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Want to fix the Retina Display MacBook Pro yourself? Forget it, you can't
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article published on 13 June, 2012
The news comes via popular DIY tech site iFixit.
iFixit was able to get their hands on the new MacBook Pro with Retina Display and has some bad news for eager Mac fans.
The site took the notebook apart and gave it the worst repair score possible, a heinous 1 out of 10.
"This is, to date, the least-repairable laptop we've taken apart," added Kyle Wiens, CEO of iFixit. "Apple has ... [ read the full article ]
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Bozobub
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14. June 2012 @ 11:57 |
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Originally posted by robertmro:
Laptops are of course more restrictive than desktops but they're upgradable.
Six screws on recent models.
That's really difficult for a genius.
And a soldered-down SSD chip array and RAM. Oops! Upgrade THAT, genius. And don't forget the glued-down components and case =p !
Oh, and let's not ignore the fact that those "6 screws" are all very, VERY non-standard.
You're *not* going to be able to gloss over the fact that this very expensive machine is expressly designed to not be upgradeable by most (in fact, nearly all) users.
P.S. Sherlock is a fictional character, and therefore is smarter than noone at all =) .
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4iiiis
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14. June 2012 @ 12:11 |
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Originally posted by dali:
Originally posted by salsa36:
Really? how many times do you have to fix an apple computer?
I have 3 Macbook Pro and I've never had a problem (one of them is 5 years old).
Think about it. What would you do if those were your products, would you want people to do stuff by themselves or get some extra income? It not personal just business...
Really? Don't you know Apple does *NOT* produce *ANY* of the components inside their "products"? Don't you know that the *SAME* memory, processor, SSD, etc. can be found on a laptop which costs 10% of the price?
BTW, I have a Linux box acting as a router which has never been shut down in 18 years but for power surges or upgrades, a couple of HP ML110 servers 10 years old each, a desktop computer which is 10 years old, the same smartphone for the last 3 years... All of them surviving in good health because I don't knock about them in a regular basis (most fanboys are more concerned about their crapple gadgets than their own lives) and, yes, I could upgrade them without desoldering or removing glue from anything.
Lets hear it for the retina display.
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14. June 2012 @ 12:12 |
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Originally posted by dali:
Originally posted by salsa36:
Really? Don't you know Apple does *NOT* produce *ANY* of the components inside their "products".
Not completely true anymore.
Apple is producing more of their components to reduce size.
I love Linux too but don't forget OSX is Linux based and Linux isn't really appropriate for the average user.
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14. June 2012 @ 12:18 |
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P.S. Sherlock is a fictional character, and therefore is smarter than noone at all =) .
Who is noone?
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Bozobub
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14. June 2012 @ 12:30 |
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Originally posted by robertmro:
P.S. Sherlock is a fictional character, and therefore is smarter than noone at all =) .
Who is noone?
"No one". You're going to have to do a lot better than nitpicking typos. Perhaps a counter-argument, as a suggestion?
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14. June 2012 @ 12:43 |
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Originally posted by 4iiiis:
Lets hear it for the retina display.
Hear what? You just quoted the entire post. If you're talking about the manufacturer of the retina display, as you should know, it's developed by Samsung.
"You know, it seems that quotes on the internet are becoming less and less reliable." -Abraham Lincoln.
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14. June 2012 @ 12:48 |
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Originally posted by Bozobub:
Originally posted by robertmro:
P.S. Sherlock is a fictional character, and therefore is smarter than noone at all =) .
Who is noone?
"No one". You're going to have to do a lot better than nitpicking typos. Perhaps a counter-argument, as a suggestion?
My best best retort is: If you hate APPLE, which I think you do, and you would never buy an APPLE product. Why don't you just leave APPLE fanboys (and girls) alone to spend their money the way they want to?.
They don't need or want to be "educated" by you.
There has to be a fundamental problem underlying your need to criticize them and only you can figure out what that is.
In terms of what is really better, a Mac, a PC or a Linux box? Each person has to decide that for themselves.
In the free world we have choices.
I rest my case.
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14. June 2012 @ 12:49 |
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Originally posted by robertmro:
Originally posted by dali:
Really? Don't you know Apple does *NOT* produce *ANY* of the components inside their "products".
Not completely true anymore.
Apple is producing more of their components to reduce size.
Nope. They order other manufacturers to build the same things but smaller or with different shapes, so they only fit into their cases. That's not a slight difference.
If not, please, tell me, who are the actually makers of the RAM, the SSD, the processor, the Graphics chip, the retina display, ...?
