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R.I.P Steve Jobs, great American innovator
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The following comments relate to this news article:
article published on 5 October, 2011
There is not too much else to be said that Apple has not said in their statement.
Jobs was forced to resign in August as CEO of the company he founded as his health deteriorated. He was diagnosed in 2003 with a rare form of pancreatic cancer and took leave from work again in 2009 for a liver transplant.
We will have more in the coming week on Job's innovation and his contribution ... [ read the full article ]
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7. October 2011 @ 22:13 |
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Ya know now that you mention it didn't he invent the internet with Al Bore? LOL
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7. October 2011 @ 23:19 |
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Originally posted by Mik3h:
He was a good salesman, nothing more. He successfully trolled people into believing he invented video chat, that incremental upgrades are worth buying, and that people have more money than sense.
He could have cared less about factory workers committing suicide over bad working conditions, treating workers at Apple like garbage, skipping transplant lists with money, and being one of the few CEOs who never donated to charity. Bill gates gave over half his wealth to charity.
People say he revolutionized the computing industry, no he didn't , he managed to convince people that outdated hardware with a fancy design its worthy of the £500 price tag. The software is another thing, but I could write pages and pages on that.
No, he did not revolutionize the computing world, but to tag him as a "good salesman" only is very inappropriate.
In 2001, there were already MP3 players on the market (look at the Diamond Rio) but Jobs could see that they were hard to use and that the average consumer didn't know how to use them (nor care). In came the iPod and iTunes. Industry, revolutionized.
In 2008, there were smartphones on the market (of course). Hell, Palm had been out for at least half a decade. Jobs saw that the retail consumer, NOT the enterprise consumer, wanted such devices, but they wanted them to be light and stylish (like there current feature phones were). In came the iPhone. The average retail consumer now had a smartphone that was touchscreen, light, easy to use and considered "cool." iPhones are not as good as Android devices, they aren't. But look outside of AfterDawn and tell me if the average person understands them. They don't. An iPhone, they do. Another industry revolutionized.
Tablets have been around since forever, literally. No one wanted them until the iPad. That includes businessmen and retail consumers alike. Another industry revolutionized.
Macs are a waste, but get by on their design. Meh.
I don't like Apple products, never have, never will. They are too locked down for me and I hate having to have Quicktime and iTunes installed, ever. They are "dumbed" down devices to me.
I run a Win 7 desktop, a ChromeOS book and a Sensation 4G. I am not the average consumer. Neither are most of the everyday posters here. If I was to tell the average consumer that my phone has a dual core processor, 1GB RAM and a 8sghh82 GPU, they would nod their head without understanding. Now tell that same person that the new iPhone has a personal assistant and 500,000 apps and they will get a smile on their face cause they understand.
A "good salesman" can sell you a car that's slightly above your price range. Steve Jobs understood the needs of a quarter billion regular people and got them hooked on the brand for life. It's one thing to not appreciate Apple, quite another to call Mr. Jobs a good salesman.
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7. October 2011 @ 23:42 |
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MP3's were not hard to use they were VERY easy even the Rio. When the Archos came out, I still have the 20GB Jukebox, it was easy to use but big and for some loading music on it might have been a bit confusing but part of that was because it truly was a new device and people were still using and use to Sony WalkMan's and cassette tapes. By the time Rio's came out I had had a MP3 player for close to a decade the Rio was nice as the newer Archos's as they got much smaller. The only thing Jobs did was put a pretty piano black finish on it and make a larger display which was nice but come on the iPods broke way too easy. I still have my original Archos and it works great mean while iPod friends were going on there 3rd iPod because they don't hold up. The sheep follow Apple because they have them in schools and that is what there use to, plus someone has brainwashed them into believing they are the best, they are not. In fact Scans came out with one that looked just like the iPod but it was horrible, sound quality bad and controls not the best, but it sure looked pretty.
