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Want to fix the Retina Display MacBook Pro yourself? Forget it, you can't
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article published on 13 June, 2012
The news comes via popular DIY tech site iFixit.
iFixit was able to get their hands on the new MacBook Pro with Retina Display and has some bad news for eager Mac fans.
The site took the notebook apart and gave it the worst repair score possible, a heinous 1 out of 10.
"This is, to date, the least-repairable laptop we've taken apart," added Kyle Wiens, CEO of iFixit. "Apple has ... [ read the full article ]
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14. June 2012 @ 18:11 |
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Originally posted by robertmro:
Oh Robert how we have missed you and your Genius-level Apple fanboyism. It has certainly been awhile.
DVDBack23, are you really a staff member?
OK then you should be smart enough to track down my resume.
How does it compare to yours?
I could do that, or I could do something else. You lost credibility by hijacking all Android threads on Afterdawn with your fanboyism, especially articles that only briefly mentioned Apple. Unless you are Steve Wozniak, can't see why your resume would have any bearing on that. If you are "The Woz," then welcome to AD and enjoy your stay, thanks for your innovation in the field of tech :)
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14. June 2012 @ 18:20 |
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Robertson, you fail, and miserably at that.
Some points for your badly-needed illumination:
- No one cares one iota about your resume. Furthermore, it has nothing to do with the conversation at hand.
- No one (OK, most of us) is/are saying Apples are junk, just that they are overpriced for what you get. This is especially difficult to deny on this case.
- Anything this expensive should not be REGRESSIVE in design.
- Just because you can't/won't/are terrified of maintaining and upgrading your computer, doesn't mean that holds true for other people.
- Getting in pissing matches with site staff is counterproductive, no matter which site it is.
Stop wagging your e-peen about; you're merely embarrassing yourself.
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14. June 2012 @ 19:05 |
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Originally posted by 21Q:
The real deal breaker in my opinion is the fact its not really repairable.
Which is exactly the point of the news and the arguing. :)
"You know, it seems that quotes on the internet are becoming less and less reliable." -Abraham Lincoln.
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14. June 2012 @ 19:21 |
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Originally posted by robertmro:
Originally posted by Ben79:
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Apple does allow you buy a new $3800 laptop any time you want to keep up with relevant technology. Just don't touch their hardware in your laptop, and you will get along fine. It's all part of the "Apple Experience".
Have you ever owned, operated, opened, changed a component, upgraded the RAM, or preformed maintenance on any Mac computers?
I don't think so.
The less these guys know the more they criticize .
I have. Been using, fixing, and maintaining them for years. Most of them are a real pain to work on and contrary to belief Apples do fail. I mean they are made of essentially the same parts as any other PC made by the same companies that make parts for all other computer brands. The least Apple could do is make a 3 year warranty standard on their Pro lines for the price people pay. You have to pay an additional $350 for the extra 2 years which is also ridiculous.
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14. June 2012 @ 19:23 |
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I've had my macbook pro for 2 years now. Not 1 single problem EVER. Didn't buy the stupid applecare because I have the ability to do repairs if I ever need to. Now, these new macbooks do make it incredibly hard to repair, and I really dont like that. Apple has made these machines incredibly durable (which is an assumption) considering they've blocked user repair by design. I think this shows how confident they really are in their products. I will happily trade the ability to make my own repairs for better performance and durability, cause quite frankly I dont have time to fix shit.
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14. June 2012 @ 19:32 |
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I'm going to go buy a PC so I can see what it feels like to fix my own screen and upgrad it since the pice of crap was worthless from the beginning. If I'm lucky I might spend more money on it than a Mac. Keep you're fingers crossed for me guys.
True thug Afterdawn memeber since 05! Shout out to all those old school member still in the ranks of Newbie! Represent!
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14. June 2012 @ 19:47 |
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Originally posted by jrp696:
I've had my macbook pro for 2 years now. Not 1 single problem EVER. Didn't buy the stupid applecare because I have the ability to do repairs if I ever need to. Now, these new macbooks do make it incredibly hard to repair, and I really dont like that. Apple has made these machines incredibly durable (which is an assumption) considering they've blocked user repair by design. I think this shows how confident they really are in their products. I will happily trade the ability to make my own repairs for better performance and durability, cause quite frankly I dont have time to fix shit.
