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Spanish authorities arrest three 'Anonymous' numbers over PSN hack
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article published on 10 June, 2011
Authorities in Spain have arrested three members of the hacking group Anonymous, each of which was allegedly part of the attack on the PlayStation Network where a file was found on the server with Anonymous' calling card.
The arrests follow a plot by the group to attack Spain?s Central Electoral Board website, among other Spanish sites.
Police have posted pictures of IRC chatlogs in ... [ read the full article ]
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dEwMe
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10. June 2011 @ 13:05 |
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Eh guess we all knew this was coming...
Just my $0.02,
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brockie
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10. June 2011 @ 13:18 |
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now they?re going to prison, it?ll be there turn to get ?breached?
hope more are found & dealt with. codemasters has been hacked as well now.
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10. June 2011 @ 13:23 |
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Can't help but wonder who of them leaked 'what' channel of IRC that Anon was going to do anything in Spain? And what was Spain doing that was so evil at the time that they were at a heightened state of awareness that they (Spain) deemed it necessary to monitor every inch of traffic on IRC?
Then there's my own curiosity... Can't you encrypt a chat room (sort of)? So if these guys are doing something hinkey, wouldn't they want to cover their asses a bit better than, "Hey guys! Meet over at my place for some beers!".
At first glance at the source article it almost seemed like someone handed out flyers at the local pub for anyone to join. Kind of like sending a road map to the DEA telling them where the dope drop is taking place.
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10. June 2011 @ 17:45 |
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I thought they caught 3 people? All I see is a mask that looks similar to Jason or Scream....haha
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10. June 2011 @ 18:02 |
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Well can't be free forever do the things they did, if you wanted to hurt sony just start deving and exploiting the system instead of taking down services.
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10. June 2011 @ 18:21 |
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Originally posted by LordRuss:
Then there's my own curiosity... Can't you encrypt a chat room (sort of)? So if these guys are doing something hinkey, wouldn't they want to cover their asses a bit better than, "Hey guys! Meet over at my place for some beers!".
Yes. You can encrypt your communications over irc. All the others would see would be gibberish. You'd need the decrypt key to understand whats being said (google "fish irc encryption"). BUT if this particular group was infiltrated then the encrypting wouldn't matter because whoever took the screenshots had the decrypting key. And if they didnt encrypt... well thats what you get.
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10. June 2011 @ 20:31 |
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Glad to finally see some arrests being made.
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10. June 2011 @ 21:39 |
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Originally posted by RichardvonBacon:
Originally posted by LordRuss:
Then there's my own curiosity... Can't you encrypt a chat room (sort of)? So if these guys are doing something hinkey, wouldn't they want to cover their asses a bit better than, "Hey guys! Meet over at my place for some beers!".
Yes. You can encrypt your communications over irc. All the others would see would be gibberish. You'd need the decrypt key to understand whats being said (google "fish irc encryption"). BUT if this particular group was infiltrated then the encrypting wouldn't matter because whoever took the screenshots had the decrypting key. And if they didnt encrypt... well thats what you get.
Under that premise (if it were to be true) then there is the possibility that the hackers got hacked...so what would people then say about that I wonder.
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11. June 2011 @ 00:07 |
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Originally posted by Oner:
Originally posted by RichardvonBacon:
Originally posted by LordRuss:
Then there's my own curiosity... Can't you encrypt a chat room (sort of)? So if these guys are doing something hinkey, wouldn't they want to cover their asses a bit better than, "Hey guys! Meet over at my place for some beers!".
Yes. You can encrypt your communications over irc. All the others would see would be gibberish. You'd need the decrypt key to understand whats being said (google "fish irc encryption"). BUT if this particular group was infiltrated then the encrypting wouldn't matter because whoever took the screenshots had the decrypting key. And if they didnt encrypt... well thats what you get.
Under that premise (if it were to be true) then there is the possibility that the hackers got hacked...so what would people then say about that I wonder.
Then I suppose I would say, "Their nerds are better than our nerds?"
