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Microsoft finally reveals how Internet connectivity will work on Xbox One, and used game policy
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article published on 6 June, 2013
After extreme backlash and outcry over their purported anti-consumer Xbox One, Microsoft has finally come clean, unveiling the official policies for Kinect, used games and online connectivity.
Internet Connectivity
In regards to Internet connectivity, rumored had it that the Xbox One would use "always-on" DRM, meaning an Internet connection is required at all times to play a game, ... [ read the full article ]
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6. June 2013 @ 21:38 |
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A little better but still not great IMO...
You know companies like EA will do whatever they can to block or charge fees for used games.
I see no mention of Kinect being required and what it will do when it is on even if you do not want to use it.
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GryphB
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6. June 2013 @ 21:41 |
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I'll still refuse to buy one of these.
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6. June 2013 @ 21:44 |
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Too many restrictions for me. I stood behind Xbox and Microsoft for a long time. But if I buy a game, its mine to do with what I please. I will show my support for Xbox one by keeping my money in my pocket.
I'm not just blowing smoke either, I should be able to buy and play games and never have an internet connection.
Let's see how sales do, hope they're bad enough for Microsoft to change their policy on this.
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PraisesToAllah
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6. June 2013 @ 21:44 |
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This is still absurd. Yes I "always" have a live internet connection but the principles matter. What is the point of this extra scrutiny? To combat privacy? Pirates will still find a way no matter how many holes Microsoft patches up.
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6. June 2013 @ 21:45 |
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Originally posted by GryphB:
I'll still refuse to buy one of these.
Me too I think... The PS4 looks better to me but if I am going to have to go to a new platform I will just expand my PC gaming where I do not have to worry about older games not working and games are usually cheaper and easier to get. I do not need all their functions so I can watch TV on my XBOX while I am watching TV on my TV.
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ddp
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6. June 2013 @ 22:29 |
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not every parts of the world has cable\dsl internet connections as some still have dial-up.
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Tazer247
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6. June 2013 @ 22:51 |
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I wonder how the shared library works with those 10 family members...
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gman1275
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6. June 2013 @ 23:30 |
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I will not take part in owning any system where I can't sell my games for a "fair" price. I buy plenty of games and usually don't get rid of them until they are pretty much worthless. If sony comes with the same type of terms then count me out on that too. These restrictions take away any rights that the consumer may have had. If that is what they want to do I say fine because I am sure me and others like me can live without their systems or games. Question is going to be can they live without us buying their wares?
I am sure I will get my gaming fix without Sony or Microsoft. If things don't change I am done and my thousands of dollars of purchases in the coming years are gone too. Good luck Microsoft and Sony. Just saying if they lose most of the people that spend a lot of their money on their gaming toys like me they are in trouble!
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7. June 2013 @ 00:20 |
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The only way I'll buy this console is if someone cracks it wide open ala the Wii. Only then will it be worth the hassle. This is coming from MS fan. Very anti consumer, this console and not for me!
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Justoneguy
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7. June 2013 @ 01:20 |
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"You read that right. Microsoft will not charge, but publishers are allowed to block used game sales. Publishers don't make a penny off of used game sales, so it is clear that used games will likely be blocked on the Xbox. "
Oh I see now, it will be the game developers fault for blocking used games. I guess they think people won't blame them for having this ridiculous restriction built in to their new box.
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7. June 2013 @ 01:32 |
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Originally posted by bobiroc:
You know companies like EA will do whatever they can to block or charge fees for used games.
And yet EA just dropped their online pass system for used games.
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buddyleem
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7. June 2013 @ 02:03 |
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Do u all work for GameStop? They give u shit for used games and sell them back to people 5 bucks less. I like this . F used games . More for publishers is good in my book. They made the product.. And who the hell wants to buy games at a store anyways . Download it for donkeys sake
Hack a bit, invest a bit, work a bit, jerk a bit
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Mysttic
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7. June 2013 @ 02:43 |
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I see no mention of Kinect being required and what it will do when it is on even if you do not want to use it.
