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karen2003
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18. July 2004 @ 08:51 |
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You wrote in the 12:33 post that was edited at 12:39, "Look at the log and note the average and max read speed for the process." Not sure what you mean by this (as in, where can I find the log?)? The max read rate I've ever seen in Shrink was today when I noticed it got up to just under 13,000kb/s. That was, as I mentioned earlier, on a short DVD, and that was with the DVD itself in my new DVD-ROM drive (so Shrink was ripping/encoding directly from the DVD-ROM drive). Usually with larger DVDs on which I have Shrink do the deep analysis, the analyzing speed is in the 2,000-3,000kb/s range and the encoding speed is in the 3,000-4,000kb/s range (I have no idea why the encoding speed is usually faster). Again, that's for large DVDs. Maybe Shrink rips smaller DVDs at a much faster rate? I have no idea.
BTW the new DVD-ROM drive does seem to rip at faster speeds than my Sony DVD burner -- at least with the burner I had never noticed times as fast as 13,000kb/s. Seems like the fastest I'd noticed before was just over 10,000kb/s. Of course I don't always notice.
Karen H.--Dell Optiplex GX240, P4 1.50ghz, 256mb RAM (yeah, I need more), Windows XP Pro w/SP1, 80gb c: drive (replaced the 20gb c: that crashed), 126gb i: drive, 124gb j: drive, 500gb external hard drive partitioned into k: and l: drives, Sony DDU1621/C1 DVD-ROM to rip/encode, Sony DRX-530UL to burn, new Sony DRX-840U to burn DL discs ... need a new computer to go with it!!
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18. July 2004 @ 09:44 |
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just curious, what are the specs. on your sony ddu1621/c1 dvd-rom. igg
just read
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karen2003
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18. July 2004 @ 09:49 |
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I bought it on ebay for $57 which included the external enclosure (so I all I had to do when I got it was plug it into a USB socket) -- here's the info I got on ebay: "Sony 16X DVD-ROM Specification. An internal IDE drive the DDU1621/C1 installs easily in any standard full-size drive bay. Sustained transfer rate 21 632 KB/sec for DVD-ROM. 512KB buffer memory. Newly developed Sony Advanced Spindle mechanism stabilizes the drive ensuring synchronized even reading of imperfect discs. Media Accepted CD-ROM CD-R CD-RW Single and Dual Layer DVD. Burst Data Transfer Rates 1)Ultra DMA - 33.3MB/sec; 2)DMA mode 2 - 16.7MB/sec; PIO mode 4 16.7MB/sec. Package Includes audio cable ATAPI cable manual and mounting screws." Again, that's for the drive; they also had specs on the enclosure but you didn't ask about that. :-)
Karen H.--Dell Optiplex GX240, P4 1.50ghz, 256mb RAM (yeah, I need more), Windows XP Pro w/SP1, 80gb c: drive (replaced the 20gb c: that crashed), 126gb i: drive, 124gb j: drive, 500gb external hard drive partitioned into k: and l: drives, Sony DDU1621/C1 DVD-ROM to rip/encode, Sony DRX-530UL to burn, new Sony DRX-840U to burn DL discs ... need a new computer to go with it!!
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18. July 2004 @ 09:59 |
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Just thought I'd throw my 2 cents in.
My typical speeds for ripping a DVD-9 disc with Shrink is about 12 to 18 minutes. I think LOTR ROTK took about 15 minutes, movie only. My burn time at 6X-8X is about 8 minutes. I can usually do the whole process in about 30 minutes or so.
I was taking about 20 to 25 minutes to rip until I changed my ROM from a Sony DDU 1612 to a Lite-on 166S. I'm using a 2.53 Ghz P4 with a gig of RAM and two hard drives, a 120 and a 200. I did not change anything else.
I set up Decrypter and Shrink on a friend's 2.8 P4 Dell and his rip times are even faster, about 10 to 15 minutes for a DVD-9, also using a Lite-on 166S ROM. He has 512MB ROM and a 120 GB HDD.
I would always recommend doing what you can to free up system resources. Experience will tell you what you can and cannot do while the process is running.
Shrink has a "low priority" mode if you feel a need to do other things while the program is encoding.
Karen, your speeds are typical of what my experience has been, 5 to 10 minutes for a DVD-5 and 10 to 20 minutes for a DVD-9.Quote:
it is the 5 to 10 min rip and encode that I find impossible unless you are useing a preripped file with a very short feature. Do you want me to get ddlooping, who works closely in the development of DVD Shrink and writes guides for it, to come to this thread and say you can't do a normally encrypted disc in the times you stated.