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11. June 2011 @ 00:08 |
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Crap!!! I almost pulled a faux paux of double posting. Not only would it have been the same line, but the same crappy punch line at that...
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11. June 2011 @ 01:06 |
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"Authorities in Spain have arrested three members of the hacking group Anonymous..."
That line really frustrates me. There is no hacking group named anonymous. Anyone who does anything anonymously online is technically part of the anonymous collective. There's no leader, there's no meeting place... If you are online anonymously you are anonymous.
It's like saying, "Authorities in Spain have arrested three humans who use the internet"
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11. June 2011 @ 05:53 |
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Originally posted by LordRuss:
Kind of like sending a road map to the DEA telling them where the dope drop is taking place.
there was a guy at a country pub that asked a man that he was having a drink with if the guy could help him move some stuff.the guy agreed (they'd only just met at the pub).they went and moved a dope crop the guy he'd met at the pub turned out to be an undercover cop and they got busted.
as for anonymous they denied being behind the psn hack and in time we will see if the police has any proof of any of the so called hacks they were charged for.
as for the mask looks like the one in the movie V for vendetta.
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11. June 2011 @ 06:09 |
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What pisses me off is the use of the word "hacker"...they are using it to describe a criminal act, and that just isn't fair.
It is like saying, "Police have arrested three drivers"...sure, if they were getaway drivers for a crime, then they are criminals...but you don't charge them with driving, you charge them with the crime they helped with.
I am a hacker...I design things to make products work better. By means of this overused term, I am lumped into the same category as someone who steals credit card numbers for a living. There was a time when people like me were called engineers and inventors...but since I don't work for a multi-national corporation, I am called a hacker.
From what I gather, the three persons in question were only involved in Denial of Service attacks...the digital version of a picket line. Considering the massive protests that are raging in the streets of Spain, and the baseless arrests and attacks on peaceful protestors by the police, it is hardly a surprise to see that same government arresting people for non-malicious forms of hacking like this.
Welcome to 1984...government whistle-blowers get charged with treason...peaceful protestors get arrested, beaten, and occasionally killed...EU members are getting assaulted for trying to gain entry into Bilderberg, and I have lost track of how many wars my country has started just in the last month...I think I better buy some canned food and extra bullets...the s**t is about to hit the fan.
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11. June 2011 @ 06:30 |
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" Do not make the mistake of believing you can behead a headless snake. If you slice off one head of Hydra, ten more heads will grow in its place "
Well the answer to that , all you anon sweeties, is learn how to use the english language correctly. You can't say you are headless and then say you are a multi-headed hydra lol idiots !
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11. June 2011 @ 07:35 |
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Yeah...the whole quote is messed up; like saying that arresting an anon will bring in 10 new anons...that is BS...arresting an anon will bring in hundreds (if not thousands) of new members.
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brockie
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11. June 2011 @ 07:48 |
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@KillerBug good all the more to find :) they cause more damage than just taking credit card numbers maybe one day you will wake up when your life savings have been cleared out buy one of your hero hackers.
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11. June 2011 @ 11:39 |
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Originally posted by brockie:
@KillerBug good all the more to find :) they cause more damage than just taking credit card numbers maybe one day you will wake up when your life savings have been cleared out buy one of your hero hackers.
i believe if they took your life savings they wouldnt be consider a hacker they'd be considered a theif.hacking is something which involves a hack (wether criminal or not).stealing involves taking something which belongs to someone else without there permission(such as someone life savings).to label all hackers criminals is stero-typing.labelling someone a criminal when they havnt admitted committing a crime or been convicted of a crime is wrong.technically police could charge anyone at anytime anywhere of a crime.
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11. June 2011 @ 11:50 |
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per dictionary.com:
hack·er
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1. a person or thing that hacks.
2. Slang . a person who engages in an activity without talent or skill: weekend hackers on the golf course.
3. Computer Slang .
a. a computer enthusiast.
b. a microcomputer user who attempts to gain unauthorized access to proprietary computer systems.