Originally posted by robertmro:
I love Linux too but don't forget OSX is Linux based and Linux isn't really appropriate for the average user.
OSX is Unix based, like Linux itself.
"You know, it seems that quotes on the internet are becoming less and less reliable." -Abraham Lincoln.
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14. June 2012 @ 12:52 |
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Originally posted by Notcow:
Maybe Apple finally realized that all of their customers are so technologically inept that they don't have any concern for fixing things themselves, or upgrading RAM for that matter. Everyone I know who owns a Mac most likely wouldn't be able to tell the difference between a laptop with 4GB of RAM vs 16GB of RAM.
Also, using glued in batteries may have something to do with trying to fit in another battery. So they don't need to worry about clips and such. Either way, this will be just another one of Apple's shiny, expensive jails.
I enjoyed your sense of humor and I tend to agree with everything you said.
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14. June 2012 @ 12:56 |
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Originally posted by robertmro:
In the free world we have choices.
So we have. And, in fact, we have the choice of ranting at whatever bad practice we hear about.
We're not asking anyone to agree with us. We know there'll always be people who find this FAIL awesome or, at least, suitable for their needs. Not my case. I don't find any joy in burning my money away.
"You know, it seems that quotes on the internet are becoming less and less reliable." -Abraham Lincoln.
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Ben79
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14. June 2012 @ 13:13 |
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Originally posted by robertmro:
Originally posted by Ben79:
Apple does allow you buy a new $3800 laptop any time you want to keep up with relevant technology. Just don't touch their hardware in your laptop, and you will get along fine. It's all part of the "Apple Experience".
Have you ever owned, operated, opened, changed a component, upgraded the RAM, or preformed maintenance on any Mac computers?
I don't think so.
The less these guys know the more they criticize .
I have owned, operated, maintained a few Mac systems. I just don't care for proprietary hardware. The new Retina MacBook Pro just takes it to the proprietary extreme, and reminds of why I do not buy Macs anymore.
Don't get your panties in a bunch. I'm just showing my dislike for what is now the Apple mantra. Just stating my opinion... which is neither right or wrong.
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14. June 2012 @ 13:42 |
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Originally posted by robertmro:
My best best retort is: If you hate APPLE, which I think you do, and you would never buy an APPLE product. Why don't you just leave APPLE fanboys (and girls) alone to spend their money the way they want to?.
They don't need or want to be "educated" by you.
There has to be a fundamental problem underlying your need to criticize them and only you can figure out what that is.
In terms of what is really better, a Mac, a PC or a Linux box? Each person has to decide that for themselves.
In the free world we have choices.
I rest my case.
Oh Robert how we have missed you and your Genius-level Apple fanboyism. It has certainly been awhile. How can you possibly defend a product that cannot by fixed or upgraded without being sent in?
I have worked on over a dozen MacBooks (the ugly white ones) from the 2007-2010 period for friends and family and almost ALL of them had dead HDDs, slower performance, etc. On those, the owners called Apple who wanted to charge $150 just to LOOK at it, not including components. The actual price to add RAM and replace the HDD? About $70 and 15 minutes work.
Apple computers are built for those who just want a computer "that works" without caring about what is inside or learning even the basics of computer use. They pay a very heavy premium for such a "luxury." The old "Macs don't get viruses" adage has been decimated. What other arguments are there? "Macs dont break down." I beg to differ, as does my buddy who used to work at the Apple Store in Westchester. "Macs perform better." Put $2199 worth of specs together in a Windows or Linux rig and see if the Mac keeps up.
Robert, I know you own the 4S, the iPod Touch, a Nano, iPad 1,2,3, MacBook Pro and probably an old school G3, but please, if you have nothing to bring to the table, why come?
Also, if you're gonna nitpick on people's grammar, in your very first post, its "than," not "then."
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14. June 2012 @ 14:41 |
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Originally posted by DVDBack23:
Apple computers are built for those who just want a computer "that works" without caring about what is inside or learning even the basics of computer use. They pay a very heavy premium for such a "luxury." The old "Macs don't get viruses" adage has been decimated. What other arguments are there? "Macs dont break down." I beg to differ, as does my buddy who used to work at the Apple Store in Westchester. "Macs perform better." Put $2199 worth of specs together in a Windows or Linux rig and see if the Mac keeps up.
I see no better argument... Since I stood in line to plop down $100 for the first ever break in ramm prices (a whopping $100 for 8MB, yes, 8MB), I've seen the hand built PCs run circles around our Apple counter parts.