This article is actually more in depth than written here on AD. Gameinformer had the most information regarding MS stance on XboxOne, and they mentioned Kinect Always-On. There are different level of privacy settings for Kinect, including as far as keeping it turned off from a software level. Even still, then why have us waist power to the kinect portion of the unit if you can have it blocked in the settings? Still lame, but it's better than nothing.
http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/arch...y-concerns.aspx
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DK1979
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7. June 2013 @ 03:02 |
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Originally posted by buddyleem:
Do u all work for GameStop? They give u shit for used games and sell them back to people 5 bucks less. I like this . F used games . More for publishers is good in my book. They made the product.. And who the hell wants to buy games at a store anyways . Download it for donkeys sake
People buy used games cause brand new games are wayyyyyyyy to expensive. Personally i'm lucky if i have enough money to buy even 1 new game a month so i choose not to buy them brand new unless it's something i simply "HAVE" to have right awway and thats not alot.
I'm not a fan of new Xbox, not really that big fan of 360 either, i'll take playstation any day of the week and hope they are not as clueless as ms when it comes to 4.
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death-s
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7. June 2013 @ 05:07 |
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Originally posted by DK1979:
People buy used games cause brand new games are wayyyyyyyy to expensive. Personally i'm lucky if i have enough money to buy even 1 new game a month so i choose not to buy them brand new unless it's something i simply "HAVE" to have right awway and thats not alot.
I'm not a fan of new Xbox, not really that big fan of 360 either, i'll take playstation any day of the week and hope they are not as clueless as ms when it comes to 4.
Ah, that's why I love steam and PC gaming. Cheap new games every week. Can't beat that.
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Justoneguy
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7. June 2013 @ 05:57 |
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Originally posted by buddyleem:
Do u all work for GameStop? They give u shit for used games and sell them back to people 5 bucks less. I like this . F used games . More for publishers is good in my book. They made the product.. And who the hell wants to buy games at a store anyways . Download it for donkeys sake
Maybe when you sell your car, you'd like to give the car company an additional cut as well. I mean they built and designed the car, they should be entitled to an additional cut after you own it and decide to sell it right? The price they charge for the new game is supposed to cover the cost of development and marketing.
We'll have to see how the whole loaning to your friends and family turns out, but remember the game developer has control of that now. It's not just about used games from gamestop but loaning/trading games you've BOUGHT and should own. This type of DRM can take away ownership, making it just rented media that you pay full retail price for.
People as ignorant as yourself probably don't understand the difference between owning and renting so I won't waste anymore of my time.
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7. June 2013 @ 08:49 |
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ok so M$ has a leash so tight I only have 24 hours before checking in with them? here are my thoughts:
- Kinect detects motion, blood flow in dark and sound & has to be ALWAYS plugged in
- The Xbox needs internet connection to "Check in" every 24 Hours
- Allot of cloud storage talk..
whether it be M$, NSA, or Marketing research, the "Eyes" In my household is pushing it "WAY" too far, no way in hell would I ever put a device like this in my living room!
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Red_Forman
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7. June 2013 @ 09:49 |
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Originally posted by buddyleem:
Do u all work for GameStop? They give u shit for used games and sell them back to people 5 bucks less. I like this . F used games . More for publishers is good in my book. They made the product.. And who the hell wants to buy games at a store anyways . Download it for donkeys sake
I have no words to describe how tired I am from anti-consumer, and pro-corporate statements like yours.
I'll stick my foot up your ass.
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7. June 2013 @ 10:23 |
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Originally posted by buddyleem:
Do u all work for GameStop? They give u shit for used games and sell them back to people 5 bucks less. I like this . F used games . More for publishers is good in my book. They made the product.. And who the hell wants to buy games at a store anyways . Download it for donkeys sake
Gamestop.... is that really your basis for saying "F used games"?
So you've never heard of Ebay? Never heard of Craiglist? You've never had a friend/relative/co-worker looking to sell a game they're done with?
Gamestop is not the sole outlet for used games. It's generally the last resort.
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More for publishers is good in my book.
I'm sorry but that comment does nothing but assert your ignorance in regards to the current condition for today's developers. If anyone should see the money, it's the developers, not the publishers.
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That being said, the pubs and devs already got paid for that piece of plastic (meaning the disc). Why exactly should they get paid again? It's not as if used games are putting a strain on their servers. Their servers do not support "x" amount of gamers... they support "x" amount of games. So one person selling his disc to another is no different than that one person just keeping it and playing. Either way, it's still just one game (disc) which their server is dealing with.
1 person buys 1 new game = 1 person on their server
1 person buys 1 used game = 1 person on their server, not 2 people.
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7. June 2013 @ 15:00 |
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This is such BS.
If you buy a car at a dealership, the dealership makes money and so does the car manufacture (not directly of course)... BUT if you later plan to sell that same car the dealership or car manufacture should not receive any profits.
