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Amazon may dump California affiliates over web sales tax
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article published on 29 June, 2011
Web sales tax in California may force Amazon to dump affiliates.
The gigantic e-commerce entity has over 10,000 affiliates in the wealthiest state of the union, and it warned them on Wednesday that it may have to sever ties with them if the state forces Amazon to collect web sales taxes.
Amazon affiliates are paid a fee when they direct traffic to the Amazon.com website and generate ... [ read the full article ]
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30. June 2011 @ 00:10 |
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Hike up all the taxes you want, you're still gonna be in a deficit.
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Blessedon
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30. June 2011 @ 07:07 |
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Is stupidity a prerequisite for being a liberal?
Or does being liberal make one stupid?
Governor Rainbow wrecked the State two decades ago...so they reelected him - to raise their taxes again...to drive out business...to eliminate more jobs...and on and on!
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Interestx
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30. June 2011 @ 16:57 |
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Nobody likes paying taxes.
But sooner or later if nobody pays up & everyone avoids paying them then the civic society most of us depend upon falls to pieces.
The 30yr long dutch auction to ever lower tax rates (funnily enough usually primarily benefitting those at the top of the income/profits scale) is a foolish fiction.
It cannot go on indefinitely.
People at the bottom and in the middle are being conned.
People at the bottom and in the middle are being squeezed because those at the top along with biggest businesses and corporations are funding politicos who aid them in their refusing to pay their way - and worse trying to black-mail the people into accepting this as perfectly acceptable.
Brown is merely the exception to the rule until the next pro-big business slimey PR creation comes along.
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Jeffrey_P
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30. June 2011 @ 17:01 |
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Liberal or right wing.. It doesn't matter.
Why do conservatives always blame left wingers on the deficit.
Remember GWB?
Short memory eh?
Jeff
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Blessedon
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30. June 2011 @ 21:48 |
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Originally posted by Interestx:
People at the bottom and in the middle are being conned.
People at the bottom and in the middle are being squeezed because those at the top along with biggest businesses and corporations are funding politicos who aid them in their refusing to pay their way
Prove it. Let's see your numbers....
....I'll wait....
You are parroting the liberal mantra as you have been programmed.
In fact, the lowest 50% of wager earners pay 2% of all income taxes. While the top 5% of earners pay 58%. Go to ntu dot org, tax-basics, who-pays-income-taxes.
I beg you; please stop being a drone for the liberals.
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Jeffrey_P
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30. June 2011 @ 22:00 |
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Loose your Rright wing Originally posted by Blessedon:
Originally posted by Interestx:
People at the bottom and in the middle are being conned.
People at the bottom and in the middle are being squeezed because those at the top along with biggest businesses and corporations are funding politicos who aid them in their refusing to pay their way
Prove it. Let's see your numbers....
....I'll wait....
You are parroting the liberal mantra as you have been programmed.
In fact, the lowest 50% of wager earners pay 2% of all income taxes. While the top 5% of earners pay 58%. Go to ntu dot org, tax-basics, who-pays-income-taxes.
I beg you; please stop being a drone for the liberals.
Lose your right wing rhetoric. I lived in CA. most of my life.
You waste your time looking up #'s
Typical Republican..
Jeff
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Jeffrey_P
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30. June 2011 @ 22:03 |
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Typical right wing conservative response.
You look up the #'s without using Fox as your frame of reference.
Jeff
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1. July 2011 @ 00:10 |
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Originally posted by Blessedon:
You are parroting the liberal mantra as you have been programmed.
In fact, the lowest 50% of wager earners pay 2% of all income taxes. While the top 5% of earners pay 58%. Go to ntu dot org, tax-basics, who-pays-income-taxes.
I beg you; please stop being a drone for the liberals.
This is true, yes, but the numbers are so skewed because the top 5% of this nation make 90 percent of the money so there is no argument either way, and political party means nothing in this case.
Originally posted by Jeffrey_P:
Liberal or right wing.. It doesn't matter.
Why do conservatives always blame left wingers on the deficit.
Remember GWB?
Short memory eh?
Jeff
The financial crisis that began in 2007 with the housing meltdown started with President Carter and Clinton exacerbated it BUT Clinton did manage to get this nation to a surplus, no small feat. W was no saint in getting our deficit to where it is, that's for sure.
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Jeffrey_P
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1. July 2011 @ 00:25 |
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Who was president in 2007? Actually it was 2006.
I was a homeowner in California at the time. So I may know something about it.
Back to school young man.
Talk to somebody who will listen to your rhetoric.
You have fallen on deaf ears with me.
Have a nice evening.
Jeff
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1. July 2011 @ 02:28 |
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Originally posted by Jeffrey_P:
Who was president in 2007? Actually it was 2006.
