sony is doing then dont buy sony."
Great, I will just get in my time machine, go back 4 years, and stop myself from buying my PS3, 2 extra controllers, a ton of other accessories, and about 100 games. I mean, how else do I avoid buying something that I purchased years ago when Sony was cool about homebrew and before they removed homebrew support, forcing hackers to add it back (and because they had to break sony security to do it, they also opened the doors to potential pirates). This is the whole point of the OtherOS lawsuit; almost no one ever imagined that sony might remove OtherOS...and the rest were reassured that it would always be there...by SONY!
"besides thought everyone hates the ps3 becuase the xbox is better?" - I don't know where that came from...the PS3 is like a supercomputer (or at least several of them together = a supercomputer.) Before OtherOS was removed, the PS3 was the king, at least in my opinion. Really the only thing that the xbox360 had that I wanted was Forza...and I much prefer GT5 now that it is finally out.
killerbug you missed my piont all together. first my statement had nothing to do with fanboy for sony at all. most people make companys to make money not all but most. and most want to make as much money as they can simple fact.
as far as terrorist go last i checked they are out to hurt and kill people and i dont think sony is doing that. you need to compare apples to apples and not to anything else.
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"so if sony will not do what they want do they want to put sony out of bussness?" - No, they want to teach Sony that their actions have consequences...they might get away with removing otherOS...but they will pay dearly in many different ways. The next time they want to f**k their customers just for a laugh, they might at least think twice.
so what your saying is if someone doesnt like the way that a company runs itself its ok to attack that company to hurt it and its customers? and i dont mean physically but man power and money that could be doing other things for the company and the inconvenience to that companys customers in this case the people who could not get online with their ps3.
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"then what go after ms? and after that who will make the games?" - If microsoft started doing things half as bad as sony has been doing, then I would say that they should be next. As for who will make the games, microsoft and sony actually make very few games...they make game consoles...but anyone can make a game console.
microsoft has gone after its customers by banning accounts sony has just gone to the next step. like it or not sony has the right to take this to court. if they didnot the judge would have thrown the case out. but wait let me guess sony paid the judge off. right?
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"jailbraeking does lead to piracy" - Jailbreaking just brings a few PC functions to the system. The PC is a prime piracy platform right out of the box...if you have an issue with jailbreaking, you should also have an issue with every PC manufacturer on earth.
pc is ment to run programs that are not made by the maker of the computer or the maker of the os that it is running. jailbraeking is the same as moding. the only differnts is jailbreaking is software and not a modchip.
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"if you made a game and spent tons of money to make it and spent all your time on it only to sell one copy of it and have the world make copys of it what would you do?" - If you make a good game, it will sell...even if people are pirating it, it will still sell. If this wasn't the case, then the PC game market would be limited to free flash-based games.
once again a miss. like it or not this is about money. for evey pirated game cd movie cell phone hand bag or anything else that is a knock off of something else is money out of that companys pocket. flee markets had fake oaklys but a few yours ago oakly put a stop to it and now you cant find them like you could. the pc game market does what they can do to stop piracy as much as they can as well. i know you know drm.
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"dont like what sony is doing then dont buy sony."
Great, I will just get in my time machine, go back 4 years, and stop myself from buying my PS3, 2 extra controllers, a ton of other accessories, and about 100 games. I mean, how else do I avoid buying something that I purchased years ago when Sony was cool about homebrew and before they removed homebrew support, forcing hackers to add it back (and because they had to break sony security to do it, they also opened the doors to potential pirates). This is the whole point of the OtherOS lawsuit; almost no one ever imagined that sony might remove OtherOS...and the rest were reassured that it would always be there...by SONY!
if you go back four years ago you would no that sony was not hip to homebrew. remeber all the updates to the psp? what were they for? some of them were to stop homebrew.
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"besides thought everyone hates the ps3 becuase the xbox is better?" - I don't know where that came from...the PS3 is like a supercomputer (or at least several of them together = a supercomputer.) Before OtherOS was removed, the PS3 was the king, at least in my opinion. Really the only thing that the xbox360 had that I wanted was Forza...and I much prefer GT5 now that it is finally out.
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Thank you for the typical Sony fanboy response.
then you defend the ps3 that is made by sony. this comes from when the ps3 came oout everyone bashed it from the price tag to the games to online gaming.
