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Mapping The Mobile Landscape: Does Closing Windows Make Sense For Microsoft?
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article published on 5 October, 2012
In the first two installments in this series examining the mobile device market we have looked at Apple and Amazon. This time around we'll be talking about a company who currently only competes in the smartphone market but whose tablets are perhaps the most anticipated product to come along since the original iPad. That company is Microsoft and obviously the tablets are the numerous models ... [ read the full article ]
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Bozobub
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5. October 2012 @ 01:43 |
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I wouldn't touch Windows 8 with someone else's 11-foot pole in the future. Tried it, HATED it, dropped it like a steaming-fresh turd, will never look back.
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5. October 2012 @ 01:50 |
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Originally posted by Bozobub:
I wouldn't touch Windows 8 with someone else's 11-foot pole in the future. Tried it, HATED it, dropped it like a steaming-fresh turd, will never look back.
Yeah that seems about right.
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mukhis
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5. October 2012 @ 03:12 |
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if MS closes the system, IMHO, apple will win the market (at least, initially) since apple has started closing it 1st, and within the limits of a closed system, they have won a significant number of customers since they became more reliable than MS with 3rd parties. MS has dominance because of the open system, if they close it, i don't know how long they will take to get what apple is now.
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molsen
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5. October 2012 @ 07:01 |
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I see it as an attempt by MS to capture some of Apple's luster. Problem is Apple has been the underdog for the most part, and MS is seen as "the man". For too long MS has been open, like Android.
MS needs to redefine it's self. However, Win 8 platform is not it. I have not tried it, but it looks to me a polished version on 7. I am not interested. More importantly how is the OS going to work for the occasional user? Those are the ones that will either make or break Win 8. Not enthusiasts. Sorry but sheeple will use what is easy. Apple figured that out a while back.
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Frogfart
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5. October 2012 @ 09:33 |
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It's a mega steaming turd and I dropped it too. It will be the most loathed OS that MS will ever release. I can never see it being taken up by the corporate market and those home users who do buy it will wonder why there is an awful smell of crap coming from their PC. However, I might buy a boxed copy and sell it in 20 yrs as the rarest and most expensive version of windows.
Yes! buy it as a possible future antique and not as an operating system.
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5. October 2012 @ 11:21 |
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Originally posted by ROMaster2:
Originally posted by Bozobub:
I wouldn't touch Windows 8 with someone else's 11-foot pole in the future. Tried it, HATED it, dropped it like a steaming-fresh turd, will never look back.
Yeah that seems about right.
I can't agree more. On one side is see exactly why m1cr0s0ft is trying this, co$t wise a single OS for either the PC or mobile/tables makes sense. But that said it bears out and proves one saying i really like... "When you try to be everything for everyone... You quickly become nothing for all."
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drhanaba
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5. October 2012 @ 11:21 |
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Originally posted by Frogfart:
It's a mega steaming turd and I dropped it too. It will be the most loathed OS that MS will ever release. I can never see it being taken up by the corporate market and those home users who do buy it will wonder why there is an awful smell of crap coming from their PC. However, I might buy a boxed copy and sell it in 20 yrs as the rarest and most expensive version of windows.
Yes! buy it as a possible future antique and not as an operating system.
Yeah! You are going to buy a boxed copy for antique sake to show that it's the most expensive failure of an OS. Lot's of luck with that! The boxed price for windows users is $39.95, a price on par with IOS and the cheapest Microsoft version ever!! People who do not use Windows should be careful about commenting on things they do not know????
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SomeBozo
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5. October 2012 @ 11:26 |
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Originally posted by drhanaba:
Originally posted by Frogfart:
It's a mega steaming turd and I dropped it too. It will be the most loathed OS that MS will ever release. I can never see it being taken up by the corporate market and those home users who do buy it will wonder why there is an awful smell of crap coming from their PC. However, I might buy a boxed copy and sell it in 20 yrs as the rarest and most expensive version of windows.
Yes! buy it as a possible future antique and not as an operating system.