I was a homeowner in California at the time. So I may know something about it.
Back to school young man.
Talk to somebody who will listen to your rhetoric.
You have fallen on deaf ears with me.
Have a nice evening.
Jeff
You are likely confused here, so I will let it slide. My 40-page senior thesis was on the causes of the financial crisis, so I may know a thing or two about it, as well. W may have been President at the time, but what does that mean, nothing. Surely you don't blame Obama for the current troubles we are in, right? Housing price growth stalled in 2006, but it was certainly not a CRISIS until 2007.
Two party politics is archaic and should be done away with, period.
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Jeffrey_P
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1. July 2011 @ 02:38 |
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Dude, what is your trip?
You are still misinformed.
Good luck getting a job that will pay your mortgage.
I am an engineer in electronics industry for 30+ years. I designing radiological detection equipment for Stanford U ~ 20 years.
Come back when you grow up.
Jeff
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Blessedon
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1. July 2011 @ 07:28 |
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Originally posted by DVDBack23:
The financial crisis that began in 2007 with the housing meltdown started with President Carter and Clinton exacerbated it BUT Clinton did manage to get this nation to a surplus, no small feat. W was no saint in getting our deficit to where it is, that's for sure.
I am grateful that you succinctly state what I have tried to explain to hundreds; that this bubble began with Carter, and was exacerbated by the inaction of those who followed. To be fair to GWB, bad as he was, he tried to reign in Fannie and Freddie but Dodd and Frank wouldn't allow it.
Originally posted by Jeffrey_P:
Liberal or right wing.. It doesn't matter.
Why do conservatives always blame left wingers on the deficit.
Remember GWB?
Short memory eh?
Jeff
It is useless to debate liberals, who believe their half-truths, and always believe name-calling serves as an arguable point. I will say though; you are unique for castigating me for using #'s to debate finances. LOL!
Now, to your quote here: "All spending must originate in the House", oh...that's right...the Constitution is an impediment to you progressive agenda.
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Jeffrey_P
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1. July 2011 @ 07:59 |
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You make me laugh.
Name calling? Go back to bed.
I didn't realize this is a political forum.
Do you have anything to contribute regarding computers?
You seem to have a head full of steam.
BTW: brainac, I'm not a liberal by any means. I'm a registered Republican in the state of Arizona where I now reside.. Pull the stick out of your ass.
Some people
Jeff
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Blessedon
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1. July 2011 @ 08:24 |
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I could not have scripted the above response more appropriately; thank you for the justification!
May I add; I am a registered Democrat and have been my entire life.
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Interestx
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1. July 2011 @ 08:46 |
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Originally posted by Blessedon:
the lowest 50% of wager earners pay 2% of all income taxes. While the top 5% of earners pay 58%. Go to ntu dot org, tax-basics, who-pays-income-taxes.
Right-wingers & number-play, very amusing.
Instead of talking tax-take (which as DVDback23 pointed out inevitably must reflect the difference you claim beause incomes are so staggerinly disproportionate) lets talk % of income paid in taxes in total.
But of course the right-wing never want to do this as it shows those on low & middle incomes a pay vastly larger % of their incomes in taxes comapred to those at the top.
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Blessedon
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1. July 2011 @ 11:15 |
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No, please, post the numbers.
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1. July 2011 @ 11:49 |
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Originally posted by Jeffrey_P:
You waste your time looking up #'s
Jeff
Jeff, are you serious? Number don't mean anything JUST because you don't agree with them? My daughter lived in CA for 4 year, easily establishing residency. She was denied in-state tuition while illegal aliens were getting it.
I don't care what party you are, denying instate for a resident while granting it to an illegal is ... what the rest of the country expects from the land of fruits, nuts, and flakes.
As far as your hatred of any numbers that don't support your wacko bias, you are a MORON. "I don't like the numbers, so they must be wrong." See if you can call Vanna and buy a clue.
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Jeffrey_P
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1. July 2011 @ 12:04 |
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Call Govern Brown.
I no longer live in CA.
I'm happy as a pig in shit here in AZ.
CA> has gone down the poop-shot while rent and housing cost 1/3 the amount it does in CA.
Sure triple digit temperatures rule.
I don't really know the circumstances that had your daughter with tuition. However my youngest daughter (27) is back in school with a scholarship.
Stanford put my daughters and I through school.
Jeff
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1. July 2011 @ 12:13 |
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Originally posted by Jeffrey_P:
Dude, what is your trip?
You are still misinformed.
Good luck getting a job that will pay your mortgage.
I am an engineer in electronics industry for 30+ years. I designing radiological detection equipment for Stanford U ~ 20 years.
Come back when you grow up.
