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Report: PS4 more powerful than next Xbox but with less RAM
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The following comments relate to this news article:
article published on 18 January, 2013
According to a new report citing unnamed developers, the PS4 will be significantly more powerful for raw computing than the upcoming Xbox 8/Next/720/Durango.
The devs say they were briefed at CES on the final hardware specs of the consoles, which are widely expected to launch this holiday season.
On the other end, the Xbox will have 8GB of RAM, compared to 4GB of system RAM for the PS4.
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25. January 2013 @ 16:55 |
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Originally posted by ddaring:
This makes about as much sense as the old saying that noone will ever need more than 640k of ram.
I'd try to take a look at subsequent replies prior to posting. I commented on the very same remark myself.
Originally posted by ddaring:
The more memory you have the more environment you can display. Sloppy code can obviously eat more memory
That was my initial point.
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however now a days most of the memory goes to displaying more characters, textures, details, and allowing for preload to reduce lag or delay at zone points.
I insist: The PS3 had few memory. The PS4 will have 16x the memory on the PS3. That means 16x the room for all that you mentioned. 4 GB is not excessive, but enough. Not forever, of course, but for some years from now.
Anyway, changing a bit the topic for a while, don't you think that this is likely to become the last gen of consoles, ever?
"You know, it seems that quotes on the internet are becoming less and less reliable." -Abraham Lincoln.
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Interestx
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25. January 2013 @ 17:53 |
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I wonder if the early reports are true.
PS4 to have a lot less but faster RAM than the Xbox 720.
As I always end up with both the standard tedious fanboy witterings (why is is invaraibly Sony fanboys?) don't interest me in the slightest but I am keen to get a look at the specs and how they will translate into concrete offerings when available to us consumers.
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25. January 2013 @ 22:16 |
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I seriously doubt, dali, that this will be the last generation of consoles, but I DO agree, however, that they will change drastically. I believe that systems like the "Ouya" are a strong indicator of the future of console gaming.
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26. January 2013 @ 07:10 |
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Originally posted by Bozobub:
I seriously doubt, dali, that this will be the last generation of consoles, but I DO agree, however, that they will change drastically. I believe that systems like the "Ouya" are a strong indicator of the future of console gaming.
Yes, I ought have said "consoles as we know them". I agree with you on this.
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28. January 2013 @ 12:28 |
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Originally posted by scorpNZ:
"The PS4′s RAM bandwidth is rumoured to be 192 GB/s, whilst the 720′s 64 GB/s...."
Speed trumps size here.
EDIT: Yes, I have an OUYA ordered.
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28. January 2013 @ 13:37 |
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Originally posted by Jemborg:
Originally posted by scorpNZ:
"The PS4′s RAM bandwidth is rumoured to be 192 GB/s, whilst the 720′s 64 GB/s...."
Speed trumps size here.
Nope, it's not as simple as that (once above a certain level).
The Xbox 720 will have plenty of speed/size.
The PS4 will (if these reports are true) will start out that way but may suffer the smaller amount of RAM later in its life-cycle.
Both (like the current Xbox 360/PS3) ought to look very good at games all the way through to their replacement.
The larger amount of Xbox 720 RAM may well count well in its favour in relation to other activities.
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28. January 2013 @ 16:58 |
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Frankly, the new XBox has fast enough RAM to run any current game, as well as many conceivable future games, and enough of it to run the giant open worlds that gamers want. While the PS4's RAM may be faster, you simply cannot cram as much information into it.
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29. January 2013 @ 01:13 |
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Originally posted by Interestx:
Originally posted by Jemborg:
Originally posted by scorpNZ:
"The PS4′s RAM bandwidth is rumoured to be 192 GB/s, whilst the 720′s 64 GB/s...."
Speed trumps size here.
The Xbox 720 will have plenty of speed/size.
Yeah it will I'm sure.
But it IS that simple and that certain level, as determined by Sony, is 4gig size not 64 GB/s speed. In terms of high-end gaming faster RAM is better. It just is. It always has been. It's what's needed for effects and the magic word "anti-aliasing".
(We're assuming here the PS4 can actually exploit that speed.)
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The larger amount of Xbox 720 RAM may well count well in its favour in relation to other activities.
Like what... video editing?
Originally posted by Bozobub:
Frankly, the new XBox has fast enough RAM to run any current game, as well as many conceivable future games, and enough of it to run the giant open worlds that gamers want. While the PS4's RAM may be faster, you simply cannot cram as much information into it.
The PS4 will use a combination of already well established optical and hdd contiguous loading techniques to seamlessly establish those giant open worlds as they (including the X360) do already.
I've been trying to think of something that more RAM would really be needed for in console terms and I dunno even voxel rendering may not need that much anymore... maybe.
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29. January 2013 @ 06:52 |
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These latest posts summarize what I was trying to say: The amount of RAM, and speed as well, will be enough for a certain period of time (in the beginning, much more than enough, given the specs of current consoles). When it's not, it will be time for a replacement, like it has always been. That's their life cycle. Trash the old one, buy the new one. Their makers are businesses, and they want to keep on selling.
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29. January 2013 @ 11:18 |
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The one thing I have seen which does not bode well for PS4 v Xbox 720 is that (if reports are true) it will have a GPU one generation behind that of the Xbox 720.
The faster RAM may well disguise this but personally (particularly given the much wider non-gaming activities both will be going after strongly) I think the larger amount of RAM will count well for Xbox and in gaming the 1 gen on GPU will too.
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30. January 2013 @ 04:18 |
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Originally posted by Interestx:
The one thing I have seen which does not bode well for PS4 v Xbox 720 is that (if reports are true) it will have a GPU one generation behind that of the Xbox 720.
Again! Tsk.
What are the CPUs??
What "non-gaming activities" do you imagine?
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30. January 2013 @ 11:26 |
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Jemborg
From what I've read the CPUs are much the same.
The differences appear to be in RAM & GPUs.
All this assuming what is being talked about is accurate of course....and given how cheap RAM is and given the news Sony want to use GDDR5 it might turn out MS decide to match this spec, whether they go for the same amount or not would remain to be seen.
Both consoles look remarkably similar to me - again with the proviso that the details being spoken about remain true.
Sony as a Corp is in poor health at the moment so it wouldn't surpise me 'off the shelf' stuff is where they are going, whether it really is high spec we'll have to wait and see.
The non-gaming stuff remains open (it'll be interesting to see how each go - assuming Sony do - with things like gesture control for ones' a/v kit) but with multi-tasking I expect more to beat or be indistinguishable by any real world practical measurefrom 'faster' (given that the 'more' is hardly slow itself).
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30. January 2013 @ 23:59 |
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I thought Sony would be going for another generation of cell processor.
Its a lot easier being righteous than right.
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