Yeah! You are going to buy a boxed copy for antique sake to show that it's the most expensive failure of an OS. Lot's of luck with that! The boxed price for windows users is $39.95, a price on par with IOS and the cheapest Microsoft version ever!! People who do not use Windows should be careful about commenting on things they do not know????
Your most certainly right, the cheapest OS by m1c0s0ft ever, and as they say: "You get what you pay for." As for Windows i've used it since Win 1.0 :)
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5. October 2012 @ 12:22 |
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It's dumb for MS to change their Desktop model to tablet crap but smart to make a tablet/phone OS. They are new to that market so there will be learning curves and they won't have all of the apps at first either as NO ONE does when they start out. It would be impossible to catch up with a competitor that has been in the business for almost ten years when you are just starting out. They do have an advantage that they have ignored and that is the business sector. If they can streamline their mobile OS to the business line and keep compatibly with real products they will rebound.
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SoTired
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5. October 2012 @ 12:27 |
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These comments remind me of what people were saying when XP came out. http://lateblt.tripod.com/whyxpbad.htm
The challenge that OS engineers face today is that a computer is no longer just a desktop or a laptop. People want to use their tablets and phones as full-fledged computers too. And Apple isn't giving us that. The problem is that you don't interface with your phone the same way you interface with your tablet, or the same way you interface with your PC. So either you have a different OS for every device (a la Apple or some combination of Windows/Android) or you develop an OS that works on all platforms, although inherently requires some compromises to do so because of the different ways we interact with the different devices.
I am using Windows 8 on my PC, and the UI definitely is a big change that requires some getting used to. With that said, within a couple months, I'll have a tablet (and sometime after that, a phone) that all use the same OS. That creates opportunities and conveniences that will more than make up for the fact that the UI makes compromises in order to work across all of those platforms.
Under the hood, Windows 8 is rock solid. Much cleaner than Windows 7, which was already a very solid OS. And as tablets roll out, Windows 8 provides a huge improvement over Android and Apple OS offerings.
Change is hard. Which is why some of the pre-release comments about Windows 8 look just as harsh as some of the comments people were making about XP when it came out.
We'll see how many Windows 8 tablets sell over the holiday season. If it's as big a success there as I suspect it will be, then people will get used to the OS on their tablets and shortly thereafter will migrate on their PCs as well.
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mukhis
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5. October 2012 @ 12:59 |
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Originally posted by SoTired:
People want to use their tablets and phones as full-fledged computers too.
+1
well, i may not wanna do everything in a tablet/phone what i do in my computer; however, what is seen (read) in the computer should be seen in the tab/phone! and here, current tabs/phones fail. everything is like mobile version including office apps. i simply dislike it. i may not have the full editing capability (which is understood given that it is a mobile device) but come on! lemme READ.
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5. October 2012 @ 13:58 |
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"whose tablets are perhaps the most anticipated product to come along since the original iPad"
Might we call that a bit of hyperbole.
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5. October 2012 @ 14:28 |
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It shows how the dumb follow, (sheep)! Why would you buy a tablet when you can get a full powered notebook/netbook for the same price, or even less if you're comparing Crapple.
It is just that mind-set why i-Crap is so popular. Anyone looking for a Pet Rock? If so I'll find a real nice one and gift wrap it for you at an exaggerated price of course. LOL
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5. October 2012 @ 15:20 |
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Personally I have not used Windows 8 but I have read up on it a bit. I am not a fan of the metro UI but I think over all the OS has some good improvements. (task manager for one example)
I am also a fan of combining the OS to make the tablets/phone and computer work better together. Though it looks like to me it still needs a lot of work to fully realize this goal.
The reason I am still scared is the closed ecosystem that they are using on there phone/tablets and how close they could be to making that same closed ecosystem on the computer. If tomorrow they announced that other companies/developers could make competing windows stores that could work with there phones and tablets I would per-order windows 8.
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5. October 2012 @ 19:34 |
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Originally posted by mukhis:
if MS closes the system, IMHO, apple will win the market (at least, initially) since apple has started closing it 1st, and within the limits of a closed system, they have won a significant number of customers since they became more reliable than MS with 3rd parties. MS has dominance because of the open system, if they close it, i don't know how long they will take to get what apple is now.