Even from my first dual core AMD 1600FX scorching a dual core Apple Power Mac doing video rendering (by 12 hours) there has to be something to the "real world physics".
I believe it's a simple case of good people hating to see bad things/business happening to equally good people. We just can't be there for their intervention.
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14. June 2012 @ 14:43 |
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Originally posted by DVDBack23:
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Robert, I know you own the 4S, the iPod Touch, a Nano, iPad 1,2,3, MacBook Pro and probably an old school G3, but please, if you have nothing to bring to the table, why come?
Also, if you're gonna nitpick on people's grammar, in your very first post, its "than," not "then."
Ah, I was gonna rip into it, you just robbed me of the pleasure...
Originally posted by iamgq:
Originally posted by cyprusrom:
Originally posted by iamgq:
Just wondering, if you guys got this computer for free (won it it whatever), would you really be in a rush to upgrade it? replace the screen or anything off it?
No, wouldn't upgrade it. Would sell it to an CrApple-sheeple, make a nice profit and with half the money buy a real computer, with total control over it.
Ok fair enough, please tell me were I can go buy a real computer? fill me in with the specs and all. Id like a real computer for once.
That is easy...just make sure it doesn't have as a logo an apple that's been bitten off.
If I were to nitpick at the logo, I'd say it represents everything Apple stands for- everything except care for its customers. That is the little(BIG) piece that is missing.
It should be a crime to exploit people that cannot think for themselves.Those people should be protected under some Disability Rights Laws. However, there comes the free will issue again(which in the case of fanatic Apple fan-boys is a bit of an oxymoron, since they seem to be brainwashed into buying anything with an Apple logo on it, even if it is just an ordinary brick).
If you don't want or cannot think, don't care, don't want to know,and have the money to throw around and buy the luxury of not being bothered to know or think, please do buy that luxury. Just give up on trying to convince people that a turd can smell like roses.
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14. June 2012 @ 15:17 |
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Oh Robert how we have missed you and your Genius-level Apple fanboyism. It has certainly been awhile.
DVDBack23, are you really a staff member?
OK then you should be smart enough to track down my resume.
How does it compare to yours?
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14. June 2012 @ 15:50 |
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"DVDBack23, are you really a staff member?
OK then you should be smart enough to track down my resume.
How does it compare to yours?"
Resumes are mostly lies.
I was one of the 200 people people who worked for Stanford U assembling the first internet site in the US. Most likely before you were born.
Being an Apple fanboy doesn't fair well for you. If I was a supervisor I would throw your resume into the circular file.
Sorry to be so harsh but Apples really are not that great unless you just want to press the, "go button."
One program that I can think of is useable for me. That is Pro Tools. Since I own a 32 track recording machine, Pro Tools would be redundant. I can find editing tools for the PC that won't break the bank.
Jeff
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14. June 2012 @ 15:59 |
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Originally posted by Jeffrey_P:
"DVDBack23, are you really a staff member?
OK then you should be smart enough to track down my resume.
How does it compare to yours?"
Resumes are mostly lies.
I was one of the 200 people people who worked for Stanford U assembling the first internet site in the US. Most likely before you were born.
Being an Apple fanboy doesn't fair well for you. If I was a supervisor I would throw your resume into the circular file.
Sorry to be so harsh but Apples really are not that great unless you just want to press the, "go button."
One program that I can think of is useable for me. That is Pro Tools. Since I own a 32 track recording machine, Pro Tools would be redundant. I can find editing tools for the PC that won't break the bank.
Jeff
Check my resume little man.
You grew up watching my stuff on TV and the movies.
Moderating afterdawn for peanuts or less, you're making my side hurt. lol.
Oh, I forgot. Say hi to Al Gore for me.
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If Apple can sell this idea, then more power to them.
I personally like being able to repair, tweak and customize the things I own. But I also respect that some people don't have the desire to tinker and some people just want to be able to say they own the newest and shiniest toy on the market. It doesn't make them any dumber or smarter in my opinion. It just makes them consumers with apparently a lot more disposable income than me.
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Jeffrey_P
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14. June 2012 @ 16:34 |
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"Check my resume little man.
You grew up watching my stuff on TV and the movies.
Moderating afterdawn for peanuts or less, you're making my side hurt. lol.
Oh, I forgot. Say hi to Al Gore for me."
I doubt it, I was born in '55. I watched real cartoons and other TV show. 99% of those people who created, produced and stared in have passed away.
Do your history and you will find out where the first internet site was located in the US. Which as we both know has nothing to do with Al Gore.
Impress me.. Email me your resume. I'm not going to waste my time figuring out who you proclaim to be.
