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Sony predicts large loss thanks to PSN breach and earthquake
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article published on 23 May, 2011
Sony has given a revised forecast for their fiscal year today, adding a large loss resulting from the earthquake and tsunami tragedy in Japan and the security breach of the PlayStation Network.
The company says the PSN breach will cost Sony $171.1 million and the earthquake will cost them a devastating $1.8 billion.
PSN costs were mainly attributed to the cost of the free 1-year of ... [ read the full article ]
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harhumph
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23. May 2011 @ 17:08 |
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Karma, bitch, karma... I'll shed a tear for Sony when I die, if dead people can produce tears that is...
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brockie
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23. May 2011 @ 18:36 |
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hope they catch the scum who did it.
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Mysttic
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23. May 2011 @ 18:56 |
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You win some, you lose some.
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VENOM79
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23. May 2011 @ 20:24 |
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Originally posted by brockie:
hope they catch the scum who did it.
HAAAAAAAAAAAA thats what you get supporting sony
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biglo30
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23. May 2011 @ 20:24 |
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Well there is always re precautions for you actions and unfortunately for Sony it was them on the wrong end of the stick. A lot of people may say those guys are scum for doing what they are doing but you have to look at it from both sides. They remove OtherOS even thought a small percentage of users actually used it and claimed it was for piracy safety even thought nothing ever was produced using it. Next they sued geohot claiming he was the one to open the ps3 to piracy when in reality piracy was already available on the ps3 thanks to PSJAILBREAK!! Not geohot so those claims against geohot was completely false, all he did was create a custom firmware that allowed you to install home-brew. It was up to the user to decide what they wanted to put on there. So I feel bad for sony in a way but they got just what the asked for. Next time give the people what they want, just because they are a small percentage doesn't mean they can't retaliate in a big way.
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VENOM79
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23. May 2011 @ 20:26 |
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to anyone who supported sony HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA HA and you can quote me on that last ha
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ivymike
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23. May 2011 @ 20:53 |
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MESSAGE TO SONY: Payback is a language edited for content that violates forum rules.
Now if only they'll go bankrupt.....
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Sillyboy18
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24. May 2011 @ 00:12 |
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hope they catch the scum who did it
Well that be the day, I mean really you think anyone can catch GOD. Earth quakes can only be caused by GOD. I don't think he like to be called scum.
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Dildor
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24. May 2011 @ 03:24 |
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I own a PS3 and let Sony discontinue it, there's a large hacking community militia that will support this system long after Sony wants us to shell out another three to seven hundred bucks for another one in the name of anti-piracy. Game companies and console companies want to protect their investments, but what about the consumer who wants to protect theirs as well? It seems to me that these big game companies take great joy if consumer profiting is at a loss, but they will press against our constitutional rights if any one of us goes against their profits- in the US, why would its government care about a Japanese company whose country killed thousands of American soldiers in WWII, but for some puzzling reasons, the US courts will defend Sony's intellectual freedoms in a foreign land that is not even theirs! Take Sony's failure aka their network security breach versus Geohotz's tutorial on how to unlock the PS3's capabilities based on how Sony had designed its system which so happens to be their negligence not ours- Sony has brought through their security breach, (which is reverse piracy in my opinion which Sony failed to prevent in spite of knowing that this would happen as they were warned) , fear, uncertainty, and inconvenience to all of Sony's customers for which Sony wants to compensate them (aka welcome back stupid) by giving its users 2 older games (together worth 40 to 60 bucks), free theft prevention for a year (worth $100 to $150 bucks a year-check out lifelock.com) a month of their music service(only for current subscribers- $10 bucks for a month?) and a month of their Playstation plus services for all users (unfair to plus subscribers who don't have Sony's music service-$6 bucks for a month) total cost- around $230 bucks (more or less)per user plus a few useless downloads for which Sony will own and discontinue upon their whim- but hacking away at your PS3-priceless! However, Sony still comes out on top because they have already made their money and they will continue to make more to swallow up any loses- that's if their are any! On the other hand for GeoHotZ, if Sony didn't worry so much about its market share and reputation...Mr. NEOGEO would have to pay Sony a couple hundred thousand dollars and whatever a lawyer would cost him-plus many of his civil rights would be terminated- but for some reason Sony gets off so cheaply! And let us not forget, in addition, Sony wanted to acquire the privacy rights via IP addresses from all those who viewed Hotz's online tutorial for curiosity or for whatever purpose- and Sony claims to be the bastion of privacy rights?