Per definition 3 both uses of hacker are correct. Unless you don't see the "unauthorized access" as a crime which in these $ony break-ins it clearly was.
Just my $0.02,
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11. June 2011 @ 11:56 |
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Originally posted by Oner:
Originally posted by RichardvonBacon:
Originally posted by LordRuss:
Then there's my own curiosity... Can't you encrypt a chat room (sort of)? So if these guys are doing something hinkey, wouldn't they want to cover their asses a bit better than, "Hey guys! Meet over at my place for some beers!".
Yes. You can encrypt your communications over irc. All the others would see would be gibberish. You'd need the decrypt key to understand whats being said (google "fish irc encryption"). BUT if this particular group was infiltrated then the encrypting wouldn't matter because whoever took the screenshots had the decrypting key. And if they didnt encrypt... well thats what you get.
Under that premise (if it were to be true) then there is the possibility that the hackers got hacked...so what would people then say about that I wonder.
That's a good point and that would mean the good guys are bad too, as they are breaking some of the same laws as well.
But this isn't about members of a group it is about capturing the numbers as stated in the title of this article;
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Spanish authorities arrest three 'Anonymous' numbers over PSN hack
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11. June 2011 @ 13:47 |
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Wow... A cyber criminal relives me of what little money I have; sure, I would love to twist their little nuts off with a rusty pair of vise grips for their efforts. Having busted my ass for a second bachelors degree as an Industrial designer, I too am considered a 'hacker' of sorts, so I kind of take a bit of offense with the negativity now attached as KillerBug seems to feel.
Now that Webster has allowed for a legalized contradictory use of the word I suppose I'm going to have to get over it.
And as for Anonymous... I'm starting to think these guys aren't as bright as they seem to think they are. Adversely, the organization truly is well organized; in that they have 'bullet catchers' in place for such emergencies. It's not a popular combat technique, but one used in order to save your best team members. Could be these individuals we sacrificial lambs or screw ups & were just served up to buy time for a bigger scheme.
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brockie
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11. June 2011 @ 14:24 |
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@xboxdvl2 if you think breaking into sites is not stealing then that is up to you to me it is stealing.
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11. June 2011 @ 14:42 |
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Originally posted by brockie:
@xboxdvl2 if you think breaking into sites is not stealing then that is up to you to me it is stealing.
It can be stealing but most certainly it is B&E (Breaking and Entering)!
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11. June 2011 @ 14:43 |
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@brockie... Actually, by most legal definitions it is called literally "breaking & entering". Obviously, punishable. It should be no worse than as if somebody came physically into your home or automobile, whatever & violated your physical space.
Once that individual "takes" something from your environment, THEN it's "theft" not until then. It's not RAPE until "penetration"; it's assault by whatever degree of contact until penetration.
That's what makes most legal systems so F&#*^$ed up. You can't really get the beat down on a perpetrator like they deserve it because of bullshit arguments just like I described. Thus old farts like me sit around & become jaded with society & complain till we fade away or become another victim of what the world is/has become. That or things really haven't changed, it's that they are becoming more apparent or technology has changed things into a different game.
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11. June 2011 @ 15:18 |
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Although law can be bullshit there needs to be preponderance so I don't totally agree with your statement of bullshit. We see how when it is easy to prosecute more innocent people get thrown into jail. That is more unjust then not getting all of the criminals, I think. Also this world will never be safe and those that think it will are just delusional. I'm an old fart too!
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11. June 2011 @ 15:48 |
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There in lies the conundrum. "it isn't a safe world". I.e., the basis for my 'bullshit' comment. Not that 'law' itself is BS; although I feel that the human condition has twisted it into that very thing. Law once 'was' a form management and a basis for some deterrence. It just doesn't seem be the case any longer.
It just seems that 'guilty' individuals of lesser crimes are serving a sentence while heinous criminals are seeming to still intermingle with the rest of us, thus the increased whine-age; at least from my end & a few from the possibly quieter other followers.
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