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28 companies sign up for new 'SOPA,' CISPA
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article published on 9 April, 2012
28 companies have revealed support for the new "Cyber Intelligence Sharing and Protection Act of 2011 (H.R. 3523)."
The act was introduced by Rep. Mike Rogers and Rep. Dutch Ruppersberger and will "allow companies or the government free rein to bypass existing laws in order to monitor communications, filter content, or potentially even shut down access to online services for 'cybersecurity ... [ read the full article ]
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11. April 2012 @ 11:19 |
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Originally posted by R0gueW0lf:
The laws on that vary from state to state. In many states both parties must be made aware the conversation is being recorded, otherwise it's still illegal.
Although I didn't mention it, you are correct, the does indeed vary... However, NO, if it is JUST you and ONE other party, the legality is grayed into 'your' favor. That's what makes it so dangerous.
Why do you think shows that broadcast crank calling never get successfully sued? Because of the explanation given.
You may want to use the justification of other establishments alerting you to the fact that say a phone conversation is being recorded, but that's to alert you to the fact you can't back out of a contract.
No folks, this is a special kind of dispensation that allows corporations to cross state lines & pear further into your privacy than just 'recording a phone call' (as it were) & reporting back to the government. It's a blatant obliteration of the understanding that the government NOT spy on its own people.
And it's NOT for our own safety either... George Orwell was a British novelist & I'm an old fat bastard... yet here we are.
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11. April 2012 @ 18:07 |
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Originally posted by WW3:
...that's great to hear, but if you truly want to resolve the situation run for congress don't take to hacking, the risk isn't as steep.
Do not believe in Politicians: all of them are coming from the same elite families and they only take $$$ from the corporations who support them and do not represent us, The people anymore !
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11. April 2012 @ 18:32 |
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Originally posted by Mrguss:
Originally posted by WW3:
...that's great to hear, but if you truly want to resolve the situation run for congress don't take to hacking, the risk isn't as steep.
Do not believe in Politicians: all of them are coming from the same elite families and they only take $$$ from the corporations who support them and do not represent us, The people anymore !
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I never claimed to, but in order to work through the system we need to have at least one good and honest person on the inside. The more people work through the system, the more independent thinking people who actually run for the system, the better the chance of actually cleaning up the system and reforming it.
It was once said that you can't buy anything "made in america" anymore, I find that totally untrue. Just look up on Pennsylvanian Avenue and you'll see hundreds of made in America's! The problem isn't just "left v right" it's a major change in the way the media works, the way the army works and the way the presidency works. When we finished up WW2, all of those vets who went on to become reporters did it to protect the country as a common interest, now it's to protect the interests of each side, they could give a damn less about what happens, as long as the media on both sides pushes for everything to be "fair" and "equal"... They are/were and always have been destroying the very fiber of America. Hard work and dedication, we didn't go to the moon spending 5 months teaching jimmy 2+2 when the rest of the class was learning to divide.
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12. April 2012 @ 10:23 |
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I would wager that within a year after implementation of CISPA, the MPAA will use it to bludgeon ISPs into blocking Slysoft.
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12. April 2012 @ 11:06 |
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Originally posted by Blessedon:
I would wager that within a year after implementation of CISPA, the MPAA will use it to bludgeon ISPs into blocking Slysoft.
I say half the time at least.
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12. April 2012 @ 11:58 |
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Intel & Microsoft on the List? they would be at a major loss with these Anti-freedom law's passing i wonder what computer are used for when looking and reading document's of law's & prohibition? is Only allowed
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13. April 2012 @ 22:01 |
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Man, don't they get it??
No one in the US wants these idiotic laws shoved up our butts.
If they pass this crap, and I wouldn't put it pass them, then there's going to be a revolution of sorts in the US, whether economic or other methods.
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17. April 2012 @ 01:27 |
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Originally posted by wspdl:
Seeing Facebook on this list doesn't surprise me at all since everyone on the planet knows Facebook doesn't give a rats a$$ about peoples privacy and cant wait to sell our information for a profit.
They *already* sell your information. Most users don't realize that, as far as FaceBook is concerned, the users *are* the product...
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17. April 2012 @ 01:36 |
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Originally posted by phobet:
Originally posted by wspdl:
Seeing Facebook on this list doesn't surprise me at all since everyone on the planet knows Facebook doesn't give a rats a$$ about peoples privacy and cant wait to sell our information for a profit.
They *already* sell your information. Most users don't realize that, as far as FaceBook is concerned, the users *are* the product...
I had a secret account with them for a few friends I "tripped" the security system they had. I sent an email to them about it, they want a phone number, or a government id card... I told them I couldn't produce that. They wanted a scan of my birth certificate, or a credit card scanned "numbers removed" or a billing statement, or several other very personal documents. I think it's a little extreme, with the little being very, very sarcastic. I guess this is what happens when you deal with someone based out of san fransicko.