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8. October 2011 @ 00:01 |
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Originally posted by Mr-Movies:
MP3's were not hard to use they were VERY easy even the Rio. When the Archos came out, I still have the 20GB Jukebox, it was easy to use but big and for some loading music on it might have been a bit confusing but part of that was because it truly was a new device and people were still using and use to Sony WalkMan's and cassette tapes. By the time Rio's came out I had had a MP3 player for close to a decade the Rio was nice as the newer Archos's as they got much smaller. The only thing Jobs did was put a pretty piano black finish on it and make a larger display which was nice but come on the iPods broke way too easy. I still have my original Archos and it works great mean while iPod friends were going on there 3rd iPod because they don't hold up. The sheep follow Apple because they have them in schools and that is what there use to, plus someone has brainwashed them into believing they are the best, they are not. In fact Scans came out with one that looked just like the iPod but it was horrible, sound quality bad and controls not the best, but it sure looked pretty.
u did not have an mp3 player in 1988 lmao
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8. October 2011 @ 09:15 |
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RIP Steve Jobs, who always lived life to the macs.
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8. October 2011 @ 13:11 |
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No in Originally posted by ripstevepjobs:
Originally posted by Mr-Movies:
MP3's were not hard to use they were VERY easy even the Rio. When the Archos came out, I still have the 20GB Jukebox, it was easy to use but big and for some loading music on it might have been a bit confusing but part of that was because it truly was a new device and people were still using and use to Sony WalkMan's and cassette tapes. By the time Rio's came out I had had a MP3 player for close to a decade the Rio was nice as the newer Archos's as they got much smaller. The only thing Jobs did was put a pretty piano black finish on it and make a larger display which was nice but come on the iPods broke way too easy. I still have my original Archos and it works great mean while iPod friends were going on there 3rd iPod because they don't hold up. The sheep follow Apple because they have them in schools and that is what there use to, plus someone has brainwashed them into believing they are the best, they are not. In fact Scans came out with one that looked just like the iPod but it was horrible, sound quality bad and controls not the best, but it sure looked pretty.
u did not have an mp3 player in 1988 lmao
No not in '88 but 1998 when the first MP3 players came out only three years before the first horrible iPod, it seemed longer than that at the time though when I said almost a decade I was thinking around 7 years. And actually I had the Rio first so I got that backwards as I didn't have the 20GB Archos until 2000 which was huge in size even compared to iPod classic in 2001 that was 5-10GB and the Archos would work with Windows. It was at that time I bought a Scansdisk which was just like the iPod but was horrible too.
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8. October 2011 @ 14:10 |
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Not an Apple fan,BUT the man was the genius behind all their products. Which brings up the question who steps in for all the cool new stuff-can't be done? I would have been selling Apple stock the day he resigned and certainly now. I'm just too old to be holding stocks now. RIP.You made your family proud and your country prouder.
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9. October 2011 @ 03:47 |
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Originally posted by garmoon:
Not an Apple fan,BUT the man was the genius behind all their products. Which brings up the question who steps in for all the cool new stuff-can't be done? I would have been selling Apple stock the day he resigned and certainly now. I'm just too old to be holding stocks now. RIP.You made your family proud and your country prouder.
About the only things that Steve brought to the product line were the deathgrip antenna that all his engineers were against and the prohibitions against allowing other companies to provide features to the devices for FREE. Oh, and he also had a hand in that great idea about putting an unshielded speaker directly below the hard disk on one of the older MAC models, causing it to reboot every time the startup sound was played.
He was a salesman...a marketing mastermind. This is a huge thing...honestly, do you think that you could get people to buy an iPhone4 when there are android devices with more features, larger screens, more than double the performance, no deathgrip antenna, and costing far less? Isn't this enough for you people? Why must you say that he did a bunch of things he didn't do while completely ignoring the one thing he was a master of?
Also, calling him anything other than a salesman is an insult to the countless innovators who died without such praise in spite of the fact that they actually innovated.
