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'Anonymous' implicated in Sony PSN hack
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article published on 4 May, 2011
Sony has submitted their written responses to the U.S. House of Representatives Committee on Energy and Commerce over the massive cyber-attack that has taken down the PSN for two weeks and exposed personal info for up to 77 million gamers.
You can view the PDFs of the report, "The Threat of Data Theft to American Consumers" here.
The most shocking part of the report is the fact that ... [ read the full article ]
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5. May 2011 @ 12:04 |
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Lets just say for arguments sake that it might not have been AnonOps...that doesn't mean An0nymous still isn't behind this. So just to be clear and to get this straight ~ a known Hacktivist Group that in a previous warning video (just after the failed sit-ins & when they got heat for the minor PSN outages) said specifically "Sony prepare for the biggest attack you have ever witnessed An0nymous style" (Source) now wants people to believe it wasn't them? Uhm...yeah...ookaaay...
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plazma247
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5. May 2011 @ 12:12 |
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Originally posted by Gnawnivek:
Please do us a favor, don't link anything from arstechnica. You just discredit yourself when you quoting info from them.
Ive also found the information on another site and linked that as well if that makes you any happier..?
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5. May 2011 @ 12:58 |
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@baxter00 so they should just pretend it was not there lol. people just want to play games online & whatever way you look at it anonymous had there part to play in all this I do not need them to play judge for me thanks.
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5. May 2011 @ 15:08 |
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Originally posted by KillerBug:
It really makes no difference if some member of anonymous did this or if some independent party did it. Anonymous the group DIDN'T do it because Anonymous THE GROUP only exists for denial of service attacks. Actual infiltration attacks need to be kept small to minimize the amount of attention.
Only do DDoS attacks?
Yet hacked into GBHarry and stole email data from the CEO of the company at the time.
Are you sure you know what group your talking about?
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5. May 2011 @ 15:17 |
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People are saying Sony planted the file.
The problem you will have with proving that is, Sony didn't find the file one of the net security companies found the file.
And it was on the SOE attacked servers.
Besides the Anon's "get ready for the biggest attack"
Anon has said straight after the PSN went down that Sony's servers are poorly protected and Sony has a poor network overall.
Now Anon are claiming not to have hacked the site, it's laughable because even just DDoSing a site is illegal these days, let alone stealing over 100million account details.
Right now those people were trying to sell the data back to Sony, and Sony have said no to buying it, and now these people are trying to sell the data off in blocks country by country.
Germany, Norway, Sweden, etc are getting sold off right now or already sold off on credit card stealing forums.
The problem Anon have is even if they say they didn't do it, it doesn't matter, because they have been attacking Sony for the last 3-4 months anyway.
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5. May 2011 @ 18:48 |
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Sony has been the victim of a very carefully planned, very professional, highly sophisticated criminal cyber attack.
I don't think a bunch of random guys off the internet that break websites in their free time fall under that category. And with the media on Anon, the real hacker probably planted it as an alibi.
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5. May 2011 @ 18:51 |
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Originally posted by xtago:
People are saying Sony planted the file.
The problem you will have with proving that is, Sony didn't find the file one of the net security companies found the file.
And it was on the SOE attacked servers.
Besides the Anon's "get ready for the biggest attack"
Anon has said straight after the PSN went down that Sony's servers are poorly protected and Sony has a poor network overall.
Now Anon are claiming not to have hacked the site, it's laughable because even just DDoSing a site is illegal these days, let alone stealing over 100million account details.
Right now those people were trying to sell the data back to Sony, and Sony have said no to buying it, and now these people are trying to sell the data off in blocks country by country.
Germany, Norway, Sweden, etc are getting sold off right now or already sold off on credit card stealing forums.
The problem Anon have is even if they say they didn't do it, it doesn't matter, because they have been attacking Sony for the last 3-4 months anyway.
Anonymous isn't dumb, there not going to leave a File Called anon behind. who ever did the hacking set this all up, even if this said hacking even occurred.
i for one believe its all just a ruse, Sony just found out the hard way how Small there ePENIS really is, and are just pissed that they can dribble with the big boys. that and there pushing for an agenda.