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17. April 2012 @ 01:41 |
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Originally posted by Mrguss:
Originally posted by WW3:
...that's great to hear, but if you truly want to resolve the situation run for congress don't take to hacking, the risk isn't as steep.
Do not believe in Politicians: all of them are coming from the same elite families and they only take $$$ from the corporations who support them and do not represent us, The people anymore !
LOBBYING : Closer to Bribery or Extortion? http://bit.ly/IfgxFR
They stopped representing us as soon as the courts deemed that "corporations are people" too. Only the corporations can afford to pay for lobbyists to carry forth their agenda, while the actual people are marginalized because they can't pay enough.
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17. April 2012 @ 01:51 |
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CISPA is similar enough to the recently defeated SOPA and PIPA bills, both of which had good intentions for copyright holders but severely missed the mark in regards to privacy and censorship.
So it would seem that they have hit the mark in regards to privacy and censorship. With the "war on terror", they can justify ignoring the first, and accomplishing the second, as long as its in context of fighting the newest "ism"...
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17. April 2012 @ 07:18 |
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Originally posted by phobet:
Originally posted by Mrguss:
Do not believe in Politicians: all of them are coming from the same elite families and they only take $$$ from the corporations who support them and do not represent us, The people anymore!
LOBBYING : Closer to Bribery or Extortion? http://bit.ly/IfgxFR
They stopped representing us as soon as the courts deemed that "corporations are people" too. Only the corporations can afford to pay for lobbyists to carry forth their agenda, while the actual people are marginalized because they can't pay enough.
May I say; that I keep regular contact with [most of] my elected representatives, and have been honored to meet and engage in discussions with several , but not those who have been there the longest usually end up on the Dark Side. I often hear the misused aphorism; "They're all corrupt!", but it is grossly untrue. Please believe me; We have some truly outstanding and honorable representatives, trying to right a foundering ship - made so by apathetic, uninformed, yet opinionated voters who look up nothing, but will repeat the TV's propaganda believing that they know all they need to.
The "system" is not "broken"; the voters are. Jefferson presciently noted: "?If once the people become inattentive to the public affairs, you and I, and Congress and Assemblies, Judges and Governors, shall all become as wolves"...and so it is.
Daily, lazy voters complete their tasks, then activate the propaganda display. They drone to the endless tabloid shows, nod compliantly to the "news", read no books with their family, yet annually cast their nation's fate with ignorance.
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17. April 2012 @ 11:10 |
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Originally posted by Blessedon:
Daily, lazy voters complete their tasks, then activate the propaganda display. They drone to the endless tabloid shows, nod compliantly to the "news", read no books with their family, yet annually cast their nation's fate with ignorance.
Eloquently put sir, how do you propose we solve such a state?
Without causing a severe violation of Rule #15, Radicals of either the L/R are said to practice within the confines of Jefferson's parameters, but I'm sure we wouldn't have a one of them in charge.
Quoting great leaders of the past may put things in a historical perspective as to poignantly state that we're repeating ourselves, but does little to offer balance. And I don't mean having the pendulum swing 180 in the opposite direction. That's no good either.
Reading isn't the full answer either, as with any propaganda, 'garbage in = garbage out'. Just because it was in print doesn't make it any less believable or harmful. Somewhere there has to be a barometer of balance. I'm not saying it's CNN, but it certainly isn't Fox News either. Equally so, religious dogma can be a dangerous ground for which many a war has been the basis of, thus an absolute to avoid.
If you're saying people should get involved, then pray tell, how & why... Honor & integrity of what originally bore this nation into existence still had 'some' merit. Sans the argument of some, people back then were brought up differently. Your word did actually mean something.
When both can now actually have a price & be literally bought, no amount of literacy is going to undo that kind of damage. What tabloid fodder do you speak of is televising that? I believe it's called the evening news.
Maybe it is I that's a bit hopeless. I really do want to believe that more people are smarter than 'that' & are simply beaten down by our elitist government officials & their lust of greed & their loss of touch of the fact that they're still human themselves.
Facts are, individuals left in these positions of power become drunk with it. Thus, career politicians should NEVER exist. Obviously, a long enough history of this practice has occurred to know the effects, so a cap must go into place a stands WILL be maintained. Period.
Like the military, any infringements will be dealt with in the most forceful & merciless of fashions as they are expected to live to a higher standard than the rest of us, so why shouldn't the damned politicians? Therefore I believe this would not only cut down on special interest, but also this kind of belligerent social rights injustices.
If nothing more, it's a start.
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17. April 2012 @ 11:14 |
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Originally posted by Blessedon:
Originally posted by phobet:
Originally posted by Mrguss:
Do not believe in Politicians: all of them are coming from the same elite families and they only take $$$ from the corporations who support them and do not represent us, The people anymore!
LOBBYING : Closer to Bribery or Extortion? http://bit.ly/IfgxFR
They stopped representing us as soon as the courts deemed that "corporations are people" too. Only the corporations can afford to pay for lobbyists to carry forth their agenda, while the actual people are marginalized because they can't pay enough.