This should be the same for the Xbox ONE games. You purchased the game, it's yours. If you plan to sell the game, you should be able to and the person who bought the game should be able to play it without being any restrictions. They shouldn't be an issue that the developers don't make additional money on used game, they already received payment once the game was original sold, you can't keep making more money.
I now hate the new Xbox ONE so much, that I can't wait to get the new Sony Playstation 4. I've always loved the Xbox consoles and had both gens, but I will not get the next gen Xbox ONE console with so many restrictions.
I feel like they are being a big brother saying that I have to be online once after 24 hours use, that is even more BS. Might as well just force the DRM 100%. What is the point of what they are proposing... oh I know, they want us to 'Baby Step' to this idea so when they do force it 100% DRM then we will have some idiots that say... "Oh well, it's like what we almost have now so it shouldn't be a big deal, come on guys 100% DRM is not a bid idea anymore".
Xbox ONE restrictions suck and so will the new VHS looking console. It's almost like they are purposely trying to FAIL.
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7. June 2013 @ 15:01 |
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yeah bhetrick, totally agreed. Granted, this will put a damper for the used game retailers, sorry for the luck, but so many other options to purchase a used game, at a more decent price. And if now the decision is up to the publishers of the games for blocking, you can probably bet it's going to happen, sad but true.
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7. June 2013 @ 16:13 |
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People keep using the word "buy" to describe what happens when you obtain a game. That's nice shorthand, but it oversimplifies what is really a much more complex economic arrangement -- far more complicated than obtaining tangible property like a car.
When you obtain a new car, it's easy to set up an arrangement in which you either do or do not get the right to sell it used when you are done with it, depending on whether you are willing to pay a premium for that right. Specifically, you can either:
(a) "Purchase" the car, in which case you get (and pay a premium for) the ability to do whatever you want with it when you are done, including selling it; or
(b) "Lease" the car, in which case you do not get the ability to sell it used when you are done, but you pay a lower price for that arrangement.
In the software business, this is more complicated, because you don't really "own" anything tangible but a physical disc, which has very little value on its own. The real value is in the intangible license that you also purchase in order to use the software on the disc. (Games are just one kind of software.) Re-selling intellectual property such as a software license is a much more complicated legal and economic subject than physical property.
Publishers have used a couple of different models to address that complicated issue. For PCs, we used to see publishers sell you a CD or DVD with the game on it, and no real restrictions. You could use it, then sell it, loan it to a friend, install it on several PCs, or whatever. Then publishers started attaching DRM on PC games. Now, most PC users willingly accept the restrictions on Steam, which doesn't even pretend to give you anything but a non-transferrable license to play the game under your specific UserName. So today, most PC games are non-transferrable. There may be some exceptions, but (a) it is up to the publisher, and (b) most publishers make the PC games non-transferrable.
Consoles have, to date, taken a different approach than PCs. Until now, you have been able to sell the game, so you've had much more liberty with your console games than you have had with your PC games. Now, it seems, the X-Box is going in the same direction that PCs have gone for many years: The publisher can decide whether to let you re-sell the game. We'll see whether Sony does the same thing, but it seems unlikely they would take a approach different than the rest of the industry has already done.
There is a small silver lining to all of this. Economics works. The cost of leasing a new car that you cannot re-sell is lower than the cost of purchasing a new car that you can re-sell. It is lower because economics require it to be lower: Demand for non-resellable cars is lower than demand for resellable cars.
The same is true for intellectual property. The cost to purchase a new game is, over time, necessarily going to be lower if the publishers don't allow resale than the price would be if they do allow resale. Whether publishers like it or not, many people will not pay the same price for a game with resale restrictions. As the posts in this thread demonstrate, many people simply won't pay the same high prices if they can't re-sell their games. Which, in economic terms, means "lower demand." If demand is lower, price will necessarily follow.
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doowop72
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7. June 2013 @ 17:11 |
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Well, SoTired, you've stated a nice detailed economics course class there, but what's your thoughts and opinions about it?
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baxter00
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7. June 2013 @ 17:57 |
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If Sony follows in MS's footsteps, they're morons. If Sony is smart (I know that's saying a lot), they'll let MS keep their restrictions and not have any of their own. Plan being, more Sony consoles just might be sold, simply because it's not "always on", "always watching", and "always checking in".
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SuikoNiNjitZu
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7. June 2013 @ 18:25 |
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i Will Not Buy any DRM Restricted Crap!
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