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DisplayPort-to-HDMI adapters are now illegal to sell
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The following comments relate to this news article:
article published on 11 July, 2011
All manufacturers of Mini DisplayPort-to-HDMI cables have been notified this week that their products are illegal and should be recalled.
HDMI Org says all DP male-to-HDMI male connectors are unlicensed as they are out of HDMI spec.
DisplayPort is a popular system on Apple Macs, and is also used by some Dell monitors and Toshiba notebooks.
Notes HDMI Org (via TR):
The HDMI specification ... [ read the full article ]
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xnonsuchx
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11. July 2011 @ 00:59 |
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If it's only a cable requirement, I wonder if you can technically have a DisplayPort-to-HDMI adapter block (as long as it has no built-in cable)?
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Jeffrey_P
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11. July 2011 @ 01:41 |
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11. July 2011 @ 01:45 |
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There is even a staples brand of this kind of cable. How could so many be made if they are illegal I'll never understand.
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11. July 2011 @ 04:21 |
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I have never heard a better reason to switch away from HDMI...f**k those guys.
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11. July 2011 @ 04:59 |
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I miss my component/ fiber optic setup. Better picture (brighter), and sound was just as good.
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navi1199
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11. July 2011 @ 05:25 |
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well... you can always get them from china! better stock up on these before you can no longer find them
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Jeffrey_P
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11. July 2011 @ 07:30 |
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It takes a while for HDMI to display a picture because it's doing handshakes to make sure you are legal. What a crock 'o shit.
Jeff
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hearme0
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11. July 2011 @ 11:06 |
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And what about DVI > HDMI????
Why aren't they pissy about that?
On another note......"Display Port (DP)" is just the stupidest F'ing thing/idea ever! Kinda like the Penny......LOSE IT NOW!
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Jeffrey_P
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11. July 2011 @ 11:10 |
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DVI-D> HDMI is what I use with my Denon 3805. The model does not have a HDMI in or output.
I use optical for audio.
Fook the HDMI control Nazis.
Jeff
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11. July 2011 @ 13:13 |
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Originally posted by hearme0:
On another note......"Display Port (DP)" is just the stupidest F'ing
thing/idea ever! Kinda like the Penny......LOSE IT NOW!
"HDMI is based on legacy CRT raster-scan architecture. DisplayPort is designed for modern flat-panel displays and PC chipsets. DisplayPort has a micro-packet architecture with low voltage signaling that more easily enables networked displays. In the future, DisplayPort will also allow daisy chaining displays at full graphics performance, including 3D. and content protection. Today's USB-based daisy-chaining solutions do not support high performance 3D graphics or protected content.
DisplayPort supports higher performance as a standard feature-every 6-foot cable supports 10.8 Gbps. With HDMI, high performance is optional and comes at a significant cost premium. DisplayPort has better support for projectors and enables cool ultra-thin monitors. It supports native fiber optic cable and offers latching connectors, features that are missing from HDMI. Down the road, DisplayPort will allow multi-function monitors with a single cable delivering display, audio, and USB connectivity. It will also support multiple monitors on a single connector."
"DisplayPort version 1.2 was approved on December 22, 2009. Most significant improvement of the new version is the doubling of the effective bandwidth to 17.28 Gbit/s, which allows increased resolutions, higher refresh rates, and greater color depth. Other improvements include multiple independent video streams (daisy-chain connection with multiple monitors), support for stereoscopic 3D, increased AUX channel bandwidth (from 1 Mbit/s to 720 Mbit/s), support for more color spaces including xvYCC, scRGB and Adobe RGB 1998, and Global Time Code (GTC) for sub 1 µs audio/video synchronisation."
DP seems better and is royalty-free. HDMI appears to be the "penny" in this case.
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Jeffrey_P
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11. July 2011 @ 13:28 |
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Yes HDMI is better. You need to have ver. 1.4 HDMI for 3D support.
