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5 ISPs agree to help entertainment industry fight online piracy
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article published on 7 July, 2011
In a move that should have broad implications, 5 major ISPs have signed an agreement with the entertainment industry in an effort to help fight online piracy.
The ISPs are AT&T, Verizon, Comcast, Time Warner Cable and Cablevision.
Each has agreed to send emails/electronic alerts to customers who are allegedly downloading unauthorized movies, TV shows or music.
After "repeated" alerts, ... [ read the full article ]
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ntense69
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7. July 2011 @ 13:10 |
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Sounds like its an itunes deal so they get more revenue as the suggested itunes.
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HxCMANIAC
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7. July 2011 @ 13:12 |
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The ISPs wouldn't even want to cut off internet to offenders. They don't care what you download, as long as you are a paying customer.
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7. July 2011 @ 13:13 |
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Originally posted by ntense69:
Sounds like its an itunes deal so they get more revenue as the suggested itunes.
There are tons of others, I just picked the market leader as an example.
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7. July 2011 @ 13:15 |
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Originally posted by HxCMANIAC:
The ISPs wouldn't even want to cut off internet to offenders. They don't care what you download, as long as you are a paying customer.
that true but ISP like customers who use very little bandwidth more. assume of course that file shares are hogging bandwith
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7. July 2011 @ 16:49 |
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Originally posted by jos22:
Originally posted by HxCMANIAC:
The ISPs wouldn't even want to cut off internet to offenders. They don't care what you download, as long as you are a paying customer.
that true but ISP like customers who use very little bandwidth more. assume of course that file shares are hogging bandwith
And in addition, the **AA's undoubtedly coughed up a fair chunk of change to bribe the ISPs into doing this. Enough change that it would probably offset a few lost subscriptions.
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7. July 2011 @ 19:32 |
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I used to think that the ISP's don't like big down loaders and then I thought about it a bit.
Big internet users pay PREMIUM prices for the fastest they can afford. These PREMIUM services most likely make much more profit then the run-of-the-mill accounts.
It's certainly more expensive.
When it gets out that ISP A is charging a premium for premium service but then throttling or reporting or restricting in anyway, those users will take their premium accounts elsewhere.
That's certainly what I would do.
The real problem here is the fact that it is a PRIVATE enterprise with the ability to affect your life by getting your internet turned off. There is no way in hell that should be allowed.
Oh, Im sorry... Did the middle of my sentence interrupt the beginning of yours?
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midnightwalker
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7. July 2011 @ 19:40 |
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will if thier call copyright in the frist place cant some one just get thier ip copyrighted or i have a good ida one not buy smart phone and get it through walmart fast net track that lol
but i dont see why not get are ip copright and raa should be kissing up to the vzw witch why would they have anything to do with this trier only ds and wireless
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midnightwalker
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7. July 2011 @ 19:40 |
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will if thier call copyright in the frist place cant some one just get thier ip copyrighted or i have a good ida one not buy smart phone and get it through walmart fast net track that lol
but i dont see why not get are ip copright and raa should be kissing up to the vzw witch why would they have anything to do with this trier only ds and wireless
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7. July 2011 @ 20:17 |
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Originally posted by jos22:
Originally posted by HxCMANIAC:
The ISPs wouldn't even want to cut off internet to offenders. They don't care what you download, as long as you are a paying customer.
that true but ISP like customers who use very little bandwidth more. assume of course that file shares are hogging bandwith
If you charge according to bandwidth usage it fixes that.
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7. July 2011 @ 20:55 |
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I wish this was a bit more clear:
"Each has agreed to send emails/electronic alerts to customers who are allegedly downloading unauthorized movies, TV shows or music. "
So..does this mean only when an copyright enforcement group gets hold of your IP or does this mean that the ISPs will start to monitor traffic themselves and look at your activity to for copyright infringement?
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midnightwalker
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7. July 2011 @ 22:07 |
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this world turning to heck isp needs us if they cut people off they wont have nothing them selfs so why should the look up to these copyright groups they dont help them make the money and they help put on those moives them selfs so really the mppa and the raa needs the isp so i dont get why they cant copright thier own ip and tell them to get bent cause its comeing i am wondering if its possblity to copyright your ip address
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jookycola
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7. July 2011 @ 22:42 |
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I only download Tv shows. I could never understand how I could get in trouble for downloading something that is free to begin with. I'd love to see Comcast throttle me for downloading episodes of Hawaii Five-0, or Burn Notice. What's the difference if i DVR it or download it it's the exact same.
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7. July 2011 @ 22:52 |
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Originally posted by midnightwalker:
this world turning to heck isp needs us if they cut people off they wont have nothing them selfs
ISPS do not need pirates. Pirates make up a minority, so it will not kill ISPs.
Originally posted by midnightwalker:
so why should the look up to these copyright groups they dont help them make the money and they help put on those moives them selfs so really the mppa and the raa needs the isp
Scare tactics. If every one who downloaded a movie purchased it because they were scared to download it, would increase revenue.The scare tactics may not scare everyone but there are people out there afraid to do it based on information like this.
Originally posted by midnightwalker:
so i dont get why they cant copright thier own ip and tell them to get bent cause its comeing i am wondering if its possblity to copyright your ip address
Doing the best to decipher your broken English, it sounds like you are saying the MPAA/RIAA should copyright there IP address, but I can only imagine you are saying people should copyright there IP. Let's say you could copyright your IP, which I am pretty sure would be impossible, so what good do you think that would do? Even if you could own an IP addy, how would you get an internet connection since you own the IP, not the ISP, who technically does not own the IP anyways(to the best of my knowledge)? They would not allow you to obtain your IP over there wiring with out paying them money. Plus copyright holders are public information accessible to any one I believe, so if your IP came up in a swarm on a torrent, all the RIAA and ISP would have to do is put in a request to the US Copyright Office for the owner of IP 192.168.1.1 and when they get the information, then you are pretty much screwed.