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and after that who will make the games? who will make the software and hardware?
Trust me, Microsoft and Sony are absolutely NOT the only companies interested in making games. They just want as much money as they can possibly accumulate, regardless of who they take it from, or how they acquire it.
I'd love to see those two go down, to be replaced with companies which place the interests of their customers, and people in general, first, and make all other interests and endeavors secondary. There ARE companies like this out there. Companies like Microsoft and Sony tend to squash them, so you rarely ever hear of them.
so what makes sony any differnt then any other company? people say the samething about apple and microsoft. its not like sony is making you give them your money. you are giving it to them with out anyone forcing your hand. killerbug is right that sony and microsoft do not make many games but do make the consoles the games are played on. with that said if sony and microsoft were gone and some other company took their place that or those companys would be doing the samething.
look i have made copys of dvds and games and even jailbroke my phone. i dont do that anymore guess i grow out of it and i can care less if others do it. what im saying is sony is in the bussness of making money and people seem to forget this. Anonymous says they are on are side and fighting for are rights. but when they start messing with things that you or i use so we cant use them then its not only hurting that company in the pocket but it is hurting the user as well. and we all know jailbraeking leads to being able to play copied games and coping games is piracy and piracy takes money away from them. yes some do want to just get otheros back but most just want to be able to copy games they did not buy. and as far as are rights goes. are rights depends on were you live. the fact is most people think they have all these rights when they really are not rights but privileges. if you dont believe me read your bill of rights or what ever documents your country has that tells you what your true rights are.
all in all companys want money and the bigger the company gets the more people want to hate them weather its sony microsoft or apple or att
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10. April 2011 @ 06:59 |
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@Cazer,
Sorry cazer but for all your pontificating all you offer is opinion. Why should owning the PS3 be different from a person's phone in the US? No way could Sony get up to the unprecedented fragrant breeches of privacy in MY country. Nor is it a privilege to mod your console for backup in Oz, as the owner, it is your right. It is quite legal, whether or not you agree. The assumption that it only amounts to "piracy" is yours and Sony's. If Sony want to dictate what you can do with them they can rent the bloody things like Panavision do with their cameras.
Sony reneged on a contract when they sold the ps3, you may think they have a right to do so... others do not! For all your wall of text you fail to address the points in reference to PC gaming which were asked which contradicted your earlier exaggerated claims. According to you, PC gaming should be non-existent.
Also, Anonymous has stated they have stopped the attacks on PSN, did you notice that? They intend to choose other methods.
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10. April 2011 @ 08:01 |
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(in laymens terms)what anonymous needs to do is hit the company and not the customers.which is what they plan to do.
1 idea i had just dont have the skills to do is.disable the user agreement that appears when you turn your ps3 or sign up for psn.no licences/user greements mean the rights are yours to do what you want with it.
as for australia i live here we mod our consoles,download torrent files, drive cars in bad condition on the road.The government doesnt mind.run a business selling pirated games/software they might go after you,drive like a maniac they will go after you.use common sense and they leave you alone
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10. April 2011 @ 08:27 |
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Originally posted by Jemborg:
@Cazer,
Sorry cazer but for all your pontificating all you offer is opinion. Why should owning the PS3 be different from a person's phone in the US? No way could Sony get up to the unprecedented fragrant breeches of privacy in MY country. Nor is it a privilege to mod your console for backup in Oz, as the owner, it is your right. It is quite legal, whether or not you agree. The assumption that it only amounts to "piracy" is yours and Sony's. If Sony want to dictate what you can do with them they can rent the bloody things like Panavision do with their cameras.
Sony reneged on a contract when they sold the ps3, you may think they have a right to do so... others do not! For all your wall of text you fail to address the points in reference to PC gaming which were asked which contradicted your earlier exaggerated claims. According to you, PC gaming should be non-existent.
Also, Anonymous has stated they have stopped the attacks on PSN, did you notice that? They intend to choose other methods.