I think the question is.... Is it really worth it for Joe Sixpack?
Talking to people on the this board. Most do not have 5.1 audio as yet. It is high end that comes at a cost. Like building a hot rod car, "How fast do you want to go. How much money do you have to spend?"
Also they settle for poor audio and video quality.
It's all personal preference.
Jeff
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11. July 2011 @ 15:06 |
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Seems to me this is a format that is keeping with forward thinking & ingenuity. Again, somebody didn't grease the right pockets or play the right games, or whatever the politics of this completely greed ridden society has come to fell into place & now no one gets to play.
Personally I don't think anything will come too far about it simply because there has been far too much money spent on it already. Far too many companies will hang the squall bags bitching about their wallets not being fattened because they didn't step up to the fair access trough when they should have.
And then I could be speaking just slightly out of context with the 'fair access' thing too, seeing as I'm not 100% read-in on the mini displayport as the bulk of this crowd is. But seeing as fast as the technology hit the street and with little or no aversion to its inclusion then, what's to say theory doesn't hold a little water?
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11. July 2011 @ 19:42 |
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HDMI Org does say they agree there is a need for these kind of cables, but they do not see how to make someone pay them for this anytime soon.
Fix'd.
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12. July 2011 @ 00:21 |
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This isn't about lack of bribes...HDMI is the standard right now, and they will fight hard to prevent something better from gradually replacing it. The best way to do this? Block the cables that allow you to connect a new displayport monitor/TV to your existing components, and block the cables that allow you to connect a new displayport video card to an old HDMI monitor/TV.
I have a solution.
Instead of selling the cables as, "HDMI to DisplayPort", they need to make a new variant of HDMI...some tiny change like making the pins 0.001MM longer than spec (and then making the tolerances of the new spec all negative, so they overlap HDMI tolerances ranges except for that last 0.001MM). Then they could make up their own name for it, and in the product pages there could be a big thing that says, "This cable is not approved for HDMI connections, but it works like a charm anyway"
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Jeffrey_P
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12. July 2011 @ 00:32 |
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Originally posted by KillerBug:
This isn't about lack of bribes...HDMI is the standard right now, and they will fight hard to prevent something better from gradually replacing it. The best way to do this? Block the cables that allow you to connect a new displayport monitor/TV to your existing components, and block the cables that allow you to connect a new displayport video card to an old HDMI monitor/TV.
I have a solution.
Instead of selling the cables as, "HDMI to DisplayPort", they need to make a new variant of HDMI...some tiny change like making the pins 0.001MM longer than spec (and then making the tolerances of the new spec all negative, so they overlap HDMI tolerances ranges except for that last 0.001MM). Then they could make up their own name for it, and in the product pages there could be a big thing that says, "This cable is not approved for HDMI connections, but it works like a charm anyway"
I make my own cables when it is possible. Have all the tools to do so.
Still the point is people try to dictate a standard with many do's and dont's
"Fight the powa!"
Until my last breath I will do what I can to rub shit in the faces of money grubbing idiots.
Jeff
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Blessedon
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12. July 2011 @ 09:52 |
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Watch TV shows by cable on the flat-screen at night;
in the morning gripe about Hollywood, cable companies, and manufacturers.
Drive to Wal-mart for food in the morning;
at night gripe about gas prices, big corporations, and food safety.
and on and on....
To gripe about something and do it anyway is...well, pick an adjective.
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IguanaC64
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12. July 2011 @ 18:17 |
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I thought it would be convenient to use a HDMI cable from my video card to my monitor as my primary video/audio cable. It works, but you can never see your bios post...you have to kind of take it for granted that your computer is booting because no video shows up until after the login screen comes up (was a real pita when I upgraded my bios and my machine quit booting because the new bios wanted to boot from the wrong hard drive by default...had to go fish out an old monitor I had laying around to fix it...bios would never display via HDMI).