Actually, Android is closing in on first, Apple is losing ground fast. If Microsoft wants to copy Apple, they will probably see the same results...but without the initial landslide.
Originally posted by molsen:
I see it as an attempt by MS to capture some of Apple's luster. Problem is Apple has been the underdog for the most part, and MS is seen as "the man". For too long MS has been open, like Android.
MS needs to redefine it's self. However, Win 8 platform is not it. I have not tried it, but it looks to me a polished version on 7. I am not interested. More importantly how is the OS going to work for the occasional user? Those are the ones that will either make or break Win 8. Not enthusiasts. Sorry but sheeple will use what is easy. Apple figured that out a while back.
First, Apple has been "The Man" for a long time now...it isn't the 1990's anymore. Microsoft gives their money to charity and Apple spends their money on lawyers...what one sounds like a hippie and what one sounds like "the man"? Second, Windows 8 is not a polished Windows 7...Windows 7 SP1 is a polished Windows 7. Windows 8 is a mud-covered, rusted-out 1975 tercel that just got hit by a semi truck. Third, sheeple will use whatever everyone else is using because that is the whole definition of sheeple...they use Apple now, but Apple is losing ground to Android fast (anyway, for what the average person does, Android is actually easier because functional maps are built right in).
Originally posted by Frogfart:
It's a mega steaming turd and I dropped it too. It will be the most loathed OS that MS will ever release. I can never see it being taken up by the corporate market and those home users who do buy it will wonder why there is an awful smell of crap coming from their PC. However, I might buy a boxed copy and sell it in 20 yrs as the rarest and most expensive version of windows.
Yes! buy it as a possible future antique and not as an operating system.
I hate it myself, but c'mon...Vista was still far worse. Also, the rarest version of Windows was that crap that bill's GF made back in the early 1990's...no one bought that.
Originally posted by SoTired:
So either you have a different OS for every device (a la Apple or some combination of Windows/Android) or you develop an OS that works on all platforms, although inherently requires some compromises to do so because of the different ways we interact with the different devices.
I am using Windows 8 on my PC, and the UI definitely is a big change that requires some getting used to. With that said, within a couple months, I'll have a tablet (and sometime after that, a phone) that all use the same OS. That creates opportunities and conveniences that will more than make up for the fact that the UI makes compromises in order to work across all of those platforms.
Under the hood, Windows 8 is rock solid. Much cleaner than Windows 7, which was already a very solid OS. And as tablets roll out, Windows 8 provides a huge improvement over Android and Apple OS offerings.
Change is hard. Which is why some of the pre-release comments about Windows 8 look just as harsh as some of the comments people were making about XP when it came out.
We'll see how many Windows 8 tablets sell over the holiday season. If it's as big a success there as I suspect it will be, then people will get used to the OS on their tablets and shortly thereafter will migrate on their PCs as well.
The big issue in this article as far as I can tell is that the two versions of Windows 8 are not the same...there is an ARM version that is essentially a phone OS, and there is the x86/x64 version that is essentially Windows 7 with a phone OS gui. Yes, there will be tablets that have the x86 version, but there were tablets with Windows 2000, XP, Vista, and 7...they all failed (to be fair, they were never pushed very hard and were very expensive).
IF existing apps such as Photoshop, Autodesk, etc somehow actually work with the ARM version, then that would be wonderful, and would guarantee dominance of many corporate markets...but it looks like even if they did work in theory, Microsoft won't let them work because the ARM version is tied to an App store, and those developers are not going to give Microsoft a big chunk of their hugely inflated prices. These apps will probably work with the x86/x64 tablets, but at that point you might as well just have a laptop with a touchscreen...corporate types like their keyboards, that's why RIM still hangs on.
Originally posted by Mr-Movies:
It shows how the dumb follow, (sheep)! Why would you buy a tablet when you can get a full powered notebook/netbook for the same price, or even less if you're comparing Crapple.