Originally posted by jookycola:
I only download Tv shows. I could never understand how I could get in trouble for downloading something that is free to begin with. I'd love to see Comcast throttle me for downloading episodes of Hawaii Five-0, or Burn Notice. What's the difference if i DVR it or download it it's the exact same.
I never quite understood this myself. The only thing I can think of, it is some how related to advertising.
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midnightwalker
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7. July 2011 @ 23:00 |
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something must be done i got a copyright thing and i dint even upload it or anything or had my utorrent on i am looking at ipfilters now
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midnightwalker
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7. July 2011 @ 23:06 |
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andd i am wondering if btgurd works with a filter but i was wondering cause we pay for the net i dont see why we cant copyright are ow ip i was not saying why dont the rra copyright are ip but if net keep up like this thier not going to have people paying for them lol
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midnightwalker
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7. July 2011 @ 23:13 |
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but you can play on them looking at your copyright ip so its like the sick games thier playing in all
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tongun6
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8. July 2011 @ 06:51 |
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charter has put cap on bandwidth usuage, i am on second warning right now then on third my internet will be suspended for six months but keeps the phone and cable tv on. i have bundle package. i have 25mb dl and 3mb ul and cap for me each month is 250gb.
is this pretty same for other ISPs? ATT, COMCAST, TIME WARNER ETC.?
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bratcher
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8. July 2011 @ 08:05 |
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Originally posted by tongun6:
charter has put cap on bandwidth usuage, i am on second warning right now then on third my internet will be suspended for six months but keeps the phone and cable tv on. i have bundle package. i have 25mb dl and 3mb ul and cap for me each month is 250gb.
is this pretty same for other ISPs? ATT, COMCAST, TIME WARNER ETC.?
Time Warner doesn't have a cap that I know of. Comcast does have a 250 GB cap & I ran over it once by 30 gigabytes several months ago & never heard a thing about it from them but then I usually use 150 to 200 gigabytes of bandwidth each month anyway.
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8. July 2011 @ 08:42 |
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Originally posted by nonoitall
And in addition, the **AA's undoubtedly coughed up a fair chunk of change to bribe the ISPs into doing this. Enough change that it would probably offset a few lost subscriptions. [/quote:
I doubt that! The only place the media spends money on is lobbiests and campain funding. That is where a little goes a long way. The lobbiest put pressure on the FCC, etc to put pressure on the ISPs. The loss of a subscription usually means the loss of more than a grand/yr per user that moves on. A few thousand of them is real money.
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8. July 2011 @ 10:08 |
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8. July 2011 @ 11:05 |
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I was wondering when these goose stepping Socialists from the mid 1930s would rear their ugly heads again. I'd almost bet it had something to do with the $2 million campaign from their lobbying frenzy last year. What better way than to strong arm the 5 leaders in the entertainment feeders of the US.
I can't wait for the false accusations to start flying & a few dozen grandmas to get paraded before the grand jury over this one as well. Its the whole McCarthyism witch hunt all over again.
I also side with ThePastor as well; I don't see these vendors easily letting big spending clients go because the MPAA, RIAA are having a pissy parade. I spend a fortune for my internet alone & am looking to upgrade to a 50Mb service when they get it together. Emails & letters they'll send, but shut you off with the risk of the loss of high dollar business? That might be a risk too high even for them.
@Jookie... The question you pose is a bit off to one side, but here is a pseudo answer... If the TV shows you download have the national commercials (Nabisco, Chevy, ect...) in them then there isn't a problem. Those are the shows originally intended for "off the air" broadcast. But if the show has no breaks, everything fades in/out where commercials should have gone, but the show just continues without a break (sans someone took the time to dvr & take the commercials out) then the TV shows may have been meant for a compilation DVD set or something like that & your download may have been mislabeled:) which could land you in trouble. Either way, the aforementioned alphabet socialists still won't care under what circumstances you got your TV show, they'll just go on their "kill a tree" spree & see about killing your internet connection as well.
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davolente
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8. July 2011 @ 14:15 |
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Accusations - NOT proof again. A UK judge has already ruled that an IP address does not identify an "offender". How can they go after the account holder without due process or a court hearing?
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R3b0rN
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8. July 2011 @ 15:05 |
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Nonsense, how are the ISPs going to prove that the person has downloaded pirated stuff. What if they get it wrong and the person is only downloading free stuff from pirate websites.
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8. July 2011 @ 15:43 |
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Originally posted by davolente:
Accusations - NOT proof again. A UK judge has already ruled that an IP address does not identify an "offender". How can they go after the account holder without due process or a court hearing?
Although a good argument how does the EU and a lot of US States ticket vehicle violations with a photo of the license plate using automated gear? It is the same difference and they do not know for sure who is driving the vehicle yet they put the burden of proof on us to make their job easier and at less cost to them. And in the states it is a Hondo or more for pretty much any violation you may get.
Government extortion and big money is behind this and due to that there are too many infractions and injustice is done.
Russ isn?t far off on the witch hunt although I would like to think it is socialist pound scum I think it is more due to big money driving the system, at least in this case.
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8. July 2011 @ 16:11 |
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I will start downloading from iTunes when they start doing DRM-less 16bit FLAC.
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