And as far as unintended use for the PS3 goes, Don't some organizations use the PS3 for computing purposes because of the machine's processing power? They even use some of the PSN user's processor bandwidth for free if the user so happens to volunteer, yet nothing is given to the user for free in return for the service, but I suppose Sony is charging these organizations for the privilege anyway! The PS3 was intended to be a game system...but Sony doesn't impede on these organization's rights for using it otherwise!
If one were able to modify their car to increase its personal value- maybe even making it so it runs on whatever fuel one desires thus saving a ton of money, how would it be if the automobile company who had made the car dictated to what could and could not be done to the vehicle because they don't want the consumer to profit in any way because any modification would prolong the life of the car thus discouraging the owner from buying a newer car in the future... if that's not enough, they claim that they still own the car even after the consumer had outright bought it because the car company made the buyer sign a document that is so confusing that even a lawyer would have a hard time swallowing it. Furthermore, the fuel companies also play the game as well and are in bed with the car manufacture for they depend on consumer fuel consumption profits for the lifetime of the car for which any such modification of,would be a hindrance! Think about how many people would be taking public transportation instead if the auto industry was run like the gaming industry!!
I recently have bought an open source handheld instead of a 3DS and the upcoming NGP. I own a WII (what a disappointment-you won't ever screw me again Big N) along with my PS3-these might be my last systems ever unless a dedicated open source gaming console is ever created for the general public! These big gaming companies worry too much about their intellectual freedoms (aka Fascist Freedoms) versus consumer rights...let's practice our intellectual freedoms...let's cut into their profits and make it 1982 and '83 all over again! If these BIG GAME and CONSOLE companies don't like how their consumers behave, then they should get out of the business and let the generic gaming companies in Hong Kong and South Korea take over! An could this "whole bring down the PSN network thing" be a stunt done by Sony to make Anonymous look like a bunch of thugs instead of the hacktivist that they claim to be...I wonder! Yeah, I give a sh-T for Japan with their nuke, tsunami, and earthquake problems, but the US Postal Service won't let me send it in the mail!
"To be a man, you must have honor and a penis-honor and a peeenis!"
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lxfactor
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24. May 2011 @ 09:02 |
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lmao do u think anyone is going to read that ^^^
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24. May 2011 @ 09:45 |
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Broken "enter" key?
"You know, it seems that quotes on the internet are becoming less and less reliable." -Abraham Lincoln.
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PBob
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24. May 2011 @ 09:48 |
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I did... well stated ^^^
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brockie
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24. May 2011 @ 10:15 |
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message to hackers do some good with what you can do instead of trying to ruin a good gaming system for the people who just want to play games. people on here love the guys who stole the data weird do you shake the thieves hand when he robs your house as well lol.
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SomeBozo
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24. May 2011 @ 12:55 |
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For me it's s0ny's fault for letting this happen. Multiple sources clearly state s0ny had a system completely open for hackers, knew about it and did nothing. I'm by not means making allowances for the criminals that hacked and damaged s0ny, but still they have a responsibility to operate in a safe, secure environment. On the other side there are things companies simply need to do for normal business operation now a days. Just as much as i lock the door to my house and other valuables, so does s0ny have to protect it's user's information.
Rather annoys me to see s0ny play the tsunami card for sympathy, these two issues are completely separate, and the losses from be incompetent is still their own fault.