May I say; that I keep regular contact with [most of] my elected representatives, and have been honored to meet and engage in discussions with several , but not those who have been there the longest usually end up on the Dark Side. I often hear the misused aphorism; "They're all corrupt!", but it is grossly untrue. Please believe me; We have some truly outstanding and honorable representatives, trying to right a foundering ship - made so by apathetic, uninformed, yet opinionated voters who look up nothing, but will repeat the TV's propaganda believing that they know all they need to.
The "system" is not "broken"; the voters are. Jefferson presciently noted: "?If once the people become inattentive to the public affairs, you and I, and Congress and Assemblies, Judges and Governors, shall all become as wolves"...and so it is.
Daily, lazy voters complete their tasks, then activate the propaganda display. They drone to the endless tabloid shows, nod compliantly to the "news", read no books with their family, yet annually cast their nation's fate with ignorance.
It all really started with the "new deal". The way elected officials used to be placed was as a representative of the governor of each state, but with the passing of the new deal, the way things worked changed. No longer did elected governors appoint members of congress, the elected official was appointed by the popular vote, ushering in the ability for massive corruption.
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17. April 2012 @ 11:26 |
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Originally posted by Blessedon:
Originally posted by phobet:
Originally posted by Mrguss:
Do not believe in Politicians: all of them are coming from the same elite families and they only take $$$ from the corporations who support them and do not represent us, The people anymore!
LOBBYING : Closer to Bribery or Extortion? http://bit.ly/IfgxFR
They stopped representing us as soon as the courts deemed that "corporations are people" too. Only the corporations can afford to pay for lobbyists to carry forth their agenda, while the actual people are marginalized because they can't pay enough.
May I say; that I keep regular contact with [most of] my elected representatives, and have been honored to meet and engage in discussions with several , but not those who have been there the longest usually end up on the Dark Side. I often hear the misused aphorism; "They're all corrupt!", but it is grossly untrue. Please believe me; We have some truly outstanding and honorable representatives, trying to right a foundering ship - made so by apathetic, uninformed, yet opinionated voters who look up nothing, but will repeat the TV's propaganda believing that they know all they need to.
The "system" is not "broken"; the voters are. Jefferson presciently noted: "?If once the people become inattentive to the public affairs, you and I, and Congress and Assemblies, Judges and Governors, shall all become as wolves"...and so it is.
Daily, lazy voters complete their tasks, then activate the propaganda display. They drone to the endless tabloid shows, nod compliantly to the "news", read no books with their family, yet annually cast their nation's fate with ignorance.
It's not about being lazy, because I'm not. It's not about thinking that all politicians are corrupt, I don't think that at all. It's not about believing that the system is broken, because it isn't. The system is working exactly as designed. Unfortunately, most politicians have "shiny ball syndrome". Those that donate the most get their attention. As well as dealing with professional lobbyists, who are professionals at *holding* their attention. You cannot compete with that, as the average voter cannot afford to donate as much as special interest. Also, the average voter is neither trained to manipulate their politicians (and they shouldn't have to be), nor do they have the amount of resources available to them that a lobbyist does. And most voters (those that are still gainfully employed, despite the economy) still have to show up for work. So where do they find the time? Now you could say that if they really believed in a certain issue, they would find the time. But then it becomes a choice of "Do I put food on the table, or do I spend more time on a certain issue". It's an unfair advantage special interest has.
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17. April 2012 @ 13:35 |
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Originally posted by WW3:
It all really started with the "new deal". The way elected officials used to be placed was as a representative of the governor of each state, but with the passing of the new deal, the way things worked changed. No longer did elected governors appoint members of congress, the elected official was appointed by the popular vote, ushering in the ability for massive corruption.
You are referencing the 17th amendment; THE most liberty-trampling, corruption-inducing product in legislative history.
For those unaware; the 17th amendment was designed, written,and lobbied by the banks and insurance companies. It was ratified in April of 1913; two months after the 16th; which established the Income Tax, then followed by the establishment of the Federal Reserve, later that year.
With the passage of the 17th, senators were no longer appointed directly from the States' legislatures - where the appointees had been responsible to the people and could be recalled, instead it was sold to the people that electing their senators would give them more choice. Instead what occurred was that senators could be more easily bribed through elections by the banks.
Together, the three aforementioned acts ripped control of their government away from the people, and initiated the downfall of the United States into what will likely be communism if the incumbent is reelected in November.
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17. April 2012 @ 14:53 |
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LR - The easy answer?
Term limits
The better answer?
Abolish the two party system.
Oh, Im sorry... Did the middle of my sentence interrupt the beginning of yours?
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17. April 2012 @ 18:30 |
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Originally posted by ThePastor:
LR - The easy answer?
Term limits
The better answer?
Abolish the two party system.
I can see that working... Public flogging might be of some benefit too.
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17. April 2012 @ 19:02 |
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Lynch mob like the good old days. Government should be founded on rules and structure, much like the rules that they pass onto us.
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