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Nor is it a privilege to mod your console for backup in Oz, as the owner, it is your right. It is quite legal,
it may or may not be legal in your country but i bet it is not a rght. in my country it is legal to drive a car but it is not a right it is a privilege but most will say it is a right. in the u.s. the only rights we have are the rights given to us in the constitution. exsample the First Amendment gives us the right to free speech but it does not mean that you have to be heard. what oes this mean? simple you can say what ever you want no one can stop you but at the same time no one can make anyone lisen to you they can walk away. i bet you can find anything from your country that state you can jailbreak your ps3 and your goverment can never make a law saying you cant jailbreak it.
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For all your wall of text you fail to address the points in reference to PC gaming which were asked which contradicted your earlier exaggerated claims. According to you, PC gaming should be non-existent.
how do you get that? the makers of pc games have been fighting piracy for years becuase every copied game is money that they dont get for that copy of the game.
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The assumption that it only amounts to "piracy" is yours and Sony's
i never said that it only amounts to piracy. i understand that people want otheros back and they want to have homebrew. hmm wait homebrew so you can play games on a system that the game was not ment for and that game was more then likely came from a system that the game had to be copied from. now if it was ment for the pc and you had a real copy and wanted to play it on the ps3 with homebrew thats one thing but if you didnt by that copy well then thats piracy.no jailbreaking is not just for piracy but lets get real thats what most people want it for. if you think thats not the case well then........................
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Also, Anonymous has stated they have stopped the attacks on PSN, did you notice that? They intend to choose other methods.
anonymous has stated their attack is solely aimed at sony. the only way to hurt sony is at the bank and doing so in the end hurts the user even more.
here you go in 10 years you have a xbox360 or a ps3 and you want to play cod4 online and find out that you cane because they took the servres down for that game are they or you going to go after everyone that had a hand in the making of the game because you cant play it online anymore eventhough when you bought the game you bought it to play online and now they have changed that on you? its the same as sony removeing otheros or anyother software being changed with an update.
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!) In Oz you have the right to modify consoles. Yes, it was established. Do not confuse apples with oranges (i.e. cars). I worked in a shop that modded.
2) Every copied game does NOT equal one lost sale. Crikey.
3) I rest my case.
4) Well Gee wizz, it's real unfair that Sony have to compete with MS then. That must hurt them, I mean us, the consumer, a lot! Haha. Why don't we just roll over and hope they give us a reach-around then. How naive can you be? :D
5) Hyperbole.
And the "...unprecedented fragrant breeches of privacy..." you fail to address? Face it you don't live in a Democracy anymore... you live in a Corpocracy.
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fine jemborg besides your word please tell me or show me were it is in writing that it says that in Oz you have the RIGHT to modify consoles and that the great goverment of Oz can never ever take away or make a law against it.
2. well yes.
3. what case? you have none.
4. what? see this is way i stopped coming to this site a long time ago. you have now changed what i was talking about in the first place. yes i may have helped.and as far as naive? i was thinking the samething about you.
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1) Semitics. I wrote it was established, please read more carefully. I don't care if you think I'm lying. My boss (at the time) went to Canberra a few years ago concerning it. You keep ass-uming the issue has not been officially looked at in Oz. As it stands, you have the right to... so get over it.
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3) My case? The assumption that it only amounts to "piracy" is your's and Sony's ... you then went ahead and demonstrated that yet again. Heh.
4) *Sigh* Well of course you would. But I called you naive because you don't seem to understand 101 Supply and Demand. Sony, naturally, are into it to make a profit. They will only be compelled to pass benefits (in any form) to their customers if they are compelled to by competition. For example: MS (and Ninty, and PCs) hurt Sony at the bank.... this does not hurt me a game user. On the contrary we consumers benefit from their competition, even fanboys. Ergo it does not follow that if Sony gets hurt at the bank users (PS3 users) will get hurt. It is extremely silly to believe that Sony (or any corporation) will pass, for instance, savings onto the consumer for the sake of it. Actually, if they think they can get away with it they will remove features... vibration (they had to replace it eventually), backwards compatibility... OtherOS.
I have wasted enough time on this- I am not likely to reply further. Diminishing returns, it's getting tedious... notwithstanding the crap grammar and spelling. I am sorry that you feel that way about AD. But then again, maybe it's to be expected.
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Originally posted by cazer:
so what makes sony any differnt then any other company? people say the samething about apple and microsoft.
I don't much care for the tactics of either company.
