Originally posted by Gnawnivek:

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Originally posted by Gdot73:

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too bad the dumb casuals & family parents dont read this sorta stuff & stop buying sony's sh1t. not a single ngp/psp2 should be bought by anyone, but obv that wont happen. i jus got me a ps3 to take advantage of like a whore, 2nd hand ofcourse, no money for sony.

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I find it funny that people think they're somehow clever hiding from Sony by buying 2nd hand Sony products. You're still helping Sony indirectly, because you're using USED Sony products. Also, the guy/gal you bought the used item from, you paid him/her money. You can't stop him/her from spending that money on more Sony products, duh.

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Originally posted by brockie:

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@g_slide why would they need to plant it in peoples minds its obvious all this crap started over hacking, Sony can not make me think or feel anything. anyways hope who ever did this is getting closer to being found & put in jail for many years.

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For those who think/believe Sony "planted the file", it was one of the 3rd party teams (FBI/DoHS etc) investigating the intrusion that found it. Other than that if you don't have any proof it's all just false assumption/unsupported speculation/rumor. And that seems more like an excuse on the side for the hackers who have stolen personal data of the people they claim to be helping!? (lest we forget what HAS happened) ~ I guess I am in the select few who sees that there is something completely wrong with that, of which there is no excuse for.

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The really funny thing is that Sony doesn't actually say it WAS An0nymous who is responsible, they just say that there was a file with this in it and that's it. When asked by Mary Bono Mack (of the US Congress) the question ~

Quote:Have you identified the individual(s) responsible for the breach?

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Their answer was a clear and direct "No."

There was absolutely no speculation, no comment that implied anything towards anybody. NOTHING. Anything to the contrary is just plain false information/FUD and more than likely stems from ones own biased view about something that was never actually said. I.E. Conjecture

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Originally posted by evnflow03:

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For those who think/believe Sony "planted the file", it was one of the 3rd party teams (FBI/DoHS etc) investigating the intrusion that found it. Other than that if you don't have any proof it's all just false assumption/unsupported speculation/rumor. And that seems more like an excuse on the side for the hackers who have stolen personal data of the people they claim to be helping!? (lest we forget what HAS happened) ~ I guess I am in the select few who sees that there is something completely wrong with that, of which there is no excuse for.

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true, it was a 3rd party that found the file, but is it so far fetched, that it was placed there by someone wanting to push the blame off of themselves? or by sony looking for an out? it is their network, and they would have had to look at it first, before handing everything over for a third-party to look into it..

Anonymous' motto is fairly widespread and public..their short-fall and greatest weapon is that anyone can be anonymous and that they don't readily know or have an official group ..it's a double-edged sword..

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The really funny thing is that Sony doesn't actually say it WAS An0nymous who is responsible, they just say that there was a file with this in it and that's it. When asked by Mary Bono Mack (of the US Congress) the question ~

Quote:Have you identified the individual(s) responsible for the breach?

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Their answer was a clear and direct "No."

There was absolutely no speculation, no comment that implied anything towards anybody. NOTHING. Anything to the contrary is just plain false information/FUD and more than likely stems from ones own biased view about something that was never actually said. I.E. Conjecture

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the release, stating that the file was found on their network, with Anonymous' motto, is enough of an accusation..they needed a third party to find that file to lend it more "credibility"..if the person or person(s) responsible were smart enough to crack their network..why be so stupid as to leave behind your calling card, instead of just disappearing without a trace?..it just doesn't seem to add up..

Just an opinion and thoughts..hope nothing is taken as being said as personal..and to be honest, it's up in the air, on how this is going to play out..either way i hope whoever is responsible..be it Anonymous, a very smart criminal, or even Sony..are held accountable for their actions and punished for what has happened..

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Originally posted by plazma247:

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@xboxdvl2 are you kidding, their car stereos suck i sould know ive got one !!, worst CD Player ever, list of faults:

1. Forgets subs is attached randomly turns off amp channel
2. Volume control is main control and its easy to jog functions.
3. Bluetooth microphone actually behind font facia (its pants)
4. Digital anti skip is like 2 seconds

i could go on, i was always a firm believer in kenwood sound systems, my last one was capable of still playing cds without skipping with the car air born !! bah off to bassjunkies, out with the Cronies Product and in with a Kenwood again....