I don't see why you got your panties in a twist over these times, just because you can't get them. Some of us can.
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karen2003
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18. July 2004 @ 10:17 |
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Thanks, Fasfrank. I knew I'd read others' times on these forums that were better than mine, so I didn't even think mine were that exceptional. So seriously, thanks for the reality check!! I was beginning to get MY panties in a twist!! :-)
Karen H.--Dell Optiplex GX240, P4 1.50ghz, 256mb RAM (yeah, I need more), Windows XP Pro w/SP1, 80gb c: drive (replaced the 20gb c: that crashed), 126gb i: drive, 124gb j: drive, 500gb external hard drive partitioned into k: and l: drives, Sony DDU1621/C1 DVD-ROM to rip/encode, Sony DRX-530UL to burn, new Sony DRX-840U to burn DL discs ... need a new computer to go with it!!
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18. July 2004 @ 10:50 |
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My DVD Reader rips a type 5 in fewer than 6 minutes and I burn it in less than 8 minutes using 4X at 8X on my Plextor PX-712A. I hear a lot of people saying how unwise it is to burn at those speeds but I've tested several using PI/PO tests and so far I've had zero PO errors and those are the ones you don?t want. When I start getting errors then perhaps I'll back the speed down.
Type 9 DVDs vary a lot in their rip speeds. Disks that are easy to read can be ripped in 8 to 12 minutes but those that are difficult to read could take in excess of 15 minutes. My type 5 rip speeds are often above 11X +. Yesterday I ripped with speeds of up to 12.4X.
Karen
I don't used DVD Shrink for any movie that falls below 25% to 30% because even with Deep analysis the picture quality is compromised. For large films a transcoder is simply not going to make it. Something had to be compromised somewhere for the movie to have been reduced by that much. For the large type 9 DVDs, I use DVDrebuilder/CCE basic, CCE is an actual encoder and the DVD is essentially rebuilt from scratch.
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18. July 2004 @ 11:09 |
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Karen2003,
When I first read this thread I thought your times were off ... So I did a DVD-5, movie was 4GB's. Straight from original dvd, shrink took 7 min ... and burning with Decrypter took just under 13 min. So indeed you can achieve the times you say.
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And since you mention load, Shrink will not use Disc to pick up an ISO file unless it is loaded in an emulator.
Brobear,
You can load an ISO in Shrink without an emulator. Open Shrink, click file, and select Open disc image.
@Karen2003,
I only thing I would suggest is to not mention running any other programs while doing any part of the dvd backup process. Not everybody has the same system, and someone with a lesser pc might think they can do the same. :)
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18. July 2004 @ 11:09 |
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The speed at which DVD Shrink processes the files is dependent on a few factors:
- How much compression, if any, is applied.
none in this case
- The processor speed.
1.5GHz
- The amount of RAM.
256MB
- The speed of the drive the original files are read from.
16X
Panties are for panty weights and the ladies, neither of which I am. So you guys make your own decisions and read the whole boring thread. I could care less about this point. Everybody want to brag on how fast their PC is go ahead. Just look at the numbers and be realistic.
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18. July 2004 @ 11:11 |
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Flip if you notice later, I gave the process for using Shrink to send an ISO to the HD and using Decrypter to burn. That was only one option, I mentioned the other.
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18. July 2004 @ 11:12 |
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Just wanted to lighten things up a bit. Some folks come down a bit hard on others, sometimes the truth hurts (I know!) Brobear works pretty hard here at AD and on occasion may rub people the wrong way. Thats just the way he does things. A lot of the best folks here do that. It is tough to take when your original intention was to just help someone out. It actually helps you because you get mad, you go out and arm yourself with all the facts you can, learning in the process.
In this instance, I felt that after reading your original reply that it was correct. The times you stated were in line with my experience. I was a bit surprised that brobear thought these were so unreasonable that he thought your were posting a "load" and was going to get ddlooping to back up his contentions.