Just because the majority of companies play cutthroat doesn't make it right, nor does it mean I should kowtow to those that pretend to respect my interests until they have my money.
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fine jemborg besides your word please tell me or show me were it is in writing that it says that in Oz you have the RIGHT to modify consoles and that the great goverment of Oz can never ever take away or make a law against it.
2. well yes.
3. what case? you have none.
4. what? see this is way i stopped coming to this site a long time ago. you have now changed what i was talking about in the first place. yes i may have helped.and as far as naive? i was thinking the samething about you.
i googles searched it and found the link which says its legal (found several in 30seconds) heres 1 link
laws can change at anytime regarding anything so yes australia can change the law if they feel they need to.
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Originally posted by xboxdvl2:
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fine jemborg besides your word please tell me or show me were it is in writing that it says that in Oz you have the RIGHT to modify consoles and that the great goverment of Oz can never ever take away or make a law against it.
2. well yes.
3. what case? you have none.
4. what? see this is way i stopped coming to this site a long time ago. you have now changed what i was talking about in the first place. yes i may have helped.and as far as naive? i was thinking the samething about you.
i googles searched it and found the link which says its legal (found several in 30seconds) heres 1 link
laws can change at anytime regarding anything so yes australia can change the law if they feel they need to.
Haha, thanks for going to the effort Xboxdvl2. I just could not be bothered.
Yeah, like any law it can be changed. So what? But in this case to quibble over semantics.... e.g. intrinsic vs. legal
Laws are based on what are considered intrinsic values anyway and that's still opinion. You have the right to bear arms... in America, not in my country.
Regardless, an exception would have to be made in reference to PS3 (or any game console) in regards to modifying what you already own (that doesn't constitute a public health hazard). Also another legal exception would have to be made in reference to duplicating software you own for safekeeping. Both relatively tall orders (in Oz anyway).
User agreements or licence stipulations mean bugger all. They cannot supersede what's law. They are only on there mostly to scare the consumer. Don't look to the back of a box or a EULA for legality. Case in point, for many years we have been told by internet sellers that return postage in regards to warranty are at the buyers expense... this is completely untrue! Any internet seller that tells you this is misinformed or lying. Any "agreement" you may enter into regarding this is invalid, by law. MegaBuy (I think) sent me email in regards to this as they were taken to court... and lost.
@Cazer, if by any chance you read this please make sure you read post #20 too. PS: I hope you learnt something here... not least that most regular AD members have learnt to be careful when taking me on.
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11. April 2011 @ 15:11 |
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Thank you. Both of you for making my point for me. I never said that modding was illegal. I said it was not a right. The word right has been missed used. You have the privilege not the right to mod. Even you said they can change the law about it. A right they can not take away from you. Yes they can try to take it away. But in the end they can't. The law is the law and yes it is different all over the world I understand that. What you fail to understand is what rights really are. By the way let's not compare apples to oranges (i.e.) guns. See I van do it too. This is now way off topic and you have proven my point for me. I'm done with this. So if you want you can have the last word if you want. I give you that privilege if you want it.
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11. April 2011 @ 15:16 |
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Originally posted by cazer:
Thank you. Both of you for making my point for me. I never said that modding was illegal. I said it was not a right. The word right has been missed used. You have the privilege not the right to mod. Even you said they can change the law about it. A right they can not take away from you. Yes they can try to take it away. But in the end they can't. The law is the law and yes it is different all over the world I understand that. What you fail to understand is what rights really are. By the way let's not compare apples to oranges (i.e.) guns. See I van do it too. This is now way off topic and you have proven my point for me. I'm done with this. So if you want you can have the last word if you want. I give you that privilege if you want it.
Ahahahahahahahahahahahaha.
I c wot u dun. U turn tables on me. Clever u iz.
You are confused... Doing what you want with what you own IS perceived as a basic right fool... It constitutes the definition of ownership.
The laws of ownership extend from this basic founding principal. Haha.
If you can't understand the difference between owning a car and driving it on the road then what hope is there for you?
I suppose it's to be expected, you don't even understand the basics of economics I had to explain to you.
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Its a lot easier being righteous than right.
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Zilog Z80 CPU, 32KB RAM (16K+16K cartridge), video processor 6847, 2KB video RAM, 16 colours (text mode), 5.25" FDD
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