I have yet to see a Mac that has better performance and as far as durability goes Apple does make Quality hardware but their Foxconn Motherboards and other parts are the same as other computers so reliability is about the same IMO. Of course you hear less about Mac breaking because they have less out there being used but even though there are some low end brands of PCs you can still get a high quality computer from an OEM that will last just as long and work just as well as that Mac for less money. I have building, fixing, and managing computers for both PCs and Macs for 20 years and have yet to see any proof that Macs are more reliable by design. I have had Macs come DOA and some that worked flawlessly and the same goes for the PCs I have managed. Open up a iMac or Macbook and you will see the same Intel Processors/Chipsets, the same brand hard drives and GPUs, and the same cheap bulk RAM and other parts you find in any PC. The 13 inch Macbook I have had cheap ass Hynix Ram, a seagate Hard Drive and when I bootcamped it with Windows it had a cheap ass Marvel Network card you would find in any consumer oriented PC. Sure the case was durable but I do not think it would withstand a fall or drop much better than most other PCs. Maybe you should drop yours and find out.
Oh and for the record I had a Dell Notebook that ran fine for 6 years with no issues what so ever. Battery still even worked before I retired it and bought an HP which I have to be honest is built really well. Very solid brushed aluminum case and nice smooth keyboard all with Quad Core/8gb ram and a 15.6" 1080P screen all for $700. The only change I made was I replaced the spindle drive with an SSD because HP wanted way too much for that upgrade from them but even then I would have been around a grand or so. This will probably last me another 4 - 6 years without an issue too.
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14. June 2012 @ 21:47 |
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Let up on the APPLE hate thing for a minute.
A long time ago an old-timer said to me "I remember when I could repair a logic board, but now they're too difficult to find the functions on. When something goes bad you have to replace the whole thing."
People were dumbfounded when Apple dropped the floppy drive. Etc.
There could be a significant shift here.
I would never dream of opening up my iPhone or iPad for any reason.
I did replace the hard drive in my 17" MacBook Pro for a faster drive (72,000 rpm) and will probably replace it with a SSD when the higher capacity ones drop in price. I also upped my RAM to 16GB but you know what, I never even come close to running out of memory and I use programs like MAYA, Nuke and Vue. What I really need is more cores but I also need to be mobile so a workstation is not a consideration.
The express slot is needed for camera storage media.
The only thing left to consider is monitor calibration.
There are some industry initiatives like Aces but I don't know if this retina display is calibrated already. It's possible.
Now to the point. How long will it be until the MacBook Pro has double the cores or more. Why would I want to replace the display myself, I'm too busy working on what really matters to me. And Apple has just moved to SSD for the product line and we all know that hard drives will be obsolete soon.
I have no doubt that as postproduction work moves to 4k the best option will be to use a remote render farm. So I only need to set things up, not render them.
A thin, light weight, fast, closed machine is what I need and Apple suits my needs perfectly.
Dell and HP, if they can manage to compete financially, will probably follow suit eventually.
That is, if my scenario is correct.
If I'm wrong they wouldn't.
Why Apple in the first place?
In 1990 when I first moved to digital postproduction, Adobe products where Mac only.
When I could have changed to PC Adobe wouldn't cross grade me to Windows.
So blame it on Adobe.
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14. June 2012 @ 22:04 |
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Originally posted by robertmro:
Let up on the APPLE hate thing for a minute.
A long time ago an old-timer said to me "I remember when I could repair a logic board, but now they're too difficult to find the functions on. When something goes bad you have to replace the whole thing."
Wow you must be hooked up to an IV of that koolaid. You take an example of repairing a logic board that used to cost thousands of dollars for that one part to logic/motherboards of today which are fairly cheap even if you get into the advanced ones. Not to mention a Logic Board is essentially one part and one function of the PC. So now you defend Apple for basically soldering just about everything to the logic board because they claim is saves more space and makes it more reliable. It has nothing to do with that and everything to do with Apple control. I mean if they are so darned reliable why only the one year warranty standard and the hefty price for the extended?
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14. June 2012 @ 22:17 |
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It is almost impossible to repair a multilayer PC board without destroying it. These days it's replace the thing. It's not 1982 ya know?
Still, it does not give Apple the okay for making it virtually impossible to replace the battery, SSD etc.