Laptops are not trendy anymore. A good pair of jeans is $20...a crummy pair of jeans with holes at the knees is $100. People pay for trendy, and they get what they pay for.
Originally posted by lamain:
The reason I am still scared is the closed ecosystem that they are using on there phone/tablets and how close they could be to making that same closed ecosystem on the computer. If tomorrow they announced that other companies/developers could make competing windows stores that could work with there phones and tablets I would per-order windows 8.
The reason I dislike the closed ecosystem is that it is only for companies. They block everyone else from installing their own software unless they have an expensive developer license. I know these will get jailbroken and everything, but still, they are trying to prevent independent developers from working with their platform...and they seem to forget that all the big players were once independents (even Microsoft). If they agreed to let Valve keep have their crummy market, it wouldn't make me want Windows 8 one little bit more. Then there is the big picture...what happens when new programmers can't test or distribute their software? Sounds like a recipe for disaster in the long-term.
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5. October 2012 @ 22:44 |
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I can't wait for Windows 8 :) It's going to be a truly amazing experience to be able to merge mobile computing with desktop computing ... for businesses this is going to re-define the way things are done (which is why so many businesses buy iPads, but realise they are crap for business and stop using them!).
Those haters out there who say "I've used Win8 ... it's crap ... i'll never use it again" ... you must be Crapple fans ... do you have an iPhone? iPod? iPad? Are you afraid of change? :) Win8 is an awesome change ... and if the first version isn't massively successful, I'm sure things will definitely improve in the future ... I'm actually very excited about the future of computing ... Win8 may be the best thing to hit the world of IT since hyperlinks were invented? :)
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5. October 2012 @ 23:49 |
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Originally posted by Frogfart:
It's a mega steaming turd and I dropped it too. It will be the most loathed OS that MS will ever release. I can never see it being taken up by the corporate market and those home users who do buy it will wonder why there is an awful smell of crap coming from their PC. However, I might buy a boxed copy and sell it in 20 yrs as the rarest and most expensive version of windows.
Yes! buy it as a possible future antique and not as an operating system.
What are the major drawbacks so far?
This is superman
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mukhis
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6. October 2012 @ 00:26 |
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Originally posted by KillerBug:
IF existing apps such as Photoshop, Autodesk, etc somehow actually work with the ARM version, then that would be wonderful, and would guarantee dominance of many corporate markets...but it looks like even if they did work in theory, Microsoft won't let them work because the ARM version is tied to an App store, and those developers are not going to give Microsoft a big chunk of their hugely inflated prices. These apps will probably work with the x86/x64 tablets, but at that point you might as well just have a laptop with a touchscreen...corporate types like their keyboards, that's why RIM still hangs on.
i am afraid although x86/x64 tablets will be able to run legacy apps but just fail like they did before because using a full OS in mobile device has always been a disaster (low battery life, superhot device, freeze, etc). ARM version is going to have all the issues you have mentioned, so...
well, buying a laptop with touchscreen does not make sense to me at all unless the screen is detachable and can be used as tablet by itself. it seems very funny and weird to me that someone is using touchscreen in a laptop (or desktop). therefore, laptop with non-detachable touchscreen cannot be alternative to tablet.
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6. October 2012 @ 00:39 |
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So why do most people buy bluetooth keyboards for their tablets? Seems pretty dumb. Once again you're better off with a notebook and no reason you shouldn't have a touch screen in it too, just adds more functionality. Touch screens have been apart of PC's since before you were born, most probably, they just now have become more popular.
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Frogfart
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6. October 2012 @ 06:35 |
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Originally posted by adre02:
Originally posted by Frogfart:
It's a mega steaming turd and I dropped it too. It will be the most loathed OS that MS will ever release. I can never see it being taken up by the corporate market and those home users who do buy it will wonder why there is an awful smell of crap coming from their PC. However, I might buy a boxed copy and sell it in 20 yrs as the rarest and most expensive version of windows.
Yes! buy it as a possible future antique and not as an operating system.
