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Thurrott: Upcoming Xbox to cost $299 with subscription, $499 without, other details revealed
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article published on 26 April, 2013
The usually reliable Paul Thurrott has reported on the upcoming Xbox successor.
Microsoft confirmed yesterday the console will be unveiled on May 21st at an event on their campus.
Thurrott says the system will be released in early November and will cost $299 with subscription or $499 without. The "subscription" cost is $10 per month for two years and will require an Xbox Live Gold subscription.
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KSib
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26. April 2013 @ 00:59 |
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Internet-connected. The next Xbox must be Internet-connected to use. This is the source of the "always on"/"always online" rumors and isn't as Draconian as many seem to believe.
They need to expand upon this. There's:
A) Always-connected as in if there isn't internet activity for 10 minutes then your game is paused until there is one. This is what everyone is losing their minds about.
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B) Always-connected as in if you power down your machine it will still continue to be able to recieve messages, stream content from it to other machines and download and apply patches, but it can be disconnected at any time and still function to play games from a disc.
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26. April 2013 @ 01:43 |
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Internet-connected. The next Xbox must be Internet-connected to use. This is the source of the "always on"/"always online" rumors and isn't as Draconian as many seem to believe.
Why???
PS: Looks like this rumour wasn't "debunked" after all Andre.
PPS: I wonder if that guy will get his job back.
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Justoneguy
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26. April 2013 @ 06:13 |
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So it won't be functional without an internet connection? No Sale.
I guess I'll be looking at the playstation 4, for my next console.
You really have to wonder what MS is thinking.
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26. April 2013 @ 08:06 |
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$500 (or $300 + $240 = $540 for subscription model), Always on DRM (essentially), New Chip so no Backwards compatibility = No Sale. I will just stop buying games for my Xbox 360 and invest $300 or so into a decent graphics card for my QuadCore HTPC and that can run games at 1080p on my TV with my wireless controller and I do not have to worry about all that.
If the 720 is gonna be $500 I would suspect that the PS4 would be too since they are essentially using the same chip.
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26. April 2013 @ 08:12 |
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New Chip so no Backwards compatibility
I don't know why people are fussing about this. Who's forcing you to sell your xbox360? You can just keep both, just like in the old days of NES, SNES, nintendo64.
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26. April 2013 @ 08:23 |
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Originally posted by guy8689:
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New Chip so no Backwards compatibility
I don't know why people are fussing about this. Who's forcing you to sell your xbox360? You can just keep both, just like in the old days of NES, SNES, nintendo64.
No one but how many consoles and devices do you want connected to your TV?? Most TVs only have a few HDMI inputs and there is only so much room to put things in that area. So it may not matter to you but apparently it matters to many others.
With my SNES I had a cartridge adapter to play my NES and Gameboy games on. True I could not do that with the N64 but history shows more consoles were compatible in some way with at least the generation before it. For the cost of the new XBOX or PS4 I can get a graphics card for my HTPC and still have money left over and not worry about having to flip between all these devices as much. Thankfully I really do not play the MS or Sony exclusives.
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26. April 2013 @ 08:59 |
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Great, so my internet goes down foe whatever reason and bam! no gaming for you. Stupid idea. Good Luck Microsoft.
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26. April 2013 @ 10:08 |
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What does "...isn't as Draconian" mean?
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26. April 2013 @ 10:12 |
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The "subscription" cost is $10 per month for two years and will require an Xbox Live Gold subscription.
Wait a minute... am I the only one who reads this as having to pay a $10 subscription PLUS you have to pay for your LIVE gold?
This $10 sub sounds more like a rental-to-own fee. You can obtain the console for $299 down and make payments of $10 a month for 2 years to pay it off.
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I will just stop buying games for my Xbox 360 and invest $300 or so into a decent graphics card
... and it's a shame more console gamers don't see that option staring them in the face.
Most of them argue that they would game on the pc if they wanted to, but they prefer their console because it's more convenient.
So, how's this "convenience" paying off for these console fanatics?
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26. April 2013 @ 10:28 |
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Originally posted by bhetrick:
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The "subscription" cost is $10 per month for two years and will require an Xbox Live Gold subscription.
Wait a minute... am I the only one who reads this as having to pay a $10 subscription PLUS you have to pay for your LIVE gold?
This $10 sub sounds more like a rental-to-own fee. You can obtain the console for $299 down and make payments of $10 a month for 2 years to pay it off.
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I will just stop buying games for my Xbox 360 and invest $300 or so into a decent graphics card
... and it's a shame more console gamers don't see that option staring them in the face.
Most of them argue that they would game on the pc if they wanted to, but they prefer their console because it's more convenient.
So, how's this "convenience" paying off for these console fanatics?
No I noticed that too. The $299 with subscription means you will end up paying $540 for the console on top of XBOX live. It is just a way to make consumers think the console is more affordable when in reality they will be paying more.
I didn't mind paying for XBL as I usually got it for like $35-$40 a year but these consoles from Microsoft and Sony are really losing their appeal.
I once thought the same about convenience but now thanks to technology like HDMI connecting a PC to a large TV is way more convenient and I will take my QuadCore/8GB RAM HTPC and throw in a nice mid/high graphics card in the $300 price range and call it a day. I already have a wireless controller for PC so I am mostly set.