Calling him a good man is an insult to every good man who ever died without the world praising their name.
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10. October 2011 @ 02:03 |
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Steve Jobs knew what people wanted. Half the population doesn't know what dual core, RAM, processor speed and all mean. They want a phone that's simple, straight forward and easy to use. That's what Apple created. With MacBooks, they created a simple operating system that does what people need without the extra bells and whistles of Windows. Don't get me wrong, I'm not one of those people who think that Windows sucks, I use Windows and I also have a Mac. I love Windows on my desktop where I can install as many programs as I need, hack devices, Jtag, etc. I use my Mac for school. I want simplicity in school and that's what Mac gives me. I don't have an iPhone and I probably will never get one but my Dad is always confused with his Android. He's 75, he doesn't have time to learn how to use a phone. I guarantee you he'll love the iPhone. Icons on a screen, it can't get much simpler than that.
Apple's strong point was Marketing old products with new software. The iPhone 4S is a generation behind. Watch it sell like crazy.
Originally posted by Mr-Movies:
Originally posted by dlockjaw:
I was never a fan of Apple products,but when I saw the first iPod I was hooked. It simply blew away any of the competition. As it evolved further and further and evolved into something much more than just a portable music player driving the industry as it went.
One only has to look around to see the unimaginable impact Mr. Jobs and company have had not only here, but around the world. Love him or hate him it's hard not to admire how his vision of making complex devices both simple to use and really useful made Apple a name synonymous with quality products for the non-technically oriented user.
My sincere condolances to his family. May he now rest in peace.
Nope, iPods were no better than many others that had been on the market for a decade prior including Archos the actual first on the market.
I wouldn't consider iPod's better than any other device. There were many other devices with more features such as the Zune (30GB iPod Video vs 30GB Zune; Zune had more features). What made the iPods and every other Apple product a winner was the simplicity of use.
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10. October 2011 @ 09:12 |
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Originally posted by core2kid:
What made the iPods and every other Apple product a winner was the simplicity of use.
This is it exactly. I don't care what anyone says, the MP3 players I remember using at the time had three times as many buttons that were always placed differently and therefore had a learning curve. And they were all just so clunky; I realize the first-gen iPods weren't too much better, but they still were.
DVDBack, thank you, I wanted to say something similar but didn't have time to research a timeline and I wasn't in to the market when I was young like I am now.
Mr-Movies, this is just personal opinion of course and so a bit irrelevant, but I have not touched a single Archos product that I've enjoyed at any time of my life. MP3/MP4 players and tablets alike. That's not to say they don't hold up better and don't work well (and I haven't played with much Android on one) but the UI's (especially on older products I tried) always felt buggy and had weird menu placements. Again, just opinion, and I haven't played with many since the Android craze has started.
And KillerBug, no he's not an engineer or creator. But he is still responsible for one of the most recognizable brand names in existence and I'm still of the strong belief that had he not crashed so strongly into the market with the iPhone, we would not have so many devices that are price-conscientious with better tech and more features. He set a standard for others to beat; without that standard these things would have gone a different direction altogether. Do you remember old HTC devices? Absolutely awful devices compared to the Palms and BlackBerries of the time, yellowish and unresponsive screens, buggy performance. Now look at them, arguably some of the best phones in the market.
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10. October 2011 @ 09:44 |
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I'll take a slower drag and drop generic MP3 player over a Itunes infested device any day of the week!
Speaking of which is there any app that will turn an jail broken Ipod touch into one?(IE shows the folders and such so I don't have to use Itunes just put the files directly on the device.)
Copyright infringement is nothing more than civil disobedience to a bad set of laws. Lets renegotiate them.
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10. October 2011 @ 09:58 |
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Originally posted by ZippyDSM:
I'll take a slower drag and drop generic MP3 player over a Itunes infested device any day of the week!
Speaking of which is there any app that will turn an jail broken Ipod touch into one?(IE shows the folders and such so I don't have to use Itunes just put the files directly on the device.)