Jeff
I don't actually think you understand you're talking to two separate people. I also don't care if your job was saving babies, name calling and condescending tone has never won an argument, no matter what the topic is.
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Jeffrey_P
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1. July 2011 @ 12:26 |
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I'm going swimming. Have a nice day.
I'm not trying to be condescending. I'm 56 and can have a tude at times. It comes with age.
So whatever you read into my post is wrong.
Like I said I do not know why your daughter got denied.
Is that the full story?
My daughters benefited from me working for Stanford for almost 20 years.
I like trying to help people for whatever reason including AD. It is just my nature.
Folks like to shoot you down for their own personal reasons. So if you feel offended don't be. It is all in good fun.
Jeff
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Interestx
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1. July 2011 @ 17:26 |
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Originally posted by Blessedon:
No, please, post the numbers.
Look mate, this is school level economics.
Be blind if you choose but most know the truth of this.
Not only is it self-evident to anyone who cares to give it a moments thought it IS backed by the numbers.
Check out the NYT Feb 2011.
Case 1; the NYC janitor, income $33,080, pays 24.9% of income in taxes
Case 2; the Average Helmsley building filer, income $1,167,708, pays 14.7% of income in taxes.
Yes the cash amount paid by the rich guy is higher but the little guy is the one paying the highest % (by some margin) of his income in taxes.
Just like I said.
In the US & the UK the rich get to keep the vast majority of their income the rest of us lose a much bigger proportion.
By all means keep on pretending it's fair if you must, there's a whole political class & media geared to PR'ing that as if its true.....sadly for the propaganda there's a whole world out there who experiences & sees the day to day inequity of it all.
Oh and I'm not suggesting nobody is allowed to benefit from their hard work.
I am saying that countries with a narrower post-tax income spread generally are happier safer countries to live & work in.
Like most of continental Europe for instance.
They too have their rich but the rich pay a much fairer share and recognise they have a responsibility to help maintain the society in which they live and benefit from.
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1. July 2011 @ 18:19 |
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Originally posted by Jeffrey_P:
Liberal or right wing.. It doesn't matter.
Why do conservatives always blame left wingers on the deficit.
Remember GWB?
Short memory eh?
Jeff
Gee, when was he governor of CA?
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1. July 2011 @ 18:31 |
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Arguing about the income tax is a straw-man for this topic. This is about SALES TAX, which is regressive and disproportionately hits those with lower incomes. At least the income tax is done on a progressive scale.
States like California are really hurting for revenue. They have been cutting deeply across the budget for the last few years. They have slashed the budget for state Medicaid, which is the safety net for the poorest of the elderly and disabled among us. Also, transportation, education, energy, infrastructure, you name it, it has been cut to the bone. There is a long list of programs that have been severely reduced or eliminated due to the budget deficit in CA.
A big part of the problem is that it is exceedingly difficult to raise taxes in California. Since Prop 13 back in 1978, a two-thirds majority is required to raise taxes on income or property, or even special projects voted on locally. Since 1978, almost every time a tax hike was put to a vote, either in the state legislature or to the voters directly in a ballot proposition, it passed by a majority, but not quite by the super-majority now required. Ergo, Jerry Brown has figured that the only way to change the status quo is to let the people feel the pain of genuine cuts to the point that they repeal the super-majority requirement to raise revenue.
In the meantime, however, we get outcomes like this -- ultimately revenue-killing and job-killing sales taxes on out-of-state e-commerce. Everybody pays the same with a sales tax, whether you are a billionaire or you are desperately eking out a meager living. And no, it is NOT a tax on Amazon -- it is a tax on all of Amazon's customers in CA.
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1. July 2011 @ 18:43 |
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Originally posted by Jeffrey_P:
You make me laugh.
Name calling? Go back to bed.
I didn't realize this is a political forum.
Do you have anything to contribute regarding computers?
You seem to have a head full of steam.
BTW: brainac, I'm not a liberal by any means. I'm a registered Republican in the state of Arizona where I now reside.. Pull the stick out of your ass.
Some people
Jeff
Why am I not surprised you're a Republican seeing as they always say the same old shit every time!
PS: If you're a graduate of Stanford, I'd get a spellchecker if I were you seeing as you said "designing" instead of "design" in one of your posts!
PPS: How about pulling the stick out of your own ass instead of telling someone to do it themselves!
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1. July 2011 @ 19:12 |
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My family buys a lot from Amazon because of saving on the sales tax, and with many products you can get free shipping. I do most of my shopping online and try to avoid paying taxes and shipping. Sometime you have to pay, but in this economy, every penny I save helps in the long run. Half of my income goes for taxes (Income tax, sales tax, property tax, etc.) The middle class pays more than its fair share in taxes in the country.
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