PS the difference in the sub 100hz range on my Sony is pretty poor when compared to that of all my previous 6 kenwood units. When your diving 15" of Rockford Punch you really hear it...

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Originally posted by Jemborg:

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Have not bought anything from Mony for ages.

But it's occurred to me that after this fracas I might be able to pick up a cheap s/h one for the few exclusives I'm interested in... like "Blob of War the PMSing".

As to the blew-ray... meh, prefer the decent one in my HTS-PC coupled mit AnyDVD. It's GFX did cost several PS3s after all. It's actually rather useful.

Is that right... if I get it s/h it has to be account de-activated or whateveritis? Otherwise it won't update? If that's so... WTF?

Can't see the Anon group behind this myself. Their attack usually only extend to a low orbit ion cannon.


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Originally posted by airman:

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Isn't Sony legally responsible for lost user data? Other companies that were hacked were socket with huge fines and the magnitude of those was no where near that of this breach.

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Originally posted by SomeBozo:

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Originally posted by airman:

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Isn't Sony legally responsible for lost user data? Other companies that were hacked were socket with huge fines and the magnitude of those was no where near that of this breach.

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Might depend, example where a good lawyer helps. The companies that might have been hit hard may not have had the correct working in the EULA (End User License Agreement), while Sony i bet had we only warranty the value of the machine for total damages, which would be the part that might be settled in court once someone can prove they suffered loss because of sony's negligence. For me sony running with unpatched servers without a firewall and knowing for months before hand of the security risks did nothing. In my mind there is a clear example of negligence on sony's part.

In the example of other companies getting hit hard, it all depends on the information itself as well.

I personally would love to see sony get hit hard, mainly to be an example for others that private information must be kept private. Additionally data within the company should be encrypted and require a hardware dongle or a certificate only available internally (or both) in order to read the data. It should be that if someone is able to hack in and copy the data files they should be useless without the correct encryption keys. So again i think sony is not just negligent but grossly negligent...

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Originally posted by Gnawnivek:

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Originally posted by TrinUK:

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Yes I think you did miss something - They claimed the PS3 would allow users to play PS2 games and the PS3 would allow users to install another operating system which would take full advantage of the PS3's hardware. Both statements were false. Not all units could play PS2 games and those that could did not have 100% compatibility. Then the relaunch of the slim ditches PS2 support! As for other OS? Even with the other OS option enabled? This did not give users full access to the PS3 hardware but restricted access (Graphics were restricted and deliberately not supported in other OS mode). This was done to prevent users working on a translated PS2 emulator or emulators that require extensive 3D hardware support. Lies

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Okay, what you said is very esoteric, it's far from "lied about everything." You have valid points, but I've to say, most gamers don't really care. I'm not going to debate full BC, OtherOS and emulators simply because that's not the reasons I bought my PS3. On the other hand, PSN is down and still down, a pain...

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Originally posted by LordRuss:

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Originally posted by TrinUK:

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Originally posted by LordRuss:

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I agree, I also bought my PS3 not because of the other OS but because of the free online gaming network. It's a pain but I hope they can get this whole thing sorted out soon. I wouldn't be surprised if Apple made a console anytime soon.

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Originally posted by evnflow03:

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For those who think/believe Sony "planted the file", it was one of the 3rd party teams (FBI/DoHS etc) investigating the intrusion that found it. Other than that if you don't have any proof it's all just false assumption/unsupported speculation/rumor. And that seems more like an excuse on the side for the hackers who have stolen personal data of the people they claim to be helping!? (lest we forget what HAS happened) ~ I guess I am in the select few who sees that there is something completely wrong with that, of which there is no excuse for.

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true, it was a 3rd party that found the file, but is it so far fetched, that it was placed there by someone wanting to push the blame off of themselves? or by sony looking for an out? it is their network, and they would have had to look at it first, before handing everything over for a third-party to look into it..