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26. April 2013 @ 10:51 |
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Blu-ray. The next Xbox will include a Blu-ray optical drive.
Better take real good care of the games now, don't see being able to back them up so soon.
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26. April 2013 @ 10:53 |
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Originally posted by Jemborg:
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Internet-connected. The next Xbox must be Internet-connected to use. This is the source of the "always on"/"always online" rumors and isn't as Draconian as many seem to believe.
Why???
PS: Looks like this rumour wasn't "debunked" after all Andre.
PPS: I wonder if that guy will get his job back.
The rumor wasn't debunked he was just fired for shooting his mouth off and insulting their customer base.
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26. April 2013 @ 11:06 |
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Originally posted by bobiroc:
...I will take my QuadCore/8GB RAM HTPC and throw in a nice mid/high graphics card in the $300 price range...
So whatta ya gonna get, AMD/ATI or nVidia card?
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26. April 2013 @ 13:38 |
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And thus marks the beginning of the end of the console gaming market...
That cost, coupled with the required fees and the internet requirement make this an absolute no-go for any "new" gamer.
This could have been a very cool media device but instead they are trying to turn it into a money machine.
Well, they won't be getting my money. My PC serves me well. I think I'll stick to it.
Oh, Im sorry... Did the middle of my sentence interrupt the beginning of yours?
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26. April 2013 @ 13:39 |
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Originally posted by bobiroc:
$500 (or $300 + $240 = $540 for subscription model), Always on DRM (essentially), New Chip so no Backwards compatibility = No Sale. I will just stop buying games for my Xbox 360 and invest $300 or so into a decent graphics card for my QuadCore HTPC and that can run games at 1080p on my TV with my wireless controller and I do not have to worry about all that.
If the 720 is gonna be $500 I would suspect that the PS4 would be too since they are essentially using the same chip.
You also forgot you MUST have XBL Gold on a subscription service during the 2 year interim which at its base price of $120 for 2 years which could go up in fees on release of 720.
Not really worth it to me, may be for others but the always-on crap whether its used for DRM or not, is not the way to go. I really hope it bites MS in the arse this time. My 360 had a great run: 200 game library 5+ years. Looks like I'll put it away since I can't see MS supporting 360 for too long after the 720 launches.
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26. April 2013 @ 17:55 |
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I for one am going to wait until May 21st before I make any rash decisions as so far everything is speculation until its official. Relax guys...
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8686
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26. April 2013 @ 18:27 |
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My pc is looking better and better
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Mysttic
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26. April 2013 @ 20:46 |
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I for one am going to wait until May 21st before I make any rash decisions as so far everything is speculation until its official. Relax guys...
Just because some of us make the choice to not buy something doesn't mean we aren't relaxed...
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26. April 2013 @ 20:48 |
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For all thew carping & moaning I bet it all ends up much the same as this time around, lots of people end up with their PC but buy the Xbox & PS...and maybe more than a few will have to have the Ouya too.
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26. April 2013 @ 21:02 |
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I guess I'm in the minority since I don't think their hire/buy deal is that bad. It's only 8% extra over 2years. And many would automatically get a gold sub anyway. I think it's actually pretty clever of MS.
The "always on" internet kills it for me.
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26. April 2013 @ 21:25 |
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Let's also remember that it has been rumored/predicted that the games for the new Xbox will START at $70-$75.
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Mysttic
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27. April 2013 @ 00:34 |
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I guess I'm in the minority since I don't think their hire/buy deal is that bad. It's only 8% extra over 2years. And many would automatically get a gold sub anyway. I think it's actually pretty clever of MS
Minority or no; you are right, their price scheme is clever; in May, we'll know then just how restrictive always-on is. But good intentions or bad, Microsoft still alienated quite a bit of people. Especially those in rural areas with nothing better than dial-up *which yes, still do exist*.
Also if the game you buy retail still requires an always-on connected net access: well... Yea that's still not going to sit too well with a lot of consumers no matter how pretty their defense is.
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27. April 2013 @ 05:13 |
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Originally posted by Mysttic:
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I guess I'm in the minority since I don't think their hire/buy deal is that bad. It's only 8% extra over 2years. And many would automatically get a gold sub anyway. I think it's actually pretty clever of MS
Minority or no; you are right, their price scheme is clever; in May, we'll know then just how restrictive always-on is. But good intentions or bad, Microsoft still alienated quite a bit of people. Especially those in rural areas with nothing better than dial-up *which yes, still do exist*.
Also if the game you buy retail still requires an always-on connected net access: well... Yea that's still not going to sit too well with a lot of consumers no matter how pretty their defense is.
I said I didn't like the always-on part...
Having to have a gold sub with dial-up would suck balls.
Its a lot easier being righteous than right.
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Interestx
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27. April 2013 @ 07:41 |
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Originally posted by Blalock77:
Let's also remember that it has been rumored/predicted that the games for the new Xbox will START at $70-$75.
Yeah maybe but they usually end up saying every new gen's games will come with a heafty price-tag....from all the console types.
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27. April 2013 @ 08:57 |
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I guess if they do this "always-on" they have a way of turning off nextboxes if you don't pay your hire/buy "subcription" as you have to join. Maybe that's how they plan to justify "always-on" DRM.... tricky!
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