My wife has a 3' hdmi cable and she gets all sorts of weird video artifacts. Never had these issues with VGA/DVI cables (even cheap ones).
Going back to DVI...HDMI is just not workable as a computer cable.
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Jeffrey_P
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12. July 2011 @ 19:45 |
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It's not syncing with low resolution. That's why you do not see anything while booting.
You need a monitor that can...
Jeff
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Blessedon
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12. July 2011 @ 21:56 |
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Originally posted by Jeffrey_P:
It's not syncing with low resolution. That's why you do not see anything while booting.
You need a monitor that can...
Jeff
Not so; restricting access to BIOS over HDMI or DVI is part of the HDCP agreement, and is designed into every card.
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Jeffrey_P
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13. July 2011 @ 00:02 |
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13. July 2011 @ 04:29 |
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Originally posted by KillerBug:
This isn't about lack of bribes...HDMI is the standard right now, and they will fight hard to prevent something better from gradually replacing it.....
Agree:
....Component, S-video, and composite video support will be eliminated entirely within the next two years.....
http://gear.ign.com/articles/118/1181872p1.html
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13. July 2011 @ 05:13 |
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Originally posted by Blessedon:
Watch TV shows by cable on the flat-screen at night;
in the morning gripe about Hollywood, cable companies, and manufacturers.
Drive to Wal-mart for food in the morning;
at night gripe about gas prices, big corporations, and food safety.
and on and on....
To gripe about something and do it anyway is...well, pick an adjective.
If you buy from WalMart, then you are a part of the problem...it does not matter if you complain about them or not. I don't buy from WalMart, I don't buy from Sony, I don't buy from Kellogg's. I don't support corporations who break laws and exploit customers in broad daylight...if you support those who are systematically destroying the american way of life, you are no better than an Al Qaeda supporter as far as I'm concerned.
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SoulGLOW
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13. July 2011 @ 06:11 |
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Originally posted by KillerBug:
Originally posted by Blessedon:
Watch TV shows by cable on the flat-screen at night;
in the morning gripe about Hollywood, cable companies, and manufacturers.
Drive to Wal-mart for food in the morning;
at night gripe about gas prices, big corporations, and food safety.
and on and on....
To gripe about something and do it anyway is...well, pick an adjective.
If you buy from WalMart, then you are a part of the problem...it does not matter if you complain about them or not. I don't buy from WalMart, I don't buy from Sony, I don't buy from Kellogg's. I don't support corporations who break laws and exploit customers in broad daylight...if you support those who are systematically destroying the american way of life, you are no better than an Al Qaeda supporter as far as I'm concerned.
your damn Right about that!!!
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IndigoAK
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15. July 2011 @ 07:42 |
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Originally posted by IguanaC64:
I thought it would be convenient to use a HDMI cable from my video card to my monitor as my primary video/audio cable. It works, but you can never see your bios post...you have to kind of take it for granted that your computer is booting because no video shows up until after the login screen comes up (was a real pita when I upgraded my bios and my machine quit booting because the new bios wanted to boot from the wrong hard drive by default...had to go fish out an old monitor I had laying around to fix it...bios would never display via HDMI).
My wife has a 3' hdmi cable and she gets all sorts of weird video artifacts. Never had these issues with VGA/DVI cables (even cheap ones).
Going back to DVI...HDMI is just not workable as a computer cable.
Sounds like your video card doesn't fully support the HDMI standard. I have a Radeon HD5870 and I can see POST and interact with the BIOS setup menu just fine.
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IguanaC64
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15. July 2011 @ 11:18 |
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I have a Radeon 6950, MSI 1155 based mobo...maybe it's an issue with my monitor. 28" Hanspree TV/Monitor (max resolution is 1920x1200...possibly doesn't support 640x480 or 800x600...should be able to test by trying to set my resolution to that in Windows).
I need to check my wife's machine. I have a Radeon 5450 in that with a regular Asus 23" monitor that I don't think I can see the bios on either.
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