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hearme0
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24. May 2011 @ 13:22 |
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Originally posted by harhumph:
Karma, bitch, karma... I'll shed a tear for Sony when I die, if dead people can produce tears that is...
Well said and true to the bone!
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Dildor
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24. May 2011 @ 13:22 |
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Originally posted by lxfactor:
lmao do u think anyone is going to read that ^^^
IMO I doubt you can even read.
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24. May 2011 @ 14:24 |
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Originally posted by Dildor:
Originally posted by lxfactor:
lmao do u think anyone is going to read that ^^^
IMO I doubt you can even read.
Please refrain from personal insults as that is a violation of forum rules.
Please also try to post your comments in a more uniform standard and readable structured layout, as walls of text are more difficult to read than properly separated sentences & paragraphs.
Originally posted by SomeBozo:
For me it's s0ny's fault for letting this happen. Multiple sources clearly state s0ny had a system completely open for hackers, knew about it and did nothing.
It is a misnomer that these "Multiple sources state s0ny had a system completely open for hackers". For more info and facts about it you can read here & here (posts #491 through about #512) about it. Along with the users information was protected with a cryptographic hash function (Source here)
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hearme0
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24. May 2011 @ 14:28 |
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Man o man...........have these people not learned from 'lissenup'?
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Dildor
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24. May 2011 @ 15:48 |
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"Please refrain from personal insults as that is a violation of forum rules.
Please also try to post your comments in a more uniform standard and readable structured layout, as walls of text are more difficult to read than properly separated sentences & paragraphs."
Protecting a senior member I see who personally attacked my post in a sarcastic manner instead of giving constructive advice, or simply saying nothing at all.
"To be a man, you must have honor and a penis-honor and a peeenis!"
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Originally posted by SomeBozo:
For me it's s0ny's fault for letting this happen. Multiple sources clearly state s0ny had a system completely open for hackers, knew about it and did nothing.
It is a misnomer that these "Multiple sources state s0ny had a system completely open for hackers". For more info and facts about it you can read here & here (posts #491 through about #512) about it. Along with the users information was protected with a cryptographic hash function (Source here)
@Oner
Solid links to some factual information. Glad to see the truth rising above the speculation.
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SomeBozo
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24. May 2011 @ 19:50 |
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Originally posted by Smacks:
Originally posted by SomeBozo:
For me it's s0ny's fault for letting this happen. Multiple sources clearly state s0ny had a system completely open for hackers, knew about it and did nothing.
It is a misnomer that these "Multiple sources state s0ny had a system completely open for hackers". For more info and facts about it you can read here & here (posts #491 through about #512) about it. Along with the users information was protected with a cryptographic hash function (Source here)
@Oner
Solid links to some factual information. Glad to see the truth rising above the speculation.
Actually on another thread I did supply links quoting both ABC news and CNET, both I would think are credible as well as security expert brought in to do post mortums and evaluate the current state of s0ny's network. I don't have time to go back and find them, plus the story from last week saying s0ny still has not taken some of the step suggested it should.
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Originally posted by Dildor:
Protecting a senior member I see who personally attacked my post in a sarcastic manner instead of giving constructive advice, or simply saying nothing at all.
I think you need to go over our rules again. Especially these parts ~
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He did not "personally attack" your post. While he may have been a tiny bit sarcastic that is a very minimal thing, as the point of his comment is what is ACTUALLY more important.
If you want people to read what you have to say ~ make it clear for them to do so as most people (myself included) will not even bother through the strain & difficulty of what looks to be a run on sentence (even if punctuated properly) because it was a block/wall of text.
Originally posted by Smacks:
@Oner
Solid links to some factual information. Glad to see the truth rising above the speculation.
TY. Just passing on info as I come across it so as to keep proper & valid information out there. Now that is not to say ALL of Sony's networks are/were up to date, but for the PSN it seems it was, because they are still having intrusion issues with 2 recent events that happened yesterday and today I believe.