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5. May 2011 @ 21:24 |
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They're just using Anonymous as a scapegoat; because they have no one else to place the blame on.
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5. May 2011 @ 21:39 |
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Originally posted by GryphB:
They're just using Anonymous as a scapegoat; because they have no one else to place the blame on.
Duh, why look around when the obvious scapegoat is right front of you? Even if you doctored the file on the server, nobody going to think twice about it, so what's the harm in that? If Anonymous gets upset, Sony got the Feds, win win.
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5. May 2011 @ 23:43 |
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Originally posted by Oner:
Lets just say for arguments sake that it might not have been AnonOps...that doesn't mean An0nymous still isn't behind this. So just to be clear and to get this straight ~ a known Hacktivist Group that in a previous warning video (just after the failed sit-ins & when they got heat for the minor PSN outages) said specifically "Sony prepare for the biggest attack you have ever witnessed An0nymous style" (Source) now wants people to believe it wasn't them? Uhm...yeah...ookaaay...
everything you said is true. but not knowing you must look at it in other ways. maybe and i say maybe the one that did this named the file anonymous to make sony and the fbi look at anonymous knowing the history between the two.
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6. May 2011 @ 05:51 |
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Anonymous says: it's being framed by "standard online thieves" for PSN security breach.
http://go.ign.com/mSgUvW
"The FBI will continue to investigate us (Anonymous) for crimes of civil disobediance while continuing to ignore the crimes planned by major corporations with which they are in league"
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6. May 2011 @ 06:45 |
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Originally posted by brockie:
@g_slide why would they need to plant it in peoples minds its obvious all this crap started over hacking, Sony can not make me think or feel anything. anyways hope who ever did this is getting closer to being found & put in jail for many years.
Who is to say Sony lied about the date of the breach, planted the Anonymous file themselves then went public? Far fetched right? I mean Sony have lied pretty much about everything. From what the PS3 could do, what features it would have (later to be removed), lying about why the network was down etc.... Sony cannot win this battle and have caused themselves and customers more harm.
Or maybe Microsoft agents saw this as an opportunity to take down the competition by hacking them to smithereens.
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6. May 2011 @ 09:11 |
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Originally posted by TrinUK:
Originally posted by brockie:
@g_slide why would they need to plant it in peoples minds its obvious all this crap started over hacking, Sony can not make me think or feel anything. anyways hope who ever did this is getting closer to being found & put in jail for many years.
Who is to say Sony lied about the date of the breach, planted the Anonymous file themselves then went public? Far fetched right? I mean Sony have lied pretty much about everything. From what the PS3 could do, what features it would have (later to be removed), lying about why the network was down etc.... Sony cannot win this battle and have caused themselves and customers more harm.
Or maybe Microsoft agents saw this as an opportunity to take down the competition by hacking them to smithereens.
Seriously, lying about what the PS3 could do? What the hell you're talking about? Did I miss something?
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6. May 2011 @ 09:27 |
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@ Gnawnivek i think hes talking about the fact Sony said it was physically impossible for the slim to run other os hence why it could not have it... but it was shown that remarkably after some hacking... it ran.
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6. May 2011 @ 09:36 |
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Originally posted by Gnawnivek:
Originally posted by TrinUK:
Originally posted by brockie:
@g_slide why would they need to plant it in peoples minds its obvious all this crap started over hacking, Sony can not make me think or feel anything. anyways hope who ever did this is getting closer to being found & put in jail for many years.
Who is to say Sony lied about the date of the breach, planted the Anonymous file themselves then went public? Far fetched right? I mean Sony have lied pretty much about everything. From what the PS3 could do, what features it would have (later to be removed), lying about why the network was down etc.... Sony cannot win this battle and have caused themselves and customers more harm.
Or maybe Microsoft agents saw this as an opportunity to take down the competition by hacking them to smithereens.
Seriously, lying about what the PS3 could do? What the hell you're talking about? Did I miss something?