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forkndave
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18. July 2004 @ 11:19 |
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I can't help it, I have to get in on this one too. My rip and burn times are very similar to Sophocles' times. I have hacked firmware in my 167T to allow ripping of DVD5 & DVDR at up to 16X. Watching the speed in DVD Decrypter I can see that it gets up tp 14X or so sometimes. DVD9 takes a few minutes longer. I never use deep analysis. If the compression is very high I sometimes use DVD2one because it seems to be a little faster than Shrink. I have a 55" wide screen TV, and I can tell a slight difference if the movie has been shrunk 50%, but it still looks acceptable to me and better than the picture that I get from cable. I never watch TV with a magnifying glass, so I don't care what the picture looks like blown up. I also don't ever see pixelation unless I had a bad burn (poor disc). The thing is that I am trying to enjoy a movie and I don't study every fine detail while I'm watching it. If something was very obvious, then I would see it. I've noticed that a lot of DVD5 movies I've seen (factory made) don't always have a lot of quality. My 50% shrunk ones look better than those. I generally make movie only, and my compression levels usually don't run more than 20-25% (75-80%). I can't tell any difference at all with those. It's all in the eye of the beholder. Some people are more picky than otherrs.
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18. July 2004 @ 11:20 |
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brobear,
I did notice ... but your quote implied that Shrink can load an ISO image(that's how I read it), which in fact it can(a ripped iso). Anyhow, we all calm now?? :)
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18. July 2004 @ 11:23 |
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fasfrank
Well stated and I guessing that all of this is probably just a series of misunderstandings.
brobear can be cantankerous but that's a part of who he is and its also how we became friends.
Now let's all hug and kiss. Hmm! maybe we'll just hug.
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18. July 2004 @ 11:27 |
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Hmm!
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karen2003
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18. July 2004 @ 11:30 |
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Oh, man. Brobear wrote, "Now we all are supposed to believe this unit [my computer] can run with the high tech equipment used by Sophocles. Possible but not likely." OK, this is just silly. Brobear, do you seriously think I am making up times because I want everyone to think I have a great PC system? Why on earth would I do that?? I am not in some macho-bullshit-how-big-is-my-penis contest. (In fact, I have no penis at all.) Magicman7 asked me a simple question, I answered him with info from my spreadsheet without even realizing my times were that good. You came on and said "no way" did I get those times. Now several others others have said they get times comparable to mine. I don't know why my computer gets through the discs (esp. DVD-5s) fast.
I did the math, my new DVD-ROM drive has ripped at up to 13,000kb/s (that's the time I noticed earlier today). If it goes that rate start-to-finish, it would finish a 4,000mb DVD in 308 seconds or 5 minutes, 8 seconds. Since it doesn't rip at 13,000kb/s the entire time -- I assume it's a bit slower at the start, but haven't sat at my computer watching -- then 6 or 7 or 8 minutes is more realistic.
Regarding the "number of errors made," don't know what you're referring to there. Brobear, cut it out please. I haven't done anything to deserve your wrath.
Fasfrank, you're right, some can be a bit abrasive. I CAN accept criticism, and I CAN accept help -- I've gotten a ton of it here. But when I innocently answer someone's question about my system, and then someone insists on telling me I'm wrong several times, well, that's another thing.
I think it's time for me to go play with my cats. Thanks to all who posted their times.
Karen H.--Dell Optiplex GX240, P4 1.50ghz, 256mb RAM (yeah, I need more), Windows XP Pro w/SP1, 80gb c: drive (replaced the 20gb c: that crashed), 126gb i: drive, 124gb j: drive, 500gb external hard drive partitioned into k: and l: drives, Sony DDU1621/C1 DVD-ROM to rip/encode, Sony DRX-530UL to burn, new Sony DRX-840U to burn DL discs ... need a new computer to go with it!!
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karen2003
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18. July 2004 @ 11:32 |
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p.s. OK, hugs and kisses to all. Now I'm off to play with Mabel and Satay, who love me no matter what.
Karen H.--Dell Optiplex GX240, P4 1.50ghz, 256mb RAM (yeah, I need more), Windows XP Pro w/SP1, 80gb c: drive (replaced the 20gb c: that crashed), 126gb i: drive, 124gb j: drive, 500gb external hard drive partitioned into k: and l: drives, Sony DDU1621/C1 DVD-ROM to rip/encode, Sony DRX-530UL to burn, new Sony DRX-840U to burn DL discs ... need a new computer to go with it!!