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SomeBozo
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Originally posted by Smacks:
@Oner
Solid links to some factual information. Glad to see the truth rising above the speculation.
TY. Just passing on info as I come across it so as to keep proper & valid information out there. Now that is not to say ALL of Sony's networks are/were up to date, but for the PSN it seems it was, because they are still having intrusion issues with 2 recent events that happened yesterday and today I believe.
And this lines up with the information i've been reading all the while that s0ny has been having security issues. For you to mention s0ny has been hacked on two separate in the last few days was hacked again :(
Just seems hard for people (not saying you Oner specifically) just saying that other mentioning the quotes or references that s0ny is still not secure problem and people are spreading rooms fallaciously, they might need to double check their facts.
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Originally posted by SomeBozo:
Originally posted by Oner:
Originally posted by Smacks:
@Oner
Solid links to some factual information. Glad to see the truth rising above the speculation.
TY. Just passing on info as I come across it so as to keep proper & valid information out there. Now that is not to say ALL of Sony's networks are/were up to date, but for the PSN it seems it was, because they are still having intrusion issues with 2 recent events that happened yesterday and today I believe.
And this lines up with the information i've been reading all the while that s0ny has been having security issues. For you to mention s0ny has been hacked on two separate in the last few days was hacked again :(
Just seems hard for people (not saying you Oner specifically) just saying that other mentioning the quotes or references that s0ny is still not secure problem and people are spreading rooms fallaciously, they might need to double check their facts.
There is a lot of misinformation out there. Hell it even got all the way up to the US Congress! Between the original "insecure servers" that stared about 4 or 5 months ago which was confused with the actual recent PSN outage (that I linked to above) to the Greece site attack yesterday and 1 or 2 other issues (one being confused as a hack when it was just a phishing scam) it gets quite confusing.
Even I tend to forget how big Sony is and that it isn't just about PS, but multitudes of media and different network offerings that are spread out World Wide in different countries, nations and languages...that's a hell of a lot of hardware/software/data out there to manage.
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SomeBozo
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24. May 2011 @ 21:29 |
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Originally posted by Oner:
Originally posted by SomeBozo:
Originally posted by Oner:
Originally posted by Smacks:
@Oner
Solid links to some factual information. Glad to see the truth rising above the speculation.
TY. Just passing on info as I come across it so as to keep proper & valid information out there. Now that is not to say ALL of Sony's networks are/were up to date, but for the PSN it seems it was, because they are still having intrusion issues with 2 recent events that happened yesterday and today I believe.
And this lines up with the information i've been reading all the while that s0ny has been having security issues. For you to mention s0ny has been hacked on two separate in the last few days was hacked again :(
Just seems hard for people (not saying you Oner specifically) just saying that other mentioning the quotes or references that s0ny is still not secure problem and people are spreading rooms fallaciously, they might need to double check their facts.
There is a lot of misinformation out there. Hell it even got all the way up to the US Congress! Between the original "insecure servers" that stared about 4 or 5 months ago which was confused with the actual recent PSN outage (that I linked to above) to the Greece site attack yesterday and 1 or 2 other issues (one being confused as a hack when it was just a phishing scam) it gets quite confusing.
Even I tend to forget how big Sony is and that it isn't just about PS, but multitudes of media and different network offerings that are spread out World Wide in different countries, nations and languages...that's a hell of a lot of hardware/software/data out there to manage.
I agree that s0ny might be huge, no doubt, but the problem with any site in s0ny's domain for not conforming or being tightly secured, well as they say a chain is as strong as it's weakest link. Chances are once a hacker gets on any server they will be able to jump from one unsecured machine/account, or copy file over to inject a machine upon reboot, or other nifty little hacks to gain access and own a machine, worse thing being many viruses are very stealthy, programs to detect them often fail to discover them as the viruses now know how to hide or patch up the detection programs in letting users think there machines are clean.
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