Jeff
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14. June 2012 @ 22:48 |
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...Oh, holy God. What about when it's time to replace your CMOS battery (because yes, it damn well DOES have one, being an Intel system now)? Oy vey. That little $5 CR2032 lithium battery is gonna set you back, what, $70 to get Apple to crack the case for you?
Damn straight, you better get that extended service plan ;8>. !
And no, robertmro, I don't hate Apple (or Macs) at all; I've used 'em plenty. But there's only so much "ease-of-use" compensates for the significantly (50%+) inflated costs or Apple's Great White Father approach to their users, I'm afraid.
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14. June 2012 @ 22:58 |
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Originally posted by Jeffrey_P:
It is almost impossible to repair a multilayer PC board without destroying it. These days it's replace the thing. It's not 1982 ya know?
Still, it does not give Apple the okay for making it virtually impossible to replace the battery, SSD etc.
Jeff
And that is my point. It is different when something is so microscopically soldered and connected compared to taking interchangeable components and soldering them to the board so they can never be replaced except by the manufacturer. Plenty of companies have been sued for practices such as this and lost but yet apple gets away with it.
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14. June 2012 @ 23:20 |
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robertmro, they do not make 72,000 rpm drive. hard drives will be around for a long while yet.
Jeffrey_P, i can replace any component on a multi-layer board except for solder ball components like south & north bridge ic's. i was using pinless cpu's made by texas instruments back in 98-99 on sun microsystems enterprise sever boards when intel, amd & via were still putting pins on their cpu's.
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15. June 2012 @ 00:12 |
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God bless all of you.
I'm dumping my Apple stuff in the East River tonight and moving to a deserted island without electricity to write my own operating system on an abacus.
And I thought CNET was a madhouse!
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15. June 2012 @ 00:18 |
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"Jeffrey_P, i can replace any component on a multi-layer board except for solder ball components like south & north bridge ic's. i was using pinless cpu's made by texas instruments back in 98-99 on sun microsystems enterprise sever boards when intel, amd & via were still putting pins on their cpu's."
Yes, they are surface mount which is different. Like you said, you don't have to worry about solder that may penetrate x amount of layers. Amiga's had plug-in chips (headers) in '87. Come to think of it, so did 8088 motherboards.
Jeff
Cars, Guitars & Radiation.
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15. June 2012 @ 00:30 |
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Robertmro, don't be a silly drama queen; you're not very good at it.
No one told you to ditch Apple. Nor that Apples, of themselves, are worthless. But if your e-peen is as directly connected to your real peen as you tend to imply, you're always going to feel *ahem* "threatened". Get used to it, or find a new neurosis ^^' ...
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15. June 2012 @ 03:17 |
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Originally posted by robertmro:
God bless all of you.
I'm dumping my Apple stuff in the East River tonight and moving to a deserted island without electricity to write my own operating system on an abacus.
And I thought CNET was a madhouse!
I am with Bozobub on this. The debate is not about if Apple sucks or is good, it is about the direction there going in with there computer design. Take for example if you got a car and you could not install, upgrade, or fix any part you always had to take it to the dealer and get the inflated price. You want those spinning rims well to bad they don't offer them. That is what the anger is about towards Apple's new direction. There is no reason to do what they did. They are literally forcing people to come back to them instead of letting people have an alternative to fix there computers. This will eventually lead to more waste both in the form of products that end up in a landfill and peoples hard earned money. As many people that buy this MacBook as the computer ages will just toss it instead of paying Apple to fix it when a problem arises. Why pay Apple a few hundred or more to fix an old Macbook when they could put that money towards a newer computer. Most people will think that way and Apple knows it.
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15. June 2012 @ 05:41 |
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Originally posted by jrp696:
(...) Apple has made these machines incredibly durable (which is an assumption) considering they've blocked user repair by design. I think this shows how confident they really are in their products. (...)
OMG, have you even read what you've just typed in yourself?
Originally posted by bobiroc:
I have yet to see a Mac that has better performance and as far as durability goes Apple does make Quality hardware but their Foxconn Motherboards and other parts are the same as other computers so reliability is about the same IMO.
Exactly my point!
"You know, it seems that quotes on the internet are becoming less and less reliable." -Abraham Lincoln.
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