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brobear
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18. July 2004 @ 13:09 |
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All I said was that the situation was incorrect and needed clarifying. The ISO method has 2 solutions as I stated. And times are not going to be as fast with a slower processor. My times are not off by a few minutes from Karen2003's. I can get different speeds according to whether I run the 12X or 16X ROM. With the 16X I can process a 5GB DVD-9 in 20 min. Movie only at 4GB will encode in 9 min. So I have nothing to be envious of. The point being I have twice the processor speed, I can see a slower drive coming close or matching but not being that much faster.
Maybe Karen was more interested in what I edited instead of what I said. I started to say drop a load and edited that to some of the things you hear. That set this lady off. Anyone wanting to disagree with what I said feel free to do so. But just read the whole thing. The argument about time was superficial. Read the part I addressed to Magicman7 and you will note I gave him a clear concise statement about methods and 'how to' along with a few pointers. The rest is a waste of time with me saying Karen shouldn't suggest, even if she points out she didn't know something.
The time issue, as I conceded could be close. Just not overwhelming. She went from speeds of 30,000 KB/s down to 3000. One minute she's using Decrypter and then she only used it to look at files. Like Shrink doesn't have those in reauthor. She kept me confused and I could have been doing something more worthwhile. I don't have a cat, so I'll just have a brew.
BTW, I only mentioned the name of the developers because I could get access to them and find out info. The speeds of up to 10,000 KB/s for DVD-5 and for DVD-9 up to about 8000KB/s are the norm and average speeds are less. I got the variables of effects from the developers, they did not nor did I ask them to get involved. Now how many of you knew the variables that effects the speed of encoding with Shrink?
I know, some of you have faster machines and higher speeds are attainable. I'm just saying on average.
I am no longer being confused, so...
Everyone be happy and have a good evening.
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18. July 2004 @ 13:12 |
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BTW, I believe Sophocles explained the situation with compression much better than I could.
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18. July 2004 @ 13:14 |
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so I'll just have a brew.
Brobear,
I'll have one with you!! :)
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18. July 2004 @ 13:21 |
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Hell let's all have a brew.
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18. July 2004 @ 13:26 |
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OK, I agree.
BTW I've never used Shrink in Re-author so I didn't know you could find out disc capacity in that instead of using Decrypter to check. So thanks for that info anyway. And I've never had speeds of 30,000kb/s, nor did I say I did. Don't want to drag this out any further, so Brobear, please email me privately if you want to tell me how you got that figure, I'm really curious.
Karen H.--Dell Optiplex GX240, P4 1.50ghz, 256mb RAM (yeah, I need more), Windows XP Pro w/SP1, 80gb c: drive (replaced the 20gb c: that crashed), 126gb i: drive, 124gb j: drive, 500gb external hard drive partitioned into k: and l: drives, Sony DDU1621/C1 DVD-ROM to rip/encode, Sony DRX-530UL to burn, new Sony DRX-840U to burn DL discs ... need a new computer to go with it!!
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18. July 2004 @ 14:28 |
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No need for a PM, I'm man enough to admit publicly that I made an error in reading your info. As I said, much to do over nothing. Reading different files at different compressions on different drives gives different speeds. The speed part was trivial. It was the overall situation that bothered me. Compression, ISO files, and the speed interpretations and references to Decrypter. It was just difficult to keep track of.
If I offended you with the part about dropping a load; note that I also thought that was a little much and it was edited before you had a chance to say anything, or anyone likely to see it. You brought it up after the edit.
With Shrink still in full disc, you can select no compression. That will also show the full size of the files. With this setting you can also rip the full contents of the disc to the hard drive. Good for using editing programs or analyzing files. Same as ripping with DVD Decrypter. I think you get the picture.
In Re Author, you have the separate files listed and the file for movie only. With no compression you can see the actual size of each file. If you edit to below the target size, then there is no need to change the compression setting. However if it stays above, change the setting back to automatic or go to custom. Make sure you are within the limit and no red showing on the indicator bar. Normally you see it as all green. With no compression and custom it will sometimes go into the red depending on the settings. It's all in the guide.
I forgot to tell you, in re author you can highlight a file and view it on the viewer. Also if you right click the viewer you can go to full screen. Double click the mouse and it returns to small. A good option if you haven't used it before.
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18. July 2004 @ 15:00 |
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I admitted I was wrong on something, does that call for a brew for celebration?
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18. July 2004 @ 15:01 |
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Cheers!! Brobear :)
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18. July 2004 @ 15:12 |
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Hey Flip
Or should I say Sir Flip. How long have you had the Senior status?
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