SMS Media Player through Cydia and DiskAid on Windows/Mac.
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10. October 2011 @ 10:04 |
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Originally posted by ZippyDSM:
I'll take a slower drag and drop generic MP3 player over a Itunes infested device any day of the week!
Speaking of which is there any app that will turn an jail broken Ipod touch into one?(IE shows the folders and such so I don't have to use Itunes just put the files directly on the device.)
I don't know. I used to try drag'n'dropping on un-jailbroken devices like an idiot lol the music would go but not get picked up because of the naming scheme. I think there might could be something, but that naming scheme would require some conversion process. You know, you can use foobar to manage your iPods and all right? I'd recommend that program to anyone due to its openness and huge add-on base; but I don't know of a way to add files manually.
**Originally posted by core2kid:
SMS Media Player through Cydia and DiskAid on Windows/Mac.
There you have it
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10. October 2011 @ 12:01 |
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Well DiskAid/fileapp is a loss for music management but not for documents(tho have to make them on the PC and put them on the Ipod via DiskAid/fileapp). I still can't save notes to the PC I have quick office which lets me copy stuff from a web browser.
Would love to use the podcast selection for talk radio MP3s I record but I can not use that feature it seems locked to the Itunes store, I can make a play list to play only the radio stuff but its hard to do it as so the radio stuff dose not get caught in playing music ><
Copyright infringement is nothing more than civil disobedience to a bad set of laws. Lets renegotiate them.
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10. October 2011 @ 13:47 |
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One thing about the apple Iphone, besides all the apps and gadgets is that the PHONE part is not a very good phone. My wife's 3GS dropped 2 calls to my daughter's 3G coming home from work today. My daughter has already ordered the Iphone 4. My creative Jukebox mp3 was really a clunker from 2003. Loaded now, with no way to change anything, because the software won't install on my win7pc. But it always worked. And I could change the battery.
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10. October 2011 @ 15:21 |
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Originally posted by Mr-Movies:
Originally posted by mac2012:
Steve changed the world I have owned ipods since 2001 and they are great its ironic that I have never owned a mp3 player other than the ipod. my current one is the nano 5g, the one with the camera but RIP Steve
Is it ironic? That isn't the word I'd use. :D
I mean every year I go into Best Buy and I say I'm going to buy a new mp3 player and I end up buying a ipod
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13. October 2011 @ 13:28 |
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Originally posted by ORLY?!:
Innovator?! FFS!!! What exactly did he innovate?!
He managed to make the Ipod synonymous with MP3 player. Other than that nothing much.
Copyright infringement is nothing more than civil disobedience to a bad set of laws. Lets renegotiate them.
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13. October 2011 @ 14:38 |
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Originally posted by mac2012:
Originally posted by Mr-Movies:
Originally posted by mac2012:
Steve changed the world I have owned ipods since 2001 and they are great its ironic that I have never owned a mp3 player other than the ipod. my current one is the nano 5g, the one with the camera but RIP Steve
Is it ironic? That isn't the word I'd use. :D
I mean every year I go into Best Buy and I say I'm going to buy a new mp3 player and I end up buying a ipod
Your point is? I know people that continue to by shatty cars every time again or make the same mistakes again, so your point is??
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19. October 2011 @ 18:12 |
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Originally posted by ORLY?!:
Originally posted by ZippyDSM:
Originally posted by ORLY?!:
Innovator?! FFS!!! What exactly did he innovate?!
He managed to make the Ipod synonymous with MP3 player. Other than that nothing much.
Stupid much?
Round corners and sales mad skills are NOT innovation; they're just that: round corners and sales mad skills.
What are market innovations called then? Tho an inventor he is not. The most I can stomach him being called is a great businessman and a innovator in business/products which is different and very separate from creating a product IMO.
Copyright infringement is nothing more than civil disobedience to a bad set of laws. Lets renegotiate them.
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