Yes I think you did miss something - They claimed the PS3 would allow users to play PS2 games and the PS3 would allow users to install another operating system which would take full advantage of the PS3's hardware. Both statements were false. Not all units could play PS2 games and those that could did not have 100% compatibility. Then the relaunch of the slim ditches PS2 support! As for other OS? Even with the other OS option enabled? This did not give users full access to the PS3 hardware but restricted access (Graphics were restricted and deliberately not supported in other OS mode). This was done to prevent users working on a translated PS2 emulator or emulators that require extensive 3D hardware support. Lies
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6. May 2011 @ 10:11 |
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6. May 2011 @ 11:01 |
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What a shame that Sony didn't invest their resources into making their network secure instead of taking users to court because they modded their PS3s and employed teams of lawyers on huge salaries.
It's ironic that the only victims are owners of Sony products. I wonder do they still think Sony are wonderful any more?
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6. May 2011 @ 11:34 |
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Originally posted by TrinUK:
Yes I think you did miss something - They claimed the PS3 would allow users to play PS2 games and the PS3 would allow users to install another operating system which would take full advantage of the PS3's hardware. Both statements were false. Not all units could play PS2 games and those that could did not have 100% compatibility. Then the relaunch of the slim ditches PS2 support! As for other OS? Even with the other OS option enabled? This did not give users full access to the PS3 hardware but restricted access (Graphics were restricted and deliberately not supported in other OS mode). This was done to prevent users working on a translated PS2 emulator or emulators that require extensive 3D hardware support. Lies
Okay, what you said is very esoteric, it's far from "lied about everything." You have valid points, but I've to say, most gamers don't really care. I'm not going to debate full BC, OtherOS and emulators simply because that's not the reasons I bought my PS3. On the other hand, PSN is down and still down, a pain...
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Gnawnivek
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6. May 2011 @ 11:37 |
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Originally posted by TekPete:
What a shame that Sony didn't invest their resources into making their network secure instead of taking users to court because they modded their PS3s and employed teams of lawyers on huge salaries.
It's ironic that the only victims are owners of Sony products. I wonder do they still think Sony are wonderful any more?
That's not entirely true. Without PSN, Sony is losing money too. PSN is not just free online gaming you know. People can buy games and rent movies too. PSN game developers are hurting as well, which is also bad for Sony... Sony want PSN restored asap like rest of us.
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6. May 2011 @ 12:53 |
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too bad the dumb casuals & family parents dont read this sorta stuff & stop buying sony's sh1t. not a single ngp/psp2 should be bought by anyone, but obv that wont happen. i jus got me a ps3 to take advantage of like a whore, 2nd hand ofcourse, no money for sony.
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6. May 2011 @ 13:26 |
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Originally posted by Gdot73:
too bad the dumb casuals & family parents dont read this sorta stuff & stop buying sony's sh1t. not a single ngp/psp2 should be bought by anyone, but obv that wont happen. i jus got me a ps3 to take advantage of like a whore, 2nd hand ofcourse, no money for sony.
I find it funny that people think they're somehow clever hiding from Sony by buying 2nd hand Sony products. You're still helping Sony indirectly, because you're using USED Sony products. Also, the guy/gal you bought the used item from, you paid him/her money. You can't stop him/her from spending that money on more Sony products, duh.
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6. May 2011 @ 13:29 |
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I don't really care that Sony are losing money; this is not the issue. Sony deserve to go down in flames. Long gone are the days when they were capable of making quality products.
I've already gone into the issues of MDs, Camcorders, DRM and Rootkit in detail and some OST CDs not having all the music that was played in the film (another over-priced CD with the missing tracks to be made available in a few months). Sony have only contempt for their customers.
Get your heads around this concept "STOP BUYING SONY PRODUCTS - THEY ARE Edited AND SONY ARE A BUNCH OF MARD Edited".
Incidentally Sony are now offering some kind of fraud protection to PS3 users whose credit card details may now be at risk; that is users based in the USA. From what I understand no such arrangement is available to the rest of the world. Perhaps the States have far better consumer laws; Sony are only doing this because they have to.