What are the major drawbacks so far?
It's F******* Schizophrenic!
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6. October 2012 @ 07:26 |
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Originally posted by h0g1e:
I can't wait for Windows 8 :) It's going to be a truly amazing experience to be able to merge mobile computing with desktop computing ... for businesses this is going to re-define the way things are done (which is why so many businesses buy iPads, but realise they are crap for business and stop using them!).
Those haters out there who say "I've used Win8 ... it's crap ... i'll never use it again" ... you must be Crapple fans ... do you have an iPhone? iPod? iPad? Are you afraid of change? :) Win8 is an awesome change ... and if the first version isn't massively successful, I'm sure things will definitely improve in the future ... I'm actually very excited about the future of computing ... Win8 may be the best thing to hit the world of IT since hyperlinks were invented? :)
Do you work on the Windows 8 development team?
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6. October 2012 @ 08:50 |
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Originally posted by h0g1e:
I can't wait for Windows 8 :) It's going to be a truly amazing experience to be able to merge mobile computing with desktop computing ... for businesses this is going to re-define the way things are done (which is why so many businesses buy iPads, but realise they are crap for business and stop using them!).
Those haters out there who say "I've used Win8 ... it's crap ... i'll never use it again" ... you must be Crapple fans ... do you have an iPhone? iPod? iPad? Are you afraid of change? :) Win8 is an awesome change ... and if the first version isn't massively successful, I'm sure things will definitely improve in the future ... I'm actually very excited about the future of computing ... Win8 may be the best thing to hit the world of IT since hyperlinks were invented? :)
Not liking Win8 (and Vista, and ME before it) doesn't imply that I like Apple's products, it implies I dislike crap products. Nor does it imply that I'm "afraid of change"; your logic is deeply flawed. Nor do I own a single Apple product.
There are a few main reasons (as I've said on this forum before) I heartily dislike Windows 8, after trying the x86/x64 version:
- Metro. I simply dislike the Metro interface, especially on a non-touchscreen device. Using Metro with a KB/mouse is painfully inefficient, and furthermore, I don't have a PC to run phone-style apps. That's why I have a smartphone, which also happens to integrate with my PC as much as I need it to already.
- Bad integration of Metro with the (supposedly unneeded) desktop, which it dumps you to regularly. As someone noted above, it comes across as "schizophrenic". It's an obvious kluge, and comes across as the bastard child of Microsoft B.O.B. and Windows 7.
- Complete paradigm shift in developer workflow. Many small/indie developers simply won't be able to afford the significant investment required to learn and implement the new, required development tools (and the bigger houses don't like it much, either). This is a large part of why so many devs have been quite public in their scorn for Win8, in fact.
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Originally posted by SoTired:
These comments remind me of what people were saying when XP came out.
And they remind me of when Me and Vista came out. So what is your point? You sound like that guy years ago that said Me was the best OS every.
See how easy is to make your point with references to older post that were not even facts at the time they were posted. :-)
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6. October 2012 @ 15:10 |
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And they remind me of when Me and Vista came out. So what is your point? You sound like that guy years ago that said Me was the best OS every.
See how easy is to make your point with references to older post that were not even facts at the time they were posted. :-)
Huh? I don't think you understood my point.
My point is that people whine whenever a new OS comes out, because they don't like change. Whether people are whining are release is not an indicator of whether the OS will or will not succeed. You have to give it time to see whether people will like it once they start to adapt.
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Originally posted by SoTired:
And they remind me of when Me and Vista came out. So what is your point? You sound like that guy years ago that said Me was the best OS every.
See how easy is to make your point with references to older post that were not even facts at the time they were posted. :-)
Huh? I don't think you understood my point.
My point is that people whine whenever a new OS comes out, because they don't like change. Whether people are whining are release is not an indicator of whether the OS will or will not succeed. You have to give it time to see whether people will like it once they start to adapt.
I love change and I love inovation but I hate shite! Windows 8 is the worst OS I have ever tried to use, nobody in my family wants to use it. We have removed it from our main PC and peace and harmony has returned.
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