Anonymous' motto is fairly widespread and public..their short-fall and greatest weapon is that anyone can be anonymous and that they don't readily know or have an official group ..it's a double-edged sword..

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The really funny thing is that Sony doesn't actually say it WAS An0nymous who is responsible, they just say that there was a file with this in it and that's it. When asked by Mary Bono Mack (of the US Congress) the question ~

Quote:Have you identified the individual(s) responsible for the breach?

Source

Their answer was a clear and direct "No."

There was absolutely no speculation, no comment that implied anything towards anybody. NOTHING. Anything to the contrary is just plain false information/FUD and more than likely stems from ones own biased view about something that was never actually said. I.E. Conjecture

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the release, stating that the file was found on their network, with Anonymous' motto, is enough of an accusation..they needed a third party to find that file to lend it more "credibility"..if the person or person(s) responsible were smart enough to crack their network..why be so stupid as to leave behind your calling card, instead of just disappearing without a trace?..it just doesn't seem to add up..

Just an opinion and thoughts..hope nothing is taken as being said as personal..and to be honest, it's up in the air, on how this is going to play out..either way i hope whoever is responsible..be it Anonymous, a very smart criminal, or even Sony..are held accountable for their actions and punished for what has happened..

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Originally posted by SomeBozo:

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Originally posted by airman:

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Isn't Sony legally responsible for lost user data? Other companies that were hacked were socket with huge fines and the magnitude of those was no where near that of this breach.

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Might depend, example where a good lawyer helps. The companies that might have been hit hard may not have had the correct working in the EULA (End User License Agreement), while Sony i bet had we only warranty the value of the machine for total damages, which would be the part that might be settled in court once someone can prove they suffered loss because of sony's negligence. For me sony running with unpatched servers without a firewall and knowing for months before hand of the security risks did nothing. In my mind there is a clear example of negligence on sony's part.

In the example of other companies getting hit hard, it all depends on the information itself as well.

I personally would love to see sony get hit hard, mainly to be an example for others that private information must be kept private. Additionally data within the company should be encrypted and require a hardware dongle or a certificate only available internally (or both) in order to read the data. It should be that if someone is able to hack in and copy the data files they should be useless without the correct encryption keys. So again i think sony is not just negligent but grossly negligent...

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unpatched servers without a firewall and knowing for months before hand of the security risks

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I have no information about what protections they had in place, although some news reports indicate that Sony was running software that was badly out of date and had been warned about that risk.

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Originally posted by TrinUK:

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I agree, I also bought my PS3 not because of the other OS but because of the free online gaming network. It's a pain but I hope they can get this whole thing sorted out soon. I wouldnt be surprised if Apple made a console anytime soon.

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Originally posted by Oner:

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unpatched servers without a firewall and knowing for months before hand of the security risks

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is not true. It started from 1 comment that came from an IRC chat of which was NEVER CONFIRMED as valid. Then only to be blown out of proportion and made int FUD headlines by forum posts and "journalists" who never fact checked ANYTHING of which then ultimately made it to Dr. Eugene Spafford's testimony before Congress of which he was citing unverified/untrue information! This "security expert" in a written statement said ~

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I have no information about what protections they had in place, although some news reports indicate that Sony was running software that was badly out of date and had been warned about that risk.

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Thus PROVING he had no first-hand knowledge of the state of Sony's servers or Sony's knowledge about possible exploits. He didn't know a damned thing and literally just repeated empty unsubstantiated claims he read in the media!

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And now people consistently claim this as fact everywhere. It has basically become the game of telephone (explanation) just like so many other media BS.

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Originally posted by LordRuss:

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You know, outlandish as it is for Sony to draw fire onto Anonymous for whatever reason (probably for breathing room at the moment): How about I raise a stink...

I would like to make this outlandish statement...

I think "Sony" is the one that has actually violated the client security. I say someone (or group) within their own company has actually stolen their own client information and has made off with it.

Sure its conspiracy, but not so outlandish that it throws off the FBI of a few days for Sony to do their own internal investigation and attempt to solve, prosecute and implement its own solution before the public as a whole can class action their own wrath.

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