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6. May 2011 @ 14:29 |
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Originally posted by TekPete:
I don't really care that Sony are losing money; this is not the issue. Sony deserve to go down in flames. Long gone are the days when they were capable of making quality products.
I've already gone into the issues of MDs, Camcorders, DRM and Rootkit in detail and some OST CDs not having all the music that was played in the film (another over-priced CD with the missing tracks to be made available in a few months). Sony have only contempt for their customers.
Get your heads around this concept "STOP BUYING SONY PRODUCTS - THEY ARE Edited AND SONY ARE A BUNCH OF MARD Edited".
Incidentally Sony are now offering some kind of fraud protection to PS3 users whose credit card details may now be at risk; that is users based in the USA. From what I understand no such arrangement is available to the rest of the world. Perhaps the States have far better consumer laws; Sony are only doing this because they have to.
Let me ask you this, what's in it for you if Sony go down in flames? What's in it for me? What's in it for the rest of the world? Are we going to have better products if Sony is not around?
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6. May 2011 @ 14:46 |
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Originally posted by cazer:
Originally posted by Oner:
Lets just say for arguments sake that it might not have been AnonOps...that doesn't mean An0nymous still isn't behind this. So just to be clear and to get this straight ~ a known Hacktivist Group that in a previous warning video (just after the failed sit-ins & when they got heat for the minor PSN outages) said specifically "Sony prepare for the biggest attack you have ever witnessed An0nymous style" (Source) now wants people to believe it wasn't them? Uhm...yeah...ookaaay...
everything you said is true. but not knowing you must look at it in other ways. maybe and i say maybe the one that did this named the file anonymous to make sony and the fbi look at anonymous knowing the history between the two.
You have to look at thing in different ways but you also have to understand what is on the table before you automatically go with a flat out baseless presumption.
For those who think/believe Sony "planted the file", it was one of the 3rd party teams (FBI/DoHS etc) investigating the intrusion that found it. Other than that if you don't have any proof it's all just false assumption/unsupported speculation/rumor. And that seems more like an excuse on the side for the hackers who have stolen personal data of the people they claim to be helping!? (lest we forget what HAS happened) ~ I guess I am in the select few who sees that there is something completely wrong with that, of which there is no excuse for.
The really funny thing is that Sony doesn't actually say it WAS An0nymous who is responsible, they just say that there was a file with this in it and that's it. When asked by Mary Bono Mack (of the US Congress) the question ~
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Their answer was a clear and direct "No."
There was absolutely no speculation, no comment that implied anything towards anybody. NOTHING. Anything to the contrary is just plain false information/FUD and more than likely stems from ones own biased view about something that was never actually said. I.E. Conjecture
On a side note I read through the whole document and it has some good info in it for those who want to know more. It clears up a lot of misinformation in reference to the timeline about the hack itself as well as when Sony informed consumers.
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6. May 2011 @ 17:28 |
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Call me crazy (and I believe it has already made the rounds), but it seems that Sony has made a clever case for slander & momentary 'heat dissipation' from a large portion of their consumer base while they attempt to figure out who the real perpetrators of the security breach are.
I was complaining from the start that Anon made public that they acknowledged targeting the wrong people with their original server attack and again, publicly apologized for it. Sony's 'mentioning' is a just a clever ruse at revenge for the original breach & damage control to the more unwitting of their share holders and clientele of their product line.
I still wouldn't put any faith in any documentation they put out, despite how many pages it contained or legalese there in.
There's a simple rule I try to follow when it comes to conspiracy... if the story has more than 3 layers of facts and that fourth fact CAN'T easily be traced back to the originating truth... the whole damned story is a lie. Basically meaning that you can't keep all the lies together to keep the story held together. Thus, Sony's story of Anon being the root of this particular breach doesn't hold water.
I agree with a few of the folks here that it may be possible of few rouge individuals of Anon may have acted on their own, the group of Anon had nothing to do with it.
But that's just my two cents...
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