While you're at it, pull your head out of the back side and admit Apple isn't all what you pimps make it out to be.
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If you do a little digging, you'll find out I was a radiological/Electronics detection
device design engineer. You know... radiation detection that saves lives?
The testing for the internet was a voluntary job. Since I knew a little something, something about computers I wanted to help.
My name is still listed on the SLAC website. All you have to do is figure out what my name is.
Jeff
Cars, Guitars & Radiation.
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thats a huge reason why i dont touch macs,, ya cant really upgrade them, and yes price of parts are triple.
I will NEVER get a mac.
Ive worked on peoples computers, and some thats all they knew was a mac. but they wanted to always upgreade. i told them about the wonder PC. and 1 guy literally threw his mac in the trash lol and went out and bought a brand new intel laptop. he said it was the best thing hes ever done.
So if ya have a mac, just throw it away, dont sell it, or give it away, we dont want others to be in the same boat.
mac is really for those out there who are basically "Simple" and when i mean simple, i mean those who dont know the difference between there butthole and a hole in the ground.
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14. June 2012 @ 17:29 |
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This is one of the best fanboy hi-jacked news topics I've read in a while. If you're posting here arguing about components then you are not part of Apple's average consumer base, so as valid as your point may be you're somewhat missing the point.
Apple has always been about 'innovation' and user experience (at least, in my opinion). They sell decent spec (albeit overpriced), well designed products and this ticks both of the boxes that the average Apple consumer will be considering. There's also the undeniable 'designer culture' surrounding the brand. Apple sell to their target market and they do it well.
Before I get jumped on for sounding like an Apple fanboy, I think it's pretty horrible. I would rather have a laptop for the money, for obvious reasons.
The only thing I appreciate about Apple products is build quality; something that does get overlooked in my opinion. The touchpad and keyboard, for example, are the best I've used on any laptop (and the functionality that the touchpad gestures bring).
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14. June 2012 @ 17:33 |
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Originally posted by Jeffrey_P:
"Check my resume little man.
You grew up watching my stuff on TV and the movies.
Moderating afterdawn for peanuts or less, you're making my side hurt. lol.
Oh, I forgot. Say hi to Al Gore for me."
I doubt it, I was born in '55. I watched real cartoons and other TV show. 99% of those people who created, produced and stared in have passed away.
Do your history and you will find out where the first internet site was located in the US. Which as we both know has nothing to do with Al Gore.
Impress me.. Email me your resume. I'm not going to waste my time figuring out who you proclaim to be.
While you're at it, pull your head out of the back side and admit Apple isn't all what you pimps make it out to be.
Edit:
If you do a little digging, you'll find out I was a radiological/Electronics detection
device design engineer. You know... radiation detection that saves lives?
The testing for the internet was a voluntary job. Since I knew a little something, something about computers I wanted to help.
My name is still listed on the SLAC website. All you have to do is figure out what my name is.
Jeff
The game is over, check your messages.
Peace
Robert
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14. June 2012 @ 17:37 |
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my pc is better than yours
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14. June 2012 @ 17:43 |
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Honestly I don't think it's all THAT bad. Looking at the specs of the machine the price is not as ridiculous as it could have been.
The real deal breaker in my opinion is the fact its not really repairable.
Mac's are typically pretty reliable, but when they break down they BREAK DOWN. So not being able to repair them really isn't good since lord knows the apple "geniuses" don't know what they are doing.
I'm a pc man, almost all my computers, desktop or laptop, are pc's. But I got a few macs here and there. Get them at the right price and they are good machines.
So I don't get this argument!
Let the fanboys buy it, then buy it off them for a lower price!
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14. June 2012 @ 17:47 |
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Apple does thing how they want to do them, plain and simple. Look at every product that they have produced, they are extremely hard if not impossible to fix yourself.
People who love apple will spend their money on apple products, that is a fact. Just like people who love windows or linux will spend their money the same way. We all have some vice that we dont want to bend on, and Apple people are no exception to the rule. Me, im a windows man myself, but i grew up using apple products. Doesnt mean that i like them, but it gave me the first taste of what a computer was, and all these years later i still turn to windows because it is what im comfortable with, and to be truthful i can customize it the way i want it. My win7 laptop is as unique as i am, boot screen welcome screen and all. Cant say i can do that too much with a mac. not to mention i can customize my laptop and desktop. I have a 2k beast at home running 1GB video and 48GB RAM, it eats apple machines alive and craps on steve jobs grave :).
But i must say this